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Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 7:19:15 AM

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Old but I thought I would bring it up as I just stumbled across today:
@ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3157518/Miami-police-officer-moonlights-porn-star-investigation-secret-career-exposed.html
Miami Cop under investigation for previous career in porn?
I wonder how many of her colleagues both actively partake and enjoy in the watching of porn. I believe an employer should be able to fire an employee for whatever illegitimate reason but calling porn "immoral" is comical. I can't begin to imagine where this line of thought even stems from, religion? Yeah fucking goats in the desert is dope but god forbid two people having sex in a studio.
Just imagine:
Hello operator, someone broke into my home & stabbed me in the abdomen. There's blood all over the fucking place, I don't have much time left. Send help, preferably someone who likes cats, WASP incarnate, and god forbid does porn.

Oh fuck off & fuck me & what the fuck.

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RE: Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 7:32:39 AM

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You are obviously naive enough not to have heard that hiring people of dubious background could (and often would) bring a reputable/respected business/service into disrepute and thus severely affect how things are viewed by the public.

So.... being a porn star, or axe murderer, or regular burglar/thief would not be the right person to employ as a police officer.
Much the same as an ex-pedophile or someone with a known dink/drug/violence problem would not be the ideal candidate for the position of kinder-garden teacher.

Quite often, your previous misdemeanours would have a direct impact on your employability for certain jobs.

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RE: Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 7:35:36 AM

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I was going off on the bit about porn considered being immoral. Reread.

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RE: Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 7:45:33 AM

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Depending on where you sit on the social/religious spectrum, porn IS immoral for most people.

So the point in your posting the link and commenting that a Miami cop was being investigated for moon-lighting in porn is quite legitimate and valid.
Hence my point that past (or current) misdemeanours could (and should) reflect on what you can or can't be employed to do.

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RE: Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 7:58:04 AM

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Right, when employing you have to consider how other people perceive the individuals working for you. My point or contention/question or what have you is why people give a fuck in the first place if religious. ie sex is normal, porn is commercialized sex. For individuals not in the religious category how does porn come to be immoral.

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RE: Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 8:03:02 AM

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Depending on where you sit on the social/religious spectrum, porn IS immoral for most people.

So the point in your posting the link and commenting that a Miami cop was being investigated for moon-lighting in porn is quite legitimate and valid.
Hence my point that past (or current) misdemeanours could (and should) reflect on what you can or can't be employed to do.

In most jobs you have certain rules and I think she broke the rules

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Miami police officer who 'moonlights as a porn star' under investigation after her secret career was exposed

.......

A Miami police officer is under investigation for failing to tell the force she was a porn star.

If she would have disclosed her career, she might not have been employed, it's normal in about every job to have those disclaimers.

Personally I wouldn't care if a police officer has a 2nd career in porn, but I do understand why they don't want it

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RE: Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 8:06:17 AM

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Depending on where you sit on the social/religious spectrum, porn IS immoral for most people.

So the point in your posting the link and commenting that a Miami cop was being investigated for moon-lighting in porn is quite legitimate and valid.
Hence my point that past (or current) misdemeanours could (and should) reflect on what you can or can't be employed to do.

In most jobs you have certain rules and I think she broke the rules

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Miami police officer who 'moonlights as a porn star' under investigation after her secret career was exposed

.......

A Miami police officer is under investigation for failing to tell the force she was a porn star.

If she would have disclosed her career, she might not have been employed, it's normal in about every job to have those disclaimers.

Personally I wouldn't care if a police officer has a 2nd career in porn, but I do understand why they don't want it

Well aren't you a sweet-heart. Personally, I would have fired her for being a dishonest cunt as-well as potentially giving my org a bad rep.

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RE: Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 8:11:36 AM

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Because, most commercial porn is against people's moral compass even if they aren't religious.

Why??
Because most people view sex and sexual behaviour to be a very private occupation.
To have their fave activities splashed on the screen showing the most intimate stuff is only for those that find watching it a turn-on.

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RE: Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 8:13:55 AM

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my feelings are preachers only say this because of the money spent on it and not given to them/tv preachers constantly want you sending them money to preach while living rich lifestyles off of donations even some childrens films like harry potter are considered demon films and they say dont let your children watch them

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RE: Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 8:16:50 AM

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@Free,
Couldn't you argue that line of thought is pretty similar to pushing ones own insecurities / inhibitions on others..
Also, It shouldn't be relative to their OWN moral compass unless imposed upon, which it isnt.

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RE: Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 8:22:21 AM

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Well aren't you a sweet-heart. Personally, I would have fired her for being a dishonest cunt as-well as potentially giving my org a bad rep.

You know, if I'm getting attacked and a cop shows up and stops the attack, last thing I care about is if s/he is in porn, just like I couldn't care if he's straight, gay, poly, likes to have sex in a dumpster... But maybe you feel different and you want to question the cop who rescues your butt first if s/he meets all your criteria.

She violated her contract, so yeah, being fired was legit, but if you want to go back and re-read, I said *personally* it wouldn't bother me, because taking part in porn isn't illegal and unless I'm an avid fan of porn (which I'm not) I wouldn't even know. Personally I'd be more concerned if she's doing her job as a cop. As long as she declares her porn earnings and pays tax, really no skin off my nose, but I do understand that some people feel different.

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RE: Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 8:26:27 AM

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@ Lazy,
Not relative if you own a business and have to worry about how people view the character of such.
But yea. No one gives a fuck when they're being shot at. I don't give a fuck even if I'm not being shot at.
I would give a fuck if I lost revenue due to a dishonest employee.

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RE: Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 8:26:54 AM

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Considering the part of her contract that she is violating is commonly known as the morality clause, I'd say flipping the script and using the word immoral is probably a reasonable term.

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RE: Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 8:28:24 AM

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Yes lying is immoral. Being a pornstar is not.

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RE: Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 8:35:37 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

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Well aren't you a sweet-heart. Personally, I would have fired her for being a dishonest cunt as-well as potentially giving my org a bad rep.

You know, if I'm getting attacked and a cop shows up and stops the attack, last thing I care about is if s/he is in porn, just like I couldn't care if he's straight, gay, poly, likes to have sex in a dumpster... But maybe you feel different and you want to question the cop who rescues your butt first if s/he meets all your criteria.

She violated her contract, so yeah, being fired was legit, but if you want to go back and re-read, I said *personally* it wouldn't bother me, because taking part in porn isn't illegal and unless I'm an avid fan of porn (which I'm not) I wouldn't even know. Personally I'd be more concerned if she's doing her job as a cop. As long as she declares her porn earnings and pays tax, really no skin off my nose, but I do understand that some people feel different.

Some very good points LC.

However, if that cop was a released axe murderer or habitual rapist, surely you'd want to know that those sort of people are weeded out of the profession before they get on the beat??
It's one thing to be rescued from an attack, but if that gallant hero only did it so he can get you on your own in a moment of weakness so he could attack you himself... isn't that the very reason that certain professions have certain rules about your past employment or criminal record before you can be gainfully employed by them???
It's nice to know that your rescuing hero is legit and above board and is there to protect you.
Would you send your infant to a kinder-garden run by pedo's??

On the whole, I would agree with you.
But that's why certain rules exist for certain jobs.

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RE: Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 8:43:19 AM

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I do own a business and an absolutely fabulous employee is working in as an exotic dancer (read stripper) on the weekends, I know because she told me. She has no contact with clients, she does a bit of admin work, I only need her part time, her main occupation is being an student. She does her stripping not locally but in a club in Manchester, my clients are international, so not a problem at all. In fact, I think it's fabulous that she manages to pay her own way, she has a great body, is an ex gymnast, good for her.

A "concerned" local person felt like he should inform me (I already knew) so I asked him sweetly how he managed to get the info and if he tipped her for the table dance, result he blushed bright red and ever since avoids me.

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RE: Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 8:46:43 AM

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Yes lying is immoral. Being a pornstar is not.

But as a cop, you are sworn to uphold the law and moral decency.

If you are a porn-star cop checking out an immoral porn shop or brothel, wouldn't that put your duties and your 'other' life at a conflict of interest - especially if you happen across people you know and gain other benefits from?

That's why there are rules.
In this case, agreeing to the moral code and to uphold the law is a requirement to being a cop.
Technically, they would be in breach of their employment conditions - which would be a dismissal offense.

Whether you feel that being a porn star is immoral or not, being a porn star AND being a cop isn't allowed.
And as I said, a lot of people view porn stars with distaste and feel the whole industry is immoral.
You obviously don't - but the law does, and that's what counts here.

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RE: Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 8:47:06 AM

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I d not know the legal situation in the USA but: such a "morality clause" would be illegal under European laws and the candidate fully permitted to lie if asked because the employer has no right to investigate about the private lives and activities of employees (unless of criminal relevance)

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RE: Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 8:52:27 AM

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Some very good points LC.

However, if that cop was a released axe murderer or habitual rapist, surely you'd want to know that those sort of people are weeded out of the profession before they get on the beat??
It's one thing to be rescued from an attack, but if that gallant hero only did it so he can get you on your own in a moment of weakness so he could attack you himself... isn't that the very reason that certain professions have certain rules about your past employment or criminal record before you can be gainfully employed by them???
It's nice to know that your rescuing hero is legit and above board and is there to protect you.
Would you send your infant to a kinder-garden run by pedo's??

On the whole, I would agree with you.
But that's why certain rules exist for certain jobs.

As I said, she violated her contract, so yes, reason for dismissal, just personally it wouldn't bother me because I don't think being a porn star is similar to being an axe murderer or a pedo.

Come on, I do understand the screening and yes, before a contract is signed I usually get checked out, perfectly reasonable because I'm dealing with a lot of sensitive info and it also makes sense that my clients have me sign an NDA.

As I said, personally - apart from her violating her contract - I have no issue, being a porn actress is not illegal or criminal, but I do understand why others feel different.

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RE: Porn considered Immoral? - 11/1/2015 8:54:57 AM

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I just think it's ironic that a miami cop was fired because of 'morality'/ I lived there for 18 years and a huge number on that force are the scum of the earth.
If they would fire all the liars, thieves, murderers and druggies off that force, there'd be damn few left.

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