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RE: A blow for religious freedom - 10/31/2015 5:01:21 AM   
blnymph


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Status: offline 		Arabic does not write vowels.
Classical Arabic has only 3 vowels: a, u, and i.

so the arabic spelling (in latin letters) is m-sl-m with a dark vowel indicated for the first syllable (and there is only 1 to choose) and an i for the end syllable

Arabic dialects have more vowels, like in Egypt o and e too, so the variant (latin letters) spellings arose with various vowels.

since English shifted almost all vowel pronounciations over time taking English spellings as a standard is often misleading anyway

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RE: A blow for religious freedom - 10/31/2015 6:25:15 AM   
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So cakes must be designed and decorated but truck drivers do not have to make the deliveries they were hired to make?

Seems legit.

Although I think Kim Davis is now owed an apology.

She had a position in govt. This is about private.

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RE: A blow for religious freedom - 10/31/2015 9:06:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Mohammedans then?

Followers of the teachings of Mohammed. Often used in the past to describe Moslems.

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RE: A blow for religious freedom - 10/31/2015 9:20:08 AM   
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Do you realize that muslim and moslem mean two completely different things?


Must have his new VA glass's on and missed that little Gem of Truth, People forget to look through the lower part of the glass's for reading the upper part for distance.....

He should forgo that word in his attempt to be hateful ( TOS Violation) it would of made more sense to use WAHABI has 1 sense:

1. a member of a strictly orthodox Sunni Muslim sect from Saudi Arabia; strives to purify Islamic beliefs and rejects any innovation occurring after the 3rd century of Islam

Cause that seems the intent of this really terrible post.


The whole issue really had little to do about alcohol delivery as much more about why the two drivers were denied the ability to switch or trade loads with other drivers
( a well establish practice within the company).... but in your rush Bama you missed that little difference. Most Muslim in America are not Wahbi. They simply be moderates wanting innovations
in faith denied by the wahbi sect view of less is better. Look at it this way Christians have West Borough Baptists and Anita Bryant, Muslim have the wahbi, but feel free to show everyone, that
you ascribe the actions of a minority onto the majority...lol

You missed my point completly. There was absolutely no hostility whatsoever aimed at Moslems. My point was clearly to subtile for you. It was that all over the country Christians are being penalized for doing exactly the same thing these two were rewarded for doing. I agree with the ruling, it supports religious freedom even though it is a religion to which I do not adhere.

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RE: A blow for religious freedom - 10/31/2015 9:24:47 AM   
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Do you realize that muslim and moslem mean two completely different things?

I realize that, as in all things, you are the ultimate authority on this. My only diffence is that all of my instructors in Arabic at the Defense Language Institute didn't know the difference either. I foolishly thought they knew what they were talking about since they ALL were native speakers of Arabic. That is they grew up in Arabic countries, and all but one were Moslems. But what did they know.

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RE: A blow for religious freedom - 10/31/2015 9:28:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: blnymph

Arabic does not write vowels.
Classical Arabic has only 3 vowels: a, u, and i.

so the arabic spelling (in latin letters) is m-sl-m with a dark vowel indicated for the first syllable (and there is only 1 to choose) and an i for the end syllable

Arabic dialects have more vowels, like in Egypt o and e too, so the variant (latin letters) spellings arose with various vowels.

since English shifted almost all vowel pronounciations over time taking English spellings as a standard is often misleading anyway

Wow, a voice of reason.

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RE: A blow for religious freedom - 10/31/2015 11:02:04 AM   
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Muslim are trying to be part of the greater world, while Moslems are happy with limiting the outside world.

I'm not finding that distinction. Can you point me to a source for this claim?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/muslim
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moslem

K.

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RE: A blow for religious freedom - 10/31/2015 3:01:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: zombiegurlsos

Muslim are trying to be part of the greater world, while Moslems are happy with limiting the outside world.

I'm not finding that distinction. Can you point me to a source for this claim?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/muslim
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moslem

K.


As blnymph pointed out when spelled out in Arabic there are no short vowels translitteration can come up with various spelings that all mean the same thing.

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RE: A blow for religious freedom - 10/31/2015 3:08:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: zombiegurlsos

Muslim are trying to be part of the greater world, while Moslems are happy with limiting the outside world.

I'm not finding that distinction. Can you point me to a source for this claim?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/muslim
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moslem

K.


As blnymph pointed out when spelled out in Arabic there are no short vowels translitteration can come up with various spelings that all mean the same thing.


I am not going to recreate my research for you as you have as much skill as I.... Moslem Equals Wahabi / But not all Muslims are Wahabi.... outside of that don't sweat it ok... have a great day
Part of the real problem is you redacted so much of my reply in the quote.... that you changed the meaning. So next time bring my whole quote forward, because I don't have an interest in you wasting my time and vice versa
just say you disagree and move on///// Hi Bama same message to you dear....

Must have his new VA glass's on and missed that little Gem of Truth, People forget to look through the lower part of the glass's for reading the upper part for distance.....

He should forgo that word in his attempt to be hateful ( TOS Violation) it would of made more sense to use WAHABI has 1 sense:

1. a member of a strictly orthodox Sunni Muslim sect from Saudi Arabia; strives to purify Islamic beliefs and rejects any innovation occurring after the 3rd century of Islam

Cause that seems the intent of this really terrible post.


The whole issue really had little to do about alcohol delivery as much more about why the two drivers were denied the ability to switch or trade loads with other drivers
( a well establish practice within the company).... but in your rush Bama you missed that little difference. Most Muslim in America are not Wahbi. They simply be moderates wanting innovations
in faith denied by the wahbi sect view of less is better. Look at it this way Christians have West Borough Baptists and Anita Bryant, Muslim have the wahbi, but feel free to show everyone, that
you ascribe the actions of a minority onto the majority...lol

It is always so nice to talk to one person through their multiple identies

< Message edited by zombiegurlsos -- 10/31/2015 3:21:02 PM >

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RE: A blow for religious freedom - 10/31/2015 3:13:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: zombiegurlsos


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: zombiegurlsos

Muslim are trying to be part of the greater world, while Moslems are happy with limiting the outside world.

I'm not finding that distinction. Can you point me to a source for this claim?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/muslim
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moslem

K.


As blnymph pointed out when spelled out in Arabic there are no short vowels translitteration can come up with various spelings that all mean the same thing.


I am not going to recreate my research for you as you have as much skill as I.... Moslem Equals Wahabi / But not all Muslims are Wahabi.... outside of that don't sweat it ok... have a great day


No

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RE: A blow for religious freedom - 10/31/2015 3:25:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: blnymph

Arabic does not write vowels.
Classical Arabic has only 3 vowels: a, u, and i.

so the arabic spelling (in latin letters) is m-sl-m with a dark vowel indicated for the first syllable (and there is only 1 to choose) and an i for the end syllable

Arabic dialects have more vowels, like in Egypt o and e too, so the variant (latin letters) spellings arose with various vowels.

since English shifted almost all vowel pronounciations over time taking English spellings as a standard is often misleading anyway


So binymph make up everyone's mind Arabic must use vowels or what you posted is very silly "Arabic does not write vowels. Classical Arabic has only 3 vowels: a, u, and i. " wow classical hyperbole
but have a great day


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RE: A blow for religious freedom - 10/31/2015 5:48:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: stef

Do you realize that muslim and moslem mean two completely different things?

I realize that, as in all things, you are the ultimate authority on this. My only diffence is that all of my instructors in Arabic at the Defense Language Institute didn't know the difference either. I foolishly thought they knew what they were talking about since they ALL were native speakers of Arabic. That is they grew up in Arabic countries, and all but one were Moslems. But what did they know.


Boy oh boy........ They would know wtf Moslem means, you surely dont.

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RE: A blow for religious freedom - 10/31/2015 5:51:39 PM   
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RE: A blow for religious freedom - 10/31/2015 5:58:11 PM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: zombiegurlsos


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ORIGINAL: blnymph

Arabic does not write vowels.
Classical Arabic has only 3 vowels: a, u, and i.

so the arabic spelling (in latin letters) is m-sl-m with a dark vowel indicated for the first syllable (and there is only 1 to choose) and an i for the end syllable

Arabic dialects have more vowels, like in Egypt o and e too, so the variant (latin letters) spellings arose with various vowels.

since English shifted almost all vowel pronounciations over time taking English spellings as a standard is often misleading anyway


So binymph make up everyone's mind Arabic must use vowels or what you posted is very silly "Arabic does not write vowels. Classical Arabic has only 3 vowels: a, u, and i. " wow classical hyperbole
but have a great day


Again, that is what the native Arabic speakers at DLI taught us, just look at a copy of Hans Weir the diffinative translation dictionary.

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RE: A blow for religious freedom - 11/1/2015 9:42:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Accommodations... unless you are a protected minority often means you are volunteering for a layoff. Is it right, no. Is it common, yes.

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RE: A blow for religious freedom - 11/1/2015 2:46:33 PM   
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Accommodations... unless you are a protected minority often means you are volunteering for a layoff. Is it right, no. Is it common, yes.


Does it piss you off that you are not part of a protected minority?

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