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Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/13/2015 8:09:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DommeinRochester

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Not sure if my attempt to "upload a picture worked, if not the quote below really sums up what I think about she who has been named way too much! She is the government. She feels she is in a position to tell others how they will believe. A clear violation of separation of church and state. The "state" ie "her" feels she can dictate what others will or will not do.


"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." Susan B. Anthony - 1896


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its no different here. just the names have changed, thats all. The operation stays the same. It has to but I wont get into that in this thread.




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/13/2015 8:28:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Which proves my point that the government should NOT be in the marriage business as this will be an ongoing problem and only by the continued force of a gun (courts) and continued violations of peoples religious rights to force davis to act against her conscience. Whos next?

So lets start here with this question to you:

If the gubblemint did NOT get in the marriage business in the first place would this be happening today? yes___ no___


Here is a bonus round :)
Why is no one looking at the government who stuck its nose in and IMPOSED ITS WILL upon the people in the first place to profit from its marriage 'licensing' business which is a real money maker and totally unnecessary?

You realize any license is privileged permission from the government after the fee is paid of course.


Trimmed this down for convenience.

I think we're going to have to disagree. My personal opinion on the matter is that people just don't know how to legally handle joining and un-joining without it. I base this on how some people tend to act through their divorce. Oh, we want government involved in it then because people don't know how to leave each other alone, divide the assets and debts, where the off-spring are going to live, how visitation is going to work, and all kinds of other crud.

Even just the marriage stuff (legal status) changes the way we are able to do things. Insurance, next of kin rights, tax filing, etc, etc. Me in particular, it goes even farther due to what MP does for a living. When we move to the next duty station (stateside) it's my married status that pays for my move, allows for us to have more allowance for household goods, and all my other spousal benefits. Same thing for my kids up until they were eighteen because our marriage made him their legal guardian. Those benefits wouldn't have been extended had he been their mother's boyfriend.

As a personal note, I really don't buy that Kim Davis feels she's violating her religious beliefs. I didn't buy it when the guy didn't want to make the wedding cake, either.





Not exactly sure what we are disagreeing on but you are correct that people do nothing to learn how to manage their lives legally.

People used to declare their marriages in the family bible. Virtually anything works. However if the government would have wanted to stay out of the religion business they would only need give you a template for an affidavit (leeeego term for sworn statement of truth), have you fill it out and signed by the minister, and 2 witnesses and file it in a court folder under misc. DONE! Anytime the gubblemintskowski wanted proof of your marriage for anything you whip out your affidavit. Pretty much the same as these power of attorney paperwork these dommes throw around for slave contracts, only 100% legal and recognized.

I dont think you mean government involved. I think you mean court involved ot some kind of arbitrator.

Yes and again an affidavit would suffice for any legal forum. BUT there is no money to be extorted from anyone when you do it at a cost of the paper and 50 cents for a notary and another 50 cents to file it into the record. LOL

It truly is so simple its shocking and you can do it right on your computer at home.

[image]https://www.rocketlawyer.net/np/uploaded_images/np_document_previews/Sample-Affidavit-of-Marriage-Form-Template.png[/image]


see thats all it takes. the state has no reason to tell you about this why would they? They lose money if they do!


We are programmed not to know by the assumption that the state give us permission by using license is the only way to go.



as far as davis is concerned its not fair to convict by assuming anyone knows whats in her mind unless and until proven. I do not see that happening from what I have read about her and the case so far. Its her claim we have to take it at face value until its proven or dis-proven in court.

Now if she had a gay lover that might be a different story, then I could see your position but thats not the case so no one has any reason to believe she is not telling the truth.








mnottertail -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/14/2015 6:29:51 AM)

Rocket lawyer is one of the slobbering fools in life. Not a marraige in MN.




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/14/2015 7:22:20 AM)

Nope looks like more otter nutsucking to me;


Minnesota State, MN
State of Minnesota

The marriage license fee is $40.00 with Premarital Education completed. $115.00 without Premarital Education.

You may apply for a marriage license in any county in Minnesota regardless of residence or where the ceremony takes place, if you are going to be married within the geographical borders of Minnesota.

Both paries must be at least eighteen years of age.

Both parties applying for the marriage license must be present to complete the application.

No blood test is required.

Identification such as a driver’s license or state I.D.

Fee must be paid at the time you apply for the license.

There is a five-day waiting period between the time the application is signed and the license is issued.

Be sure to contact your county Recorder/Treasure Office or License Service Centers well in advance of the wedding to find out on what days and during what hours the Clerk will be in the office. Some locales will require an appointment.




Nothing in here stating an affidavit is not acceptable to the courts, just how much money they can make off of you.






mnottertail -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/14/2015 7:27:06 AM)

nutsucking is nutsucking and you are sucking nuts off everyone.

You need a license, the affadavit will not cut it.


Here is the actual statute, not lying propaganda of nutsuckerism:

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=517.08




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/14/2015 8:03:22 AM)

nope just more otter nutcukerism, nothing says an affidavit is not accepted by the state of minn.

wanna try again?




mnottertail -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/14/2015 8:29:24 AM)

Nope. if you knew anything of law, or actually of anything, you would also learn that you are *****Ah ah! That's not allowed. Be nice or be moderated!*****




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/14/2015 8:37:14 AM)


awe cant find anything......

Tough fuckin break for you!

Like I said affidavits work fine and dandy! [8D]







mnottertail -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/14/2015 8:42:04 AM)

Nothing to find, I gave you got the law, you dont know it, you dont understand it, and you are wholly wrong. you are still blowing your slobber like you said something clever, you havent said anything other than cretinous. Nobody will listen to your pathetic asswipe.




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/14/2015 9:18:52 AM)

The affidavit is a long standing common law instrument. The courts cannot abolish it.
nutsuck all you want, if it is not said to be unacceptable in statute then it is acceptable.
as usual, in your typical butsuck fashoin, you dont understand the difference between marriage acknowledgement in law and application for state certification.

Still cant find anything I see. LOL




mnottertail -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/14/2015 9:23:46 AM)

yeah, still dont mean shit. Oh, here is some scribbling, I have scribbled that I have the right to not have a license to drive roads in the us, I have a sworn affidavit that I am 'posse comitatus' and have arrested the sitting governors for treason.


So, to murder a person with stupidity, while not being in the statute is absolutely lawful.


Yeah, fucking laughable. And fucking ignorant and cretinous. Pathetic.




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/14/2015 9:51:51 AM)

still throwing nutsuck shit at the wall

posse commitatus affidavit would be unassailable if duly elected by the people.

yes you do need a license to drive, its commercial, however you do not need a license to travel but we already established that is far too complex for nutsuck IQ.

murder? another religious precept borrowed by the state.

If you keep thowing enough shit that wall you might get something to stick in a next century.



Back to the argument before you went on your usual tangent; Still nothing that says affidivits are not valid for marriage eh.... you are on a roll down shit mountain! [8D]







mnottertail -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/14/2015 9:55:27 AM)

uh posse comitatus is plain illegal, by USC, and will not be elected because there is no office.

You got your dick in your hands.

I have an affidavit, will be the tocsin, the battle cry as they haul you to jail.

Uh, same as that asswipe about no law to pay taxes you used to felch, as they hauled Wesley Snipes to jail.
Same about that asswipe you spewed about posse comitatus.
Same asswipe you spewed about no halocaust.
Same asswipe you spewed about right to travel.
Same asswipe you spewed about Magna Carta.


Same asswipe.......Same Asswipe.





Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/15/2015 5:55:09 PM)

now thats handy, list all your failed arguments LOL

You must be felching from the same ass helmets hole as the other one.

Dont bother reading this because its way the fuck over your head and you wont understand it anyway.



HURTADO
v.
PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA.

Supreme Court of United States.


On the other hand, it is maintained on behalf of the plaintiff in error that the phrase "due process of law" is equivalent to "law of the land," as found in the 29th chapter of Magna Charta;

that by immemorial usage it has acquired a fixed, definite, and technical meaning;

that it refers to and includes,not only the general principles of public liberty and private right, which lie at the foundation of all free government, but the very institutions which, venerable by time and custom, have been tried by experience and found fit and necessary for the preservation of those principles, and which, having been the birthright and inheritance of every English subject, crossed the Atlantic with the colonists and were transplanted and established in the fundamental laws of the State;

that, having been originally introduced into the Constitution of the United States as a limitation upon the powers of the government, brought into being by that instrument, it has now been added as an additional security to the individual against oppression by the States themselves;

that one of these institutions is that of the grand jury, an indictment or presentment by which against the accused in cases of alleged felonies is an essential part of due process of law, in order that he may not be harassed or destroyed by prosecutions founded only upon private malice or popular fury.

This view is certainly supported by the authority of the great name of Chief Justice Shaw and of the court in which he presided, which, in Jones v. Robbins, 8 Gray, 329, decided that the 12th article of the Bill of Rights of Massachusetts, a transcript of Magna Charta in this respect, made an indictment or presentment of a grand jury essential to the validity of a conviction in cases of prosecutions for felonies.


In delivering the opinion of the court in that case, Merrick, J., alone dissenting, the Chief Justice said:

"The right of individual citizens to be secure from an open and public accusation of crime, and from the trouble, expense, and anxiety of a public trial before a probable cause is established by the presentment and indictment of a grand jury, in case of high offences, is justly regarded as one of the securities to the innocent against hasty, malicious, and oppressive public prosecutions, and as one of the ancient immunities and privileges of English liberty."

... "It having been stated," he continued, "by Lord Coke, that by the `law of the land' was intended a due course of proceeding according to the established rules and practice of the courts of common law, it may, perhaps, be suggested that this might include other modes of proceeding sanctioned by the common law, the most familiar of which are, by informations of various kinds, by the officers of the crown in the name of the King. But, in reply to this, it may be said that Lord Coke himself explains his own meaning by saying `the law of the land,' as expressed in Magna Charta, was intended due process of law, that is, by indictment or presentment of good and lawful men. And further, it is stated, on the authority of Blackstone, that informations of every kind are confined by the constitutional law to misdemeanors only. 4 Bl. Com. 310."


"But by the law of the land. For the true sense and exposition of these words see the statute of 37 E. 3, cap. 8, where the words, by the law of the land, are rendered, without due proces of the law, for there it is said, though it be contained in the Great Charter, that no man be taken, imprisoned, or put out of his freehold without proces of the law, that is, by indictment of good and lawfull men, where such deeds be done in due manner, or by writ originall of the common law. Without being brought in to answere but by due proces of the common law. No man be put to answer without presentment before justices, or thing of record, or by due proces, or by writ originall, according to the old law of the land. Wherein it is to be observed that this chapter is but declaratory of the old law of England."



In this country written constitutions were deemed essential to protect the rights and liberties of the people against the encroachments of power delegated to their governments, and the provisions of Magna Charta were incorporated into Bills of Rights.


In this country written constitutions were deemed essential to protect the rights and liberties of the people against the encroachments of power delegated to their governments, and the provisions of Magna Charta were incorporated into Bills of Rights.


In this country written constitutions were deemed essential to protect the rights and liberties of the people against the encroachments of power delegated to their governments, and the provisions of Magna Charta were incorporated into Bills of Rights.

In this country written constitutions were deemed essential to protect the rights and liberties of the people against the encroachments of power delegated to their governments, and the provisions of Magna Charta were incorporated into Bills of Rights.

In this country written constitutions were deemed essential to protect the rights and liberties of the people against the encroachments of power delegated to their governments, and the provisions of Magna Charta were incorporated into Bills of Rights.

In this country written constitutions were deemed essential to protect the rights and liberties of the people against the encroachments of power delegated to their governments, and the provisions of Magna Charta were incorporated into Bills of Rights.




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There I even crayola'd for your dumb ass.

you are next to go on hide


Everyone can see that you still cant support your shit face claim that marriage affidavits are illegal in minn

It will be a long wait folks because its his usual diarrhea




thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/15/2015 6:48:55 PM)

That is almost as stupid as stating that congess making 1983 the year of the bible is proof that your imaginary friend is the boss of the usa. [8|]




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/15/2015 6:52:52 PM)

thompsonx
This felcher is on your "hidden" list and the post has been hidden.
perpetual spamming, ridiculous juvenile arguments, incessant thread disruption, 100% non compose mentis.

Congratulations this is the first time I was ever forced put anyone on iggy for top shelf stupidity.

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I bet it is still obessed with me LOL






thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/16/2015 5:31:57 AM)


ORIGINAL: Real0ne

thompsonx
This felcher is on your "hidden" list and the post has been hidden.
perpetual spamming, ridiculous juvenile arguments, incessant thread disruption, 100% non compose mentis.

Congratulations this is the first time I was ever forced put anyone on iggy for top shelf stupidity.

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I bet it is still obessed with me LOL



You claim to have me on hide yet you keep responding...it would appear that the obsession is all yours sweetie.




thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/16/2015 5:33:58 AM)



Everyone can see that you still cant support your shit face claim that marriage affidavits are illegal in minn


In the real world everyone can see that all that has been done is you have posted piles of irrelevant drivil.




mnottertail -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/16/2015 1:26:25 PM)

Not quite what the case says:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/110/516

Turns out that Real0 is felching asswipe from some other planet, out of context, as is his usual case. Clearly his drivel is non-sequitur drivel as is the common case.




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/16/2015 3:51:30 PM)

WTG!

proof you have nothing but asswipe when you cant quote it.

fucking hilarious the way you dig yourself into more holes and deeper with every post.


and.....Everyone can see that you STILL CANT SUPPORT your shit face claim that marriage affidavits are illegal in minn







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