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thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/16/2015 7:50:32 PM)

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

WTG!

proof you have nothing but asswipe when you cant quote it.

fucking hilarious the way you dig yourself into more holes and deeper with every post.


and.....Everyone can see that you STILL CANT SUPPORT your shit face claim that marriage affidavits are illegal in minn





Pretty simple solution homer...just hobo your fuzzy lil ass up to minn. and get yersef married with an affidavit and show us how easy it is.[8|] Until that happens you are just another pam running off at the mouth.




zombiegurlsos -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/17/2015 3:01:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: Real0ne

well women were never instructed not to lay with other women, that little prohibition was all about the men.... just saying






Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/17/2015 6:33:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

now thats handy, list all your failed arguments LOL

You must be felching from the same ass helmets hole as the other one.

Dont bother reading this because its way the fuck over your head and you wont understand it anyway.


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There I even crayola'd for your dumb ass.

you are next to go on hide


Everyone can see that you still cant support your shit face claim that marriage affidavits are illegal in minn

It will be a long wait folks because its his usual diarrhea





Not quite what the case says:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/110/516

Turns out that Real0 is felching asswipe from some other planet, out of context, as is his usual case. Clearly his drivel is non-sequitur drivel as is the common case.



Yeh planet reality!

I told you not to bother reading it because you would not understand it but you did anyway.

Meantime I can pound nails in your coffin all fucking day long:



We will sell to no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either justice or right. —Magna Carta (1225)

The "Great Charter" drawn up on the field at Runnymede on June 15, 1215 between King John and his feudal barons failed to resolve the crisis that had been brewing in England ever since the death of John's brother King Richard I. Over the long term, however, Magna Carta served to lay the foundation for the evolution of parliamentary government and subsequent declarations of rights in Great Britain and the United States. In attempting to establish checks on the king's powers, this document asserted the right of "due process" of law. By the end of the 13th century, it provided the basis for the idea of a "higher law," one that could not be altered either by executive mandate or legislative acts. This concept, embraced by the leaders of the American Revolution, is embedded in the supremacy clause of the United States Constitution and enforced by the Supreme Court.


http://www.losal.org/cms/lib7/CA01000497/Centricity/Domain/340/English%20Bill%20of%20Rights%201689_American%20Bill%20of%20Rights_Compared.pdf








Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/17/2015 6:42:08 AM)

more nails for your coffin, I can do this all fucking day:


http://www.constitution.org/bor/eng_bor.htm

English Bill of Rights of 1689 History of the 13 Colonies and the laws & taxes that sparked rebellion against the British combines all of the items we’ve borrowed from history! Wrapped up in this combination of ideas is the English Bill of Rights of 1689. This document shows inspiration from Greece, Rome, religion, the Scientific Revolution, and the Enlightenment.
In turn, it influenced the American colonies and the Constitution of the United States.

Summary of the English Bill of Rights The 1689 English Bill of Rights had a massive influence on the colonies in North America and the Constitution of the United States.

[Yeh it was damn near copy paste, I'd call that influence all right!]


American colonists expected to have the same rights granted in England by the Magna Carta and the 1689 English Bill of Rights. When the American colonists were denied these rights tensions grew in the colonies and led to the American Revolutionary War.

Many of the themes and principle s contained in the Magna Carta and the English Bill of Rights are continued in the American Declaration of Independence of 1776, the First State Constitutions, the Articles of Confederation, the U.S. Constitution, and in the US Bill of Rights.

[More accurately they are stating euphemisms for 'adopted', no different than state legislation that adopts federal law.]






Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/17/2015 7:06:38 AM)

Oh hayl yes I can do this all day!

yet more nails in your incompetent coffin:



In fact, granting a private party lawmaking authority that the Constitution vests only in individuals who hold the offices created or contemplated by Articles I, II, and III is the exact opposite of what the Framers had in mind.....[pretty much outlaws the american bureaucracy we take for granted lol] The delegation of federal lawmaking power to private parties would be a clear violation of the “rule of law” that Magna Carta required the Crown to satisfy and that limits the authority of federal officials by virtue of the Due Process Clause. Were Congress to grant federal lawmaking authority to a private party unencumbered by any legal or political constraints, the “Law” through which Congress sought to achieve its goals would be no less invalid than an effort undertaken by King John 800 years ago to empower a family member or friend to exercise royal authority. Accordingly, Magna Carta may yet play an important further role in the development of American constitutional law.


Conclusion

It has been said that “[t]he very success of Magna Carta makes it hard for us, 800 years on, to see how utterly revolutionary it must have appeared at the time…. What Magna Carta initiated, rather, was constitutional government—or, as the terse inscription on the American Bar Association’s stone puts it, ‘freedom under law.’”[61] No longer was the law “just an expression of the will of the biggest guy in the tribe.”[62] [now its the biggest monied corporations instead]

The doctrine that we now call “the rule of law”—that is, the principle that “[a]bove the king brooded something more powerful,” an axiom that “you couldn’t see or hear or touch or taste but that bound the sovereign as surely as it bound the poorest wretch in the kingdom”—owes its distinguished place in Anglo–American constitutional law to Magna Carta.[63]

Americans should celebrate that document no less than we celebrate our Declaration of Independence or our Constitution. Why? Because we might not have had either one of them were it not for Magna Carta.


—Paul J. Larkin, Jr., is Senior Legal Research Fellow in the Edwin Meese III Center for Legal and Judicial Studies at The Heritage Foundation.
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David Carpenter, Magna Carta (2015)
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Gordon S. Wood, The Creation of the American Republic, 1776–1787 (1998)


not that any of this matters to your trolling bullshit, same as felch boy, but if you have a need for more black eyes by all means keep posting your waste.


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anyway for those who are interested outside of wasteland and imbecile, the magna charta is one of the founding documents with much of it adopted by several of the states in the creating of our government, more specifically [the long forgotten] 'due process'/'law of the land'

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Turns out that Real0 is felching asswipe from some other planet, out of context, as is his usual case. Clearly his drivel is non-sequitur drivel as is the common case.


thanks for the laugh though!




mnottertail -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/17/2015 7:14:53 AM)

loser org?

Yeah, so it was a real bad judgement and said the 14th did not devolve to the states. But you have proven you dont know the difference between a rant, ratio decidendi, obiter dicta, and held.




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/17/2015 7:24:10 AM)

you havent proven any such thing.
in fact you cant prove it because its not twu,
just more of your usual hiding under every shell you can find.
You have proven that you like felch are severely comprehension challenged

and.....Everyone can see that you STILL CANT SUPPORT your shit face claim that marriage affidavits are illegal in minn

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Same asswipe you spewed about Magna Carta.

Same asswipe.......Same Asswipe.


your same clueless nutsuck

you have already convinced any sane person beyond a reasonable doubt that you and imbecile are nothing more than trolls without a clu.









thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/17/2015 7:40:35 AM)

—Paul J. Larkin, Jr., is Senior Legal Research Fellow in the Edwin Meese III Center for Legal and Judicial Studies at The Heritage Foundation.


How could anyone limited to a two digit iq dispute such a source?
Some of ed meese's stellar vocalizations


“A Supreme Court decision does not establish a "supreme law of the land" that is binding on all persons and parts of government.”


Ascribing racial animus to people who are trying to safeguard democratic integrity is a crude yet effective political tactic that obscures the truth. But there's something even worse than name-calling: legal interference from Washington with valid laws.


That conclusion is inescapable, given the well-established evidence that voter-ID laws don't disenfranchise minorities or reduce minority voting, and in many instances enhance it, despite claims to the contrary by Mr. Holder and his allies. As more states adopt such laws, the left has railed against them with increasing fury, even invoking the specter of the Jim Crow era to describe electoral safeguards common to most nations, including in the Third World.

You don't have many suspects who are innocent of a crime. If a person is innocent of a crime, then he is not a suspect.


An expert is somebody who is more than 50 miles from home, has no responsibility for implementing the advice he gives, and shows slides.

You couldn't even prove the White House staff sane beyond a reasonable doubt.












thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/17/2015 7:43:22 AM)

you have already convinced any sane person beyond a reasonable doubt that you and imbecile are nothing more than trolls without a clu.

Cite please




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/18/2015 12:10:16 AM)

Well now that we apparently disposed of the troll distractions, and in all fairness the sidetrack to a 14th argument would be a good debate but not in this thread and most likely not on this board because so many people have so little working knowledge of the law.

Anyway despite so many here do not understand there are none the less others who do. The real solution made wiki and was suggested by many but the gubblemint never gives up income for the gubblemint.




In 1997, libertarian David Boaz wrote an article for Slate titled “Privatize Marriage: A Simple Solution to the Gay-Marriage Debate." In the article, Boaz suggests privatizing marriage in a way that models the nature of standard business contracts. Boaz's idea is to allow two (possibly more) individuals to set the terms of their own private marital contract in a way that is best for the individuals involved. "When children or large sums of money are involved, an enforceable contract spelling out the parties' respective rights and obligations is probably advisable. But the existence and details of such an agreement should be up to the parties."[1] According to Boaz the government could be called upon to enforce the contract but may have no other role in developing the contract and setting the terms.

In 2002, anarchist Wendy McElroy echoed Boaz's business contract model in an essay for Ifeminists titled "It's Time to Privatize Marriage."

Marriage should be privatized. Let people make their own marriage contracts according to their conscience, religion and common sense. Those contracts could be registered with the state, recognized as legal and arbitrated by the courts, but the terms would be determined by those involved.[2]

McElroy has also said:

Why is marriage declining? One reason is that it has become a three-way contract between two people and the government.[3]

In 2003, political columnist Ryan McMaken, writing on LewRockwell.com, raised the issue of marriage privatization arguing that the rise of state-sanctioned marriage coincides historically with the expansion of government. In his article titled "Married to the State," McMaken wrote:

The question we are then left with today is one of whether the churches and individuals should be looking to privatize marriage yet again and to begin making a distinction between secular contracts between private citizens and religious unions that should be kept beyond the power of the State. Such a move, of course, would bring with it new assumptions about the role of the State in divorce, children, and a variety of other aspects of family life. The State will not give up control over these things easily, for the assertion that the importance of marriage makes it a legitimate interest of the State is only true from the point of view of the State itself, for as the foundation of society, marriage and family cannot be entrusted to governments just to be blown about by the winds of democratic opinion, for the same government that has the power to protect can just as easily destroy.[4]

In a similar libertarian vein, the radio talk-show host Larry Elder endorsed the privatization of marriage. In "The State Should Get Out of the Marriage Business", a 2004 article published in on the website Capitalism Magazine, Elder wrote:

How about government simply getting out of the marriage-license-granting business? (Ditto for government licenses necessary to cut hair, drive a taxi, open a business or enter a profession.) Leave marriage to non-governmental institutions, like churches, synagogues, mosques, and other houses of worship or private institutions. Adultery, although legal, remains a sin subject to societal condemnation. It's tough to legislate away condemnation or legislate in approval. Those who view same-sex marriage as sinful will continue to do so, no matter what the government, the courts or their neighbors say.[5]

In 2006, law professor Colin P.A. Jones wrote an article appearing in the San Francisco Chronicle titled "Marriage Proposal: Why Not Privatize?" following the business model for privatization Jones writes:

Subject to certain statutory constraints, business people have long been free to form whatever sort of partnership they felt appropriate to their needs. Why not make the same possible for marriage, which is a partnership based on one of the oldest types of contractual relationships? [6]

In 2009, author and journalist Naomi Wolf wrote about getting the state out of marriage in The Times:

Let's also get the state out of the marriage union. In spite of the dress and the flowers, marriage is a business contract. Women, generally, don't understand this, until it hits them over the head upon divorce. Let's take a lead from our gay and lesbian friends, who, without state marriage, often create domestic partnerships with financial autonomy and unity spelt out. A heterosexual parallel: celebrate marriage with a religious or emotional ceremony — leave the state out of it — and create a business- or domestic-partner contract aligning the couple legally.[7]

Professor Gary Becker, a winner of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences, has said that:

With marriage contracts that set out the couple's commitments, there is little reason why judges should retain their current involvement in marriage.[8]

As of 2015, the only known members of US Congress to support privatization of state marriage is Sen. Rand Paul,[9] Rep. Justin Amash (R–Michigan)[10] and Rep. Gary Palmer (R–Alabama).[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_privatization




that is the real answer to all things where people would have religious conflict with the government is that the gubblemint should get the fuck out of peoples personal affiars and pull back teir previous usurping expansion.




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/18/2015 12:14:44 AM)

thompsonx
This felcher is on your "hidden" list and the post has been hidden.
perpetual spamming, ridiculous juvenile arguments, incessant thread disruption, 100% non compose mentis, lying by reversing my positions and meanings of my posts.

Congratulations this is the first time I was ever forced put anyone on iggy for top shelf stupidity.

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thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/18/2015 4:22:47 AM)

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

thompsonx
This felcher is on your "hidden" list and the post has been hidden.
perpetual spamming, ridiculous juvenile arguments, incessant thread disruption, 100% non compose mentis, lying by reversing my positions and meanings of my posts.

Congratulations this is the first time I was ever forced put anyone on iggy for top shelf stupidity.

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This is how the igoranat discuss.[8|]




mnottertail -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/18/2015 6:57:57 AM)

In 2014 the gay marriage question was settled, and there was no need to privatize it (LOL, and make it efficient). So nobody gives a fuck about some stupid shit someone said 10 years ago about nothing.




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/18/2015 10:07:08 PM)

There never was a 'gay marriage' question.

the question has and will continue to be wtf is wrong with american gubblemint and the shitstain they turn into law.

Its fully understood you dont give a fuck and nutsuck to boot.


The government has no authority to be in the religion business or private matters that do not rise to the level of imminent danger.

Nutsuckers want status quo and the business as usual mafia commercial model people call gubblemint who has their fingers firmly embedded in yer ass.

Gubblemint should not be in or have anything to do with the marriage business period.






mnottertail -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/19/2015 6:19:03 AM)

Well, that is untrue and a very persistent hallucination with you, however; when we examine facts rather than your cretinous non-sequiturs and spouting geysers of stupidity, the gubmint has the authority to do whatever it wants.




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/19/2015 8:07:26 AM)

typical nutsucker, happy with treating the symptoms while the disease rages on. [8|]




thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/19/2015 8:45:26 AM)

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

thompsonx
This felcher is on your "hidden" list and the post has been hidden.


Obviously not since you responded.

perpetual spamming,

Actually posting the same msg. over and over is spamming.



ridiculous juvenile arguments,

That you are perpetully unable to refute.

incessant thread disruption,

Responding to the moronic tripe you post.

100% non compose mentis,

Thus far you are the one unable to respond with supportable arguements to the contrary.


lying by reversing my positions and meanings of my posts.

Pointing out the absurdities in your post is hardly lying

Congratulations this is the first time I was ever forced put anyone on iggy for top shelf stupidity.

Forced????[8|]

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Ignorance is your friend.




mnottertail -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/19/2015 10:11:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

typical nutsucker, happy with treating the symptoms while the disease rages on. [8|]



And your scribbling asswipe and imbicility has done what then? How's that posse comitatus arrest of the 50 governors proceeding? Going any faster than the second coming of christ?

Get a fucking job, dumbass.




thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/19/2015 1:03:52 PM)


ORIGINAL: mnottertail


And your scribbling asswipe and imbicility has done what then? How's that posse comitatus arrest of the 50 governors proceeding? Going any faster than the second coming of christ?

Get a fucking job, dumbass.


I saw some hippie looking dude in a white robe down on the cornor panhandling. He had a sign saying jesus was living next door to him. There goes the neighborhood.




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/19/2015 8:24:09 PM)

Ok there are so many felch boy posts they must be in response to mine, I have to unblock for a quick glance at what this fucking retard is posting just in case there is something facimile of rational process in any of them.

Oh yeh here we go;


Obviously not since you responded.
Hey felch, you asshelmet, it shows your nick and that you are ignored not your post. Fuck you are tarded.


That you are perpetully unable to refute.
Bold Faced Lies I suspected as much.
Thus far you are the one unable to respond with supportable arguements to the contrary.
MORE Bold Faced Lies I suspected as much.
That is almost as stupid as stating that congess making 1983 the year of the bible
MORE Bold Faced Lies I posted the fucking congressional record.


Ignorance is your friend.
no you are nutsucks friend not mine

Cant find one fucking rational argument, back on iggy with your felch ass.




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