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AAkasha -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 10:52:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha OR -- is a better analogy that this info is not just sitting there, and really, what crumpets is doing is looking at the return address, looking up the info in the phone book, then driving to the house and just making sure the person walking inside is the right gender -- but never actually approaching or harming them? (Creepy nonetheless). I don't generally read the profiles of the people responding here, so I don't know anything about them other than what they say in the thread, but, I did something "creepy" just now, and I looked at your profile. Read it through and through. Every single word. How creepy is that! It took about a minute or three, but not much more than that. In the next fifteen or twenty seconds, I even stalked your public web site that you and Miss Blue run, skimming, for example, your "Good Girls Guide to Domination", and the like. (Note: I read faster than anyone you have ever met in your life! Always have. They recognized this in school and had me on machines, literally, where words flashed in front of the screen faster, and faster, and faster, since they had a program for gifted readers way back in my fifth or sixth-grade days.) Most of what you wrote on the free portion of your site left me 'breathless' (as opposed to "speechless"), just as your 16-year-old was in the VW way back when. it's nice that you're a woman who both loves technology and who takes advantage of it, in addition to enjoying a plethora of sex toys, garments, and accoutrements, some of which you personally and gleefully buy for others, out of the goodness of your own sensually sexual soul. If I may, I must say you left out the second half of the story of what you did with whom you called "Daniel" and "Alexia", by the way. Very naughty of you, although I did enjoy the specific line "wait - hold on - I am not quite done with you", the idea of which sensuously permeates all your texts quite beautifully. Anyway, as a result of stalking your stuff, I paraphrased a few sentences from your profile that I especially enjoyed, in a hesitatingly trembling way, in my journal, about ten minutes ago, before I read this post (attributing your text as not my own but as a paraphrase of an unnamed other - which happens to be you - the current object of my attention for a few minutes - but readers of my journal wouldn't know that). Only you would recognize your own ideas, adapted for my personality and paraphrased in my journal. Now, how creepy is that? I'd say pretty creepy, right! Just wait 'till I finish stalking all your enticingly written Femdom erotica! And, what appears to be your facebook page (albeit, it's empty, and it might not be yours as I didn't geolocate an email address). Well. this all makes me uneasy. What next, you geolocate my location and share with all? For someone noting that you are extremely intelligent, why not do the OBVIOUS "right thing" and actually attribute what you posted on your journal to me? For more than 20 years I have been posting on the web. You also sort of hinting that you can tell a lot when you read all my content. Most of my content is behind a pay wall (it was all free for more than 10 years) - I have written more than 750 stories to date. About half of what I write I fictionalize to throw off stalkers. My car make, my age, my friends. The only thing authentic is lust. Despite your keen reading ability, I bet you could not come close to developing a profile of who I am and what I am like, including my relationships with my partners and friends. I think you over estimate yourself. Whatever you do, if you do this, email it to the address on my sigline, do not post it. That's really unethical. Akasha

LadyConstanze -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 11:18:11 AM)
I keep thinking about the play The Physicists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Physicists Basically the moral of it is that because something is doable it doesn't mean it is the right thing and how ethic are certain "discoveries"... In some odd way, I don't think the OP gets that "because he can do it" or "because it's there" doesn't make others uncomfy. There are a few tries to rationalize why, but it doesn't seem to touch the substance of WHY it makes people uncomfy.

crumpets -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 12:16:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze I don't think the OP gets that "because he can do it" or "because it's there" doesn't make others uncomfy. There are a few tries to rationalize why, but it doesn't seem to touch the substance of WHY it makes people uncomfy. Um... maybe you need to re-read what I wrote? Do you see the way it was written? (Hint: Look up "irony") It was clearly a facetious play on words - providing an example that simply reading a profile was, by your logic, similar to what you expressed as your idea of "stalking". I was trying to show you, in a satirical way, how ridiculous your idea of stalking was. The fact that you actually (apparently?) DID consider it creepy stalking, is what surprised me. I wasn't being serious. It was clearly irony, by way of a tongue-in-cheek derisory example. The sad thing is that I didn't start out to prove that you women make absolutely no (logical) sense, but your reaction to my clearly tongue-in-cheek look at AAkasha's profile scares me. On the one hand, you deplore than men don't read your profile. Yet, on the other hand, you deplore when they do. Unless your post above was also facetious, then I would have to conclude that you took the fact that I simply read the profile, and you blew that wholly out of proportion. I intended on showing how disproportionate your thoughts were compared to the actions taken. I just didn't expect you to actually think it was stalking to just read the profile! It was just an example to show you how ridiculous your thinking process is. Sheeesh. Now you scare me. I hope people like you are not in positions of power on our courts and in the government. quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha Well. this all makes me uneasy. What next, you geolocate my location and share with all? Awww. C'mon. Let's be serious here. You need to re-read what I wrote and HOW I wrote it in that post. You guys are nuts if you call that tongue-in-cheek satire of my five-minute look at your profile "stalking". I wrote that entire post, specifically using those words facetiously to show that your thinking is totally out of whack with logic. The fact is that I skimmed in seconds each of your writings, which, by the way YOU put on the web (and which you make money off of, I don't know how much, but when I tried to skim more, it asked me to "join", and explained why). You wrote the stories. You (and your friend, Miss Blue) put that stuff out there. So, um, you're subsequently uneasy when someone actually READS your profile? And, since you suggest people visit your web page in your profile, you're then subsequently "uneasy" when someone actually visits your web page? You guys are verifiably nuts in that you make absolutely no (logical) sense whatsoever. I sure hope you're not in any government position of authority, or we're doomed. You're 0% logic and 100% emotion. NOTE to technologists, which you said you were in your web site... I used my home IP address, on purpose, when I visited your web page because I wanted to see if you noticed that, since you could then know a lot about me (much more than I about you, for example), all of which is contained within the well-known abilities of the HTTP protocol if your web site is so designed to capture that information. (HINT: You can narrow the visitor down to the unique browser used, which would transcend IP addresses, for example.) quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha For someone noting that you are extremely intelligent, why not do the OBVIOUS "right thing" and actually attribute what you posted on your journal to me? For more than 20 years I have been posting on the web. OK. Now you're doubly nuts, although you may just be super sensitive, since you purport to make money off that web site. First off, I'd be GLAD to attribute the concept illustrated to you (why wouldn't I? I already said I got the idea from another profile). I just didn't use your name because without your permission, I have absolutely no desire to list your name on my profile. So, if you send me an email, I'll be GLAD to directly attribute the concept to you. Sheesh. Why would I care not to? But, that's not the point anyway, since I didn't "copy" your words; I just understood (and agreed with) the concept you were promoting. Given that I enjoyed the concept, I merely re-wrote the concept into a three-step scenario of my own choosing. Bear in mind, I'm not trying to make money off of it, nor am I even trying to get kudos for the idea. I clearly attributed the idea to an unamed profile, and, I also just as clearly wrote my own story into the words, as you can see for yourself. In essence, I plucked a handful of short 4-word utterances from the wealth of your pages, and then I weaved my own story around those sets of 4-simple words (such as "don't stop" and "make me cum ... again", which didn't duplicate in the least what you wrote, but, which mirrored the concept that you described (i.e., that of the woman who knows what she wants and tells the man curtly what to do "until [she] cums". If you're so worried that my journal entry is gonna kill your revenues, then let me know that by email also, and I'll simply delete it (sheesh). quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha You also sort of hinting that you can tell a lot when you read all my content. Most of my content is behind a pay wall (it was all free for more than 10 years) - I have written more than 750 stories to date. About half of what I write I fictionalize to throw off stalkers. My car make, my age, my friends. The only thing authentic is lust. Ummm... Whooosh. In this case, you proved my point beyond my wildest possible expectations! *My post was clearly intended as a humorous play on the fact that you guys consider ANYTHING* whatsoever, even just visiting a public pay-for-reading profile as STALKING!** quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha Despite your keen reading ability, I bet you could not come close to developing a profile of who I am and what I am like, including my relationships with my partners and friends. I think you over estimate yourself. Whatever you do, if you do this, email it to the address on my sigline, do not post it. That's really unethical. You really need to re-read my post. Look at the words. Look at the way it was written. Given I spent more time writing the post than I did looking up your EXTREMELY PUBLIC web site, which you, yourself, admonish users to visit in your Collarspace profile, I was just jokingly stating that you guys would consider it creepy stalking if someone just simply read your profiles before contacting you and followed your instructions (notice I didn't call you "Mistress", for example). That you actually considered reading your profile, following your instruction, and skimming your public pay-to-read web page creepy stalking is what's crazy. I was simply stating, purely facetiously, by way of example, that you'd probably consider reading your entire profile creepy stalking - and - much to my surprise - you actually did! You guys are verifiably nuts. Actually, in reality, you're not nuts. You're paranoid. You put stuff in a profile and on the web, and then, you get creeped out when someone actually reads it. All emotion. No logic.

LadyConstanze -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 12:44:09 PM)
Whatever you say, ducky. You're the one creating fake profiles, you're the one obsessed with email headers, you're the one who can't have a relationship. As for your "tongue in cheek" stuff, yeah right, do something really freaking creepy and then claim it was just "tongue in cheek" - if you do something that is plainly not funny to anybody but creepy, then you just blame it on anybody else not having a sense of humour. Sorry, but nobody here considers reading a profile creepy, just the whole think about creating profiles and showing off how oh so clever you are, that's pretty creepy. Btw since you bragged so much about how clever you are and how you speed read, well, you know I mentioned I don't have kids ages ago, then you ask again about how I monitor my non-existent kids, that's a bit odd for somebody who thinks he is sooooo intelligent. But seriously, ducky, if you think we are all paranoid, that's fine by me, at least I'm not obsessively checking anything I can check because "it's there" and I hope I'm not sad enough to start flooding CM with fake profiles and camouflage them as experiments. I first thought you're a bit weird and socially inept, this is true but you're also creepy. Have a nice life

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 1:01:30 PM)
LC said most of it very well. What you are passing off as "tongue in cheek", "humourous play", and "satirical" does not fit the average interpretation. Just like your obsessive data mining habit - it is definitely CREEPY, and not normal, even within the realms of BDSM and kink. No wonder you are alone - your social skills are non-existant and your behaviour would scare the living daylights out of "normal" people.

AAkasha -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 1:05:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets First off, I'd be GLAD to attribute the concept illustrated to you (why wouldn't I? I already said I got the idea from another profile). I just didn't use your name because without your permission, I have absolutely no desire to list your name on my profile. So, if you send me an email, I'll be GLAD to directly attribute the concept to you. Sheesh. Why would I care not to? You are nuts if you think I am going to send you a personal email. Odd request, since I asked you here to attribute it, and now you are asking me to EMAIL YOU? No thanks. (why do I get a creepy feeling you will just send me a fake email about something else only to say -- for the sake of experiment - how easy it is to get my headers?)

crumpets -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 1:08:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Whatever you say, ducky. Having never heard the term, the urban dictionary seems to have two definitions of the word, depending on the spelling: ducky === Meaning fine, OK, or allright, as in "Everything is ducky". duckie === British term of endearment for someone who is sweet and innocent that you would like to have your wicked way with. usually used as a greeting as in "Alright duckie, your looking lovely today". quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze You're the one creating fake profiles, you're the one obsessed with email headers, you're the one who can't have a relationship. Um. Er. OK. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze As for your "tongue in cheek" stuff, yeah right, do something really freaking creepy and then claim it was just "tongue in cheek" - if you do something that is plainly not funny to anybody but creepy, then you just blame it on anybody else not having a sense of humour. You really need to re-read what I wrote. I didn't mean to show, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that what you consider stalking is also what you deplore as lack of interest. I was trying to show how illogical your thought process was. That I proved it beyond my wildest expectations, simply scares me. People actually think the way you do. You'll notice I ignored all the legal crap that someone posted in this thread ... but ... I sure hope that people like you never get a hold of power because you'll screw innocent people to the wall just for looking at you funny. All in the name of fear. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Sorry, but nobody here considers reading a profile creepy, just the whole think about creating profiles and showing off how oh so clever you are, that's pretty creepy. My whole point was that reading a profile and looking at email headers ISN'T STALKING! . Now, you finally said (after how many posts?), that you agree with my point. Um, OK duckie. You got my point. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Btw since you bragged so much about how clever you are and how you speed read, well, you know I mentioned I don't have kids ages ago, then you ask again about how I monitor my non-existent kids, that's a bit odd for somebody who thinks he is sooooo intelligent. Um... Where did that come from? Again, you blew an innocent comment wholly out of proportion. First off, I don't know (nor do I care) if ANYONE here has kids or not. I really do not care about your kids or their kids or anyone else's kids. My point was, as I recall, that simply reading email headers is basic due diligence. Just like all parents do with their kids (remember the ad, "It's 10 pm, do you know where your kids are?". It's simply a way to make the point that there is nothing wrong with due diligence. That you took that innocent comment entirely out of proportion scares me. Not physically. I'm not at all worried that you'll track me down (you could - but why would you bother). What scares me is that other people think the way you do. Even that doesn't bother me - unless - as seems to be the case - people who think like you do are actually in the government. Now THAT is what really scares me. But that's a political topic for another day. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze But seriously, ducky, I may be wrong, as I'm not familiar with (Br) English, but, I think you mean "duckie", don't you (in an ironic way, of course)? quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze if you think we are all paranoid, that's fine by me As I said, I didn't set out to show that you're overly paranoid. I just gave an over-the-top example to show how off-the-wall you were. That you took it and ran with it, is what scares me. I hope people like you don't exist in places of power because that would be a bad thing overall for common sense. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze , at least I'm not obsessively checking anything I can check because "it's there" and I hope I'm not sad enough to start flooding CM with fake profiles and camouflage them as experiments. Um,. OK. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze I first thought you're a bit weird and socially inept, this is true but you're also creepy. But, you still called me "duckie", which is a term of endearment! quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Have a nice life Ouch. I think the Japanese have a more apropos term, sayonara.

crumpets -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 1:20:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha You are nuts if you think I am going to send you a personal email. Odd request, since I asked you here to attribute it, and now you are asking me to EMAIL YOU? No thanks. Um. I guess it's natural in a two-dimensional medium to have misunderstandings due to lack of clarity on my part; but all I was saying is that if you want me to list your name, all you have to do is ask. Since you asked, I have just now, listed your profile name. I would never have done that without your permission is my point. quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha (why do I get a creepy feeling you will just send me a fake email about something else only to say -- for the sake of experiment - how easy it is to get my headers?) Again, in the black-and-white medium of text, I clearly didn't explain enough. You don't have my email address. What I meant was my collarspace email. But, now that you've responded here, you don't even need to do that. BTW, since you manage your own public web page, you already have far more information about me than I could ever compile from public sources about you, merely because of the inherent weaknesses in the HTTP protocol (e.g., you could leave cookies on my browser, even the hard-to-delete DOM cookies, or HSTS text cookies, which are IMPOSSIBLE to delete on iSTuff; you could fingerprint my browser such that you could track me throughtout the web; you can certainly geolocate my IP address down to my house; etc.) I'm not at all suggesting that you would do that, nor, more importantly that you'd care to. What I'm saying is that you're blowing this whole thing out of proportion. All I am saying is that looking at an email header and then geolocating the SMTP server's IP address is NOT STALKING. Anyone who thinks it is, doesn't have the slightest clue what stalking really is.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 1:32:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets ...... What scares me is that other people think the way you do. What scares most of us is that YOU think what you do is normal and 'due diligence'. quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze But seriously, ducky, I may be wrong, as I'm not familiar with (Br) English, but, I think you mean "duckie", don't you (in an ironic way, of course)? Ummmmmmm NO!! "Ducky" she said, "Ducky" she meant. The way you twist words and make huge humongous assumptions is just downright creepy. She did NOT say, or mean, 'duckie' - as much as you'd like to think she did. quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze if you think we are all paranoid, that's fine by me As I said, I didn't set out to show that you're overly paranoid. I just gave an over-the-top example to show how off-the-wall you were. Nope. It's you that is 'off-the-wall' with your absurd logic. quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze , at least I'm not obsessively checking anything I can check because "it's there" and I hope I'm not sad enough to start flooding CM with fake profiles and camouflage them as experiments. Um,. OK. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze I first thought you're a bit weird and socially inept, this is true but you're also creepy. But, you still called me "duckie", which is a term of endearment! No, she didn't. quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Have a nice life Ouch. I think the Japanese have a more apropos term, sayonara.

AAkasha -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 1:33:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha You are nuts if you think I am going to send you a personal email. Odd request, since I asked you here to attribute it, and now you are asking me to EMAIL YOU? No thanks. Um. I guess it's natural in a two-dimensional medium to have misunderstandings due to lack of clarity on my part; but all I was saying is that if you want me to list your name, all you have to do is ask. Since you asked, I have just now, listed your profile name. I would never have done that without your permission is my point. quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha (why do I get a creepy feeling you will just send me a fake email about something else only to say -- for the sake of experiment - how easy it is to get my headers?) Again, in the black-and-white medium of text, I clearly didn't explain enough. You don't have my email address. What I meant was my collarspace email. But, now that you've responded here, you don't even need to do that. BTW, since you manage your own public web page, you already have far more information about me than I could ever compile from public sources about you, merely because of the inherent weaknesses in the HTTP protocol (e.g., you could leave cookies on my browser, even the hard-to-delete DOM cookies, or HSTS text cookies, which are IMPOSSIBLE to delete on iSTuff; you could fingerprint my browser such that you could track me throughtout the web; you can certainly geolocate my IP address down to my house; etc.) I'm not at all suggesting that you would do that, nor, more importantly that you'd care to. What I'm saying is that you're blowing this whole thing out of proportion. All I am saying is that looking at an email header and then geolocating the SMTP server's IP address is NOT STALKING. Anyone who thinks it is, doesn't have the slightest clue what stalking really is. How about "It's creepy"? And moreso that you don't take into consideration how it looks to other people. Where is the empathy here? Where is the judgment call? Why are you proud of this? Are you recognizing that women - kinky women, esp. on the web, are really often stalked and always have their guard up? It's not illegal or stalking to stare at a woman for an inappropriate amount of time, maybe you are trying to sum up her likes by her outfit, her shoes, watching how she walks, overhearing her conversation to pick up tidbits -- hey, all harmless, you are just trying to do your research with no intent for harm. But to her, when she notices it, it's creepy. It's creepy, inappropriate behavior. Do you feel you are a good read of the emotional state of women when you chat with them in person? Do you make women uncomfortable? Have you been told, or do you feel, you may be a bit socially awkward? Are you willing to look at this? How many women on here have said that what you indicate you do makes them uneasy? So are we all crazy, or are you crossing a line -- but moreso, do you care? What is more important, you justifying your 'research' or you not freaking out the very women you want to attract? If you are not "doing" anything "inappropriate," it is your passionate justification for your actions (which women say are not cool) that makes you creepy to your peers. What's the next step? If you are willing to defend these behaviors, where do they go? If you are willing to geo-watch your ex on her phone when things are peachy keen, what do you do when you are head over heels for someone and she angers you? Several women on here have stated that your attitude and behavior is concerning. Yet you just defend it and dismiss the feelings of these women. That alone is concerning in itself. Akasha

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 1:47:10 PM)
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LadyConstanze -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 1:50:10 PM)
To the OP, you simply don't get it, do you (DUCKY) I absolutely do NOT agree with checking every email header, I said SOMETIMES there can be a good reason to check it, if a lot of money and professional reputation is at stake, that counts as a good reason, you being paranoid and creepy is not a good reason, the technical term would be compulsive obsessive, get treatment, a mental health professional is obliged to feel some sympathy for your condition, I'm not one, I'm just disgusted by it. Basically all you are saying is that for all your famed speed reading you don't retain what you read and you can't comprehend (computer says no...) it anyway, and you fabricate weird shit that people consider that we equate your compulsive obsessive behaviour with reading profiles.... Let me give you an example what it equates to, a guy masturbating over a pretty girl he saw somewhere, pretty normal, the guy going up to her and telling and the world about it - CREEPY and socially inept. Look, I gave you the benefit of the doubt for ages, you removed all doubt. Seriously, if I would think I need a profile as a guy (and before you suggest I might be a guy, several people from here have met me in person, and before you fabricate more fiction, by meeting I mean exactly that, meeting, having a drink or a meal, talking, no orgies or such, you know just stuff normal people do if they meet), I would think something is seriously wrong with me. Unless I'm living in a cyber reality, why would I want to present myself as anybody else than who I am? It would mean I could never ever meet with anybody IRL I talked to online because it would be just too weird to explain a different gender, looking different and all that and I quite enjoy normal social contact, maybe you try it sometime.

LadyConstanze -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 1:54:15 PM)
PS: The Chinese have a perfectly adequate saying, how about Sayonara try "May you live in interesting times"

Kreychec -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 2:48:57 PM)
Crump, you have a neat skill-set and a pragmatic mind. Look into affiliate marketing / media engineering. Right up your alley and lucrative af.

crumpets -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 2:59:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 What scares most of us is that YOU think what you do is normal and 'due diligence'. That's a fair enough retort. It's obvious here that there is a difference of opinion. Some feel that looking at email headers & geolocating IP address is bordering on "creepy" stalking. While at least "I" feel that's it's simply due diligence. I'm outnumbered for sure, which should give me cause for reflection. quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 She did NOT say, or mean, 'duckie' - as much as you'd like to think she did. I laughed when I read that. It should be very clear, from the way it was used, that, even though the (Br) English definition pointed to a term of endearment, she certainly didn't use it that way. My comments to that effect were meant to be a play on the word. You know. Humor.

crumpets -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 3:10:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha How about "It's creepy"? It's pretty clear that most of the respondents (well, all) seem to think it's creepy to look at an email header and then to geolocate where that header came from. Without any other contrarian views, I guess I'll have to accept that as the general consensus. People think it's creepy when they know someone is geolocating their email headers. OK. BTW, if you think THAT is creepy, then you'd better not read anything that Snowden revealed because it would just make you sick. quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha It's not illegal or stalking to stare at a woman for an inappropriate amount of time, maybe you are trying to sum up her likes by her outfit, her shoes, watching how she walks, overhearing her conversation to pick up tidbits -- hey, all harmless, you are just trying to do your research with no intent for harm. But to her, when she notices it, it's creepy. It's creepy, inappropriate behavior. Having grown up in a huge Italian family with lots of females running the place, I'm fully aware of the concept, just as I have been forced, over the years, to accept the fact that some women wear a super-short skirt and see-through blouse with a push-out bra in public, and then,. that same woman, inexplicably gets upset that men look at her a certain way (and little boys bend over in the library to look up her skirt). Women are funny that way (and yes, I've heard the all-too-often-made excuse that she wants to look "sexy" for just one particular man or a select set of desirable men, forgetting, all too conveniently, that someone designed negligee expressly for that purpose).

crumpets -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 3:17:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha Several women on here have stated that your attitude and behavior is concerning. Yet you just defend it and dismiss the feelings of these women. That alone is concerning in itself. The fact that men must be on this forum, and, that the women who posted universally thought it was "creepy" to geolocate email headers as a matter of course, then, well, it must be creepy. It would be nice though to hear, explicitly, from a member of the male population here, or from a member of the female population who actually knows computers reasonably well.

AAkasha -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 3:35:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha Several women on here have stated that your attitude and behavior is concerning. Yet you just defend it and dismiss the feelings of these women. That alone is concerning in itself. The fact that men must be on this forum, and, that the women who posted universally thought it was "creepy" to geolocate email headers as a matter of course, then, well, it must be creepy. It would be nice though to hear, explicitly, from a member of the male population here, or from a member of the female population who actually knows computers reasonably well. I know enough about computers to understand headers. I have been on the web since it was all text and used telnet and usenet to post on alt.sex.femdom. My web site was born in 1995 when things were still text driven. I did not respond to your earlier comment that when I send an email to someone to "help" with a stalker threat etc.so they can deal with the headers, it's not to indicate these people don't know what to do with the info. They do. I keep a case file on everything. It's there when I need it. I don't spend time dealing with it myself because a) I find it boring and tedious and b) I'd rather let someone who knows hacking deal with it, so they can pull back more layers. I have monitored IP addresses in my chatroom to punt people who just try using new names. That's about as far as it goes, but I know what it is. Even in my 20+ years on the web, when I am courting a guy online, I don't investigate that deeply - many guys email me with their real names and work addresses. All I have to go is google their work address and probably see a bio. Do I? Hell no, it's not offered, so it's not appropriate. I can justify it by saying I went on their FB, linkedin, company bio just to find out their hobbies and "surprise" them -- wow! They would think that's sweet? Uh, no, it's creepy. The right thing is to pay attention to what they TELL you, what they OFFER UP to you, what they SHARE with you, and by merely REMEMBERING the info, you are better than a lot of guys. She mentions a favorite chocolate when you are at the mall getting a snack? Go home and write it down if you are prone to forget. She is with you at flowers and mentions she is allergic to carnations? Right it down later. Do you google her and look at her FB, geolocate to see what stores she frequents, pull up her public records, or look at her library card to see what books she gets? NO. Akasha

crumpets -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 3:55:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze To the OP, you simply don't get it, do you (DUCKY) What people don't get, are my attempts at humor. Otherwise, I think it was pretty clear that I got it the moment I looked up the word. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze I absolutely do NOT agree with checking every email header Until and unless there's a resounding chorus that agrees with me, we can safely say that, of the respondents, it's pretty clear that it's universally considered creepy for one to be looking at the email headers and geolocating their origin. I don't think there is any doubt of that. What surprises me is that there aren't any comments to the contrary, so, either it "is" creepy, or, nobody else really cares all that much about the details. Even so, you clearly put me on notice that you (and others) feel it's creepy. Just the same though, I feel it's terribly inconsistent to deplore than men don't read women's profiles, and then, in the same breath, when someone does (to prove the point), to deplore that action as similarly creepy. Like with women and the abundance of far-too-short skirts, I guess you want it when you want it, but not when you don't. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze a mental health professional is obliged to feel some sympathy for your condition I guess I could pay a findomme instead, who would be obliged, for the money, to give me some sympathy. Right? quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze CREEPY and socially inept. Let me guess, since this two-dimensional medium sometimes leads to confusion and inaccurate conclusions. You think my actions are creepy and socially inept, right? quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze why would I want to present myself as anybody else than who I am? Well, I could give a million answers why. For example, let's say you're a pastor who happens to be kinky. Would you really want to present yourself as such? quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze I quite enjoy normal social contact, maybe you try it sometime. Well, there are a small handful of ladies here who have met me in the flesh. If they want, they can send you a CS email telling you whether I was creepy or not in the flesh.

crumpets -> RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE on juicy profiles? (11/3/2015 3:59:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze PS: The Chinese have a perfectly adequate saying, how about Sayonara try "May you live in interesting times" Actually, they don't. But I get the point anyway. The Chinese don't appear to use that expression; it's only the non-Chinese who attribute that expression to a Chinese curse, where, uninteresting times are good, and interesting times are tumultuous, hence bad.

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