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Once people get to know these refugees, helps them get jobs, homes, and kids to school; they'll find they are no different from themselves. Most people, regardless of where they live want to live in peace with their neighbor. Raise their kids to be good adults. Have a nice place to live. A good job. Allowed to be their own person. The hateful, ignorant, and fearful right wingers are easily manipulated by those that have little scrupulous. When facts and evidence are shown, those manipulators are often shown for what they truly exist as to the public; something to imprison! Hateful people use the language barrier and customs of foreigns to play on the fears of the native population saying "They'll bring Sharia Law here and destroy your way of life". Now where have we heard that hateful garbage from? The Republican/Tea Party within the USA! Ironically enough, this is the same group that wants all the effects of Sharia Law, since it seems to conform to their outlooks (just maybe a pseudo-christian version of it).
I have to take issue with this part Joe.
I'll first say that not every migrant is bad - far from it.
But... the majority of young healthy males that also happen to be Muslim/Islamic, are behaving appallingly in their new countries and appear to have absolutely NO respect for the indigenous native people, their customs and way of life, their various religions, or the laws.
I have seen on the news media, and first hand, what many of these migrants are doing - both in their temporary camps and when they end up in the UK.
Cameron says that the UK and Europe are 'multicultural'.
I don't think so. What you have are discrete clusters of Islamic groups within the population and not nicely integrated as he seems to think.
On the fringes of these areas there is (understandably) a lot of racial and religious tension between the groups and sometimes disturbances break out.
So I have a few questions and musings that many in the west just aren't 'getting' because all the PC brigade and do-gooders are playing on the 'humanitarian' aspect of the situation.
They are making a huge and smelly mess in and around the camps.
Where is their pride in keeping it clean, tidy, and hygienic??
If not for themselves, for their kids' safety.
Just look at everywhere the newer wave of migrants have traveled and congregated - piles of shit and stinking rubbish that host countries are having to clean up.
Why don't they clean the place up so it's at least tolerable while they sort themselves out??
They don't, because in their own country they don't bother either.
An awful lot of places where they come from, they live in squalour and don't have sensible sanitary conditions so they have no idea that what they are doing is actually not good in western eyes.
They constantly break the law in cutting and climbing fences, jumping into trucks and onto trains, endangering not only themselves but law enforcement and other passengers/drivers.
If they are legitimate refugees, why don't they just register with the authorities (as is required under EU law) so they can be processed properly and humanely and get sent to where they want to go??
With the huge amount of money many have spent paying traffickers (and losing their documents in the process), they could just make their way legitimately and safely to where they want to be then claim asylum when they land.
My guess is, a high proportion of them would not qualify for refugee status (and they know that) and would inevitably be sent back to where they came from.
So in that sense, many of them are not genuine refugees but economic migrants.
The last figures I heard were that something approaching 70% or more would not be classed as refugees.
Whilst typing this response, I hear on the BBC news that a group of migrants that landed in Cyprus have set fire to the fences and buildings of where they were being processed.
Is that the way you would treat your potential new country and saviour if you were fleeing from war??
Most civilized people would be grateful that they got to where they did and would do anything to help those helping you - not acting like a bunch of lawless rioting idiots that many of these migrants are doing.
There have also been reports that within the current migrant groups, rapes and other undesirable behaviour is happening with regular monotony to the locals.
The vietnamese boat people didn't behave this way, neither did other migrant groups arriving in Europe - only these Islamic migrants.
Many are well behaved but many are not.
And if there are sooo many of these young, healthy, single men fleeing, why don't they group together and stand and fight for their country??
I have heard reports that almost two thirds of the male migrants fall into this category.
Getting the women and children out of harms way is easily understood and something that I support.
But not to fight for your own country?? That's cowardice.
It's not like there are overwhelming odds against them.
Just counting the numbers of these young migrants, they would outnumber ISIS by at least 10 to 1.
There are also 'rebel' groups like the Free Syrian Army (and others) that are fighting asswipe and ISIS.
Why don't they join and help their country into freedom????
That's quite good odds for fighting a war on the ground; but they want everyone else to fight for them.
It reminds me of just before the US pulled troops out of Afghanistan.
US and British troops were digging trenches and erecting power lines to help the local people in Kabul and Hellmand.
What were the local guys doing?? Sitting on the roadside complaining that they didn't have electricity and running water - but they didn't lift a fucking finger to help the troops that were helping them restore services and utilities. Fucking hypocrites the lot of them!!
Now for the other bits of your post....
"helps them get jobs, homes, and kids to school; they'll find they are no different from themselves"
I'm sorry?? What planet are you on??
There aren't enough jobs here for our own people, let alone several thousand migrants.
That also goes for housing and school places and healthcare.
I know it's not the same, but in Boston (a small Lincolnshire market town) where a LOT of Polish migrants have gone to work, the locals are complaining bitterly that they have totally changed the culture and character of the town beyond recognition.
You are more likely to hear Polish, Latvian or Bulgarian being spoken than English.
To quote some pieces of press: “This town has seen the devastating effect mass uncontrolled immigration can have” and cites pressure on local schools and doctors’ surgeries and says local people “can’t get jobs because a lot of them are taken by eastern European migrants”
Rather melodramatic but not exactly untrue. I've been up there recently since I used to live in the area - it has indeed changed dramatically, and not for the better IMHO.
Most of these new migrants (but not all) are of Islamic origin.
Most of the flood I have seen in my own town, with some notable and positive exceptions, they do not integrate into society, cause havoc by defacing and breaking building they don't consider Islamic. They have also attacked and trashed a local pig farm and caused a lot of disturbances in or around other places of worship and several nearby schools because they are not teaching the Islamic ways.
What they want is a mini-Islam inside the western world and that is unlikely to work very well.
Personally, unless they go against or disregard some aspects of Islam and it's teachings, they are never going to fit into western society and culture - we are too diametrically opposed in our thinking.
Although there is no sign whatsoever of any particular EU country "scrabbling" for guns, the massive influx of Islamic migrants is not good for Europe in general from a societal PoV.
At least that's my opinion.
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