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thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 10:51:20 AM)

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Oh you mean if it were MY rights being violated?

a jury

odd thats not on your list.
Obviously you do not know much about the military. What makes you think you get a trial or a jury?
Still no cite to support your ignorant statements.





OsideGirl -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 10:53:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

I fully expect davis to get her ass handed to her because while she does have the right to 'her' conscience, therefore with regard to what she signs 'her' name to, I cant imagine how she can extend 'her conscience' to the department since the others also have a right to their conscience and they may very well not have a problem with signing their name. I fully expect she will get her ass handed to her by attempting to make it policy despite the fact she 'personally' has the right to refuse.


I agree, but I think it also goes beyond this. By issuing marriage licenses to atheists and people of non-Christian faiths (people her faith view as sinners) she's already shown that marriage licenses aren't about religion and aren't about HER faith. She's contradicted herself and it takes away her argument.




mnottertail -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 10:54:42 AM)

Uh, the service is and always has been a special case in the US, thats why there is a UCMJ. While your government don't give a fuck about your rights, and will bullshit you by the legislate, investigate, obfuscate and repudiate method,the military makes no such pretense, you have no fucking rights other than get a haircut, shine your shoes, and die when we tell you.

We will give you a horn blowing, a headstone, and a flag for the fine honor of dying for your country (and as has been demonstrated, will fuck you out of that if they can)




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 10:57:01 AM)

Kim davis is not in the military.

Its your confused attempt at an argument, either post a citation where the trustees of a civil office give up their rights reserved or tfb.




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 11:05:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

I fully expect davis to get her ass handed to her because while she does have the right to 'her' conscience, therefore with regard to what she signs 'her' name to, I cant imagine how she can extend 'her conscience' to the department since the others also have a right to their conscience and they may very well not have a problem with signing their name. I fully expect she will get her ass handed to her by attempting to make it policy despite the fact she 'personally' has the right to refuse.


I agree, but I think it also goes beyond this. By issuing marriage licenses to atheists and people of non-Christian faiths (people her faith view as sinners) she's already shown that marriage licenses aren't about religion and aren't about HER faith. She's contradicted herself and it takes away her argument.



thats a huge problem in the way people have come to believe what a religion is. All people have a religion including atheists. However her religion is for her to decide not the government. These other people that she certified were man+woman no religion expressed or implied. However man+man and woman+woman is in direct violation of her religious beliefs because it goes without saying that they are homosexual and this is forbidden by her religion virtually from the beginning of time.

For Davis to certify a gay marriage forces her to become 'an accomplice in the commission of a crime against her God', thus making her liable.




mnottertail -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 11:21:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Kim davis is not in the military.

Its your confused attempt at an argument, either post a citation where the trustees of a civil office give up their rights reserved or tfb.


Nope you are the confused one.
What rights have been assumed to be given up?




mnottertail -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 11:24:46 AM)

And as usual, you are full of shit. All people do not have a religion. Thats the most ignorant of the ignorant shit you have spewed.






thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 11:27:10 AM)


ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Kim davis is not in the military.

Our discussion was about sikh in the military and provisions made for their faith. Kim davis is not a sikh an is not in the military so what is your point?




thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 11:32:07 AM)


ORIGINAL: Real0ne




thats a huge problem in the way people have come to believe what a religion is. All people have a religion including atheists.

That would be your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion and nothing more.


However her religion is for her to decide not the government. These other people that she certified were man+woman no religion expressed or implied. However man+man and woman+woman is in direct violation of her religious beliefs because it goes without saying that they are homosexual and this is forbidden by her religion virtually from the beginning of time.

Do you just open your mouth to change feet....from the beginning of time???yeah right. How about a cite for this moronic nonsense?


For Davis to certify a gay marriage forces her to become 'an accomplice in the commission of a crime against her God', thus making her liable.

Fuck her god. When did her god get elected to a pubic office in the u.s.?




thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 11:34:13 AM)

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

And as usual, you are full of shit. All people do not have a religion. Thats the most ignorant of the ignorant shit you have spewed.




I think that title belongs to the post that says her god makes the rules for my country




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 11:38:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Kim davis is not in the military.

Its your confused attempt at an argument, either post a citation where the trustees of a civil office give up their rights reserved or tfb.


Nope you are the confused one.
What rights have been assumed to be given up?




Last time I checked this was about kim davis and religion.




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 11:40:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

And as usual, you are full of shit. All people do not have a religion. Thats the most ignorant of the ignorant shit you have spewed.




I think that title belongs to the post that says her god makes the rules for my country



try reading my first post in this thread for comprehension.




mnottertail -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 11:41:26 AM)

Nah, I already know you dont have any comprehension.




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 11:41:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: Real0ne

However her religion is for her to decide not the government. These other people that she certified were man+woman no religion expressed or implied. However man+man and woman+woman is in direct violation of her religious beliefs because it goes without saying that they are homosexual and this is forbidden by her religion virtually from the beginning of time.




its been cited many times, in other threads created specifically for that purpose but as usual you fail to comprehend it.




Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 11:43:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

For Davis to certify a gay marriage forces her to become 'an accomplice in the commission of a crime against her God', thus making her liable.

Fuck her god. When did her god get elected to a pubic office in the u.s.?



When gay marriage was banned.




mnottertail -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 11:58:13 AM)

meaning not one fucking thing.




thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 12:04:00 PM)


ORIGINAL: Real0ne


ORIGINAL: thompsonx



Fuck her god. When did her god get elected to a pubic office in the u.s.?



When gay marriage was banned.


Perhaps you could cite for us just when her god was elected?




Kirata -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 12:06:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

For Davis to certify a gay marriage forces her to become 'an accomplice in the commission of a crime against her God', thus making her liable.

Rome routinely ignored the scriptural prohibitions of the Torah. Should a Jew be compelled to enable these crimes and become an accomplice in their commission by funding them?

Asked and answered.

K.




dcnovice -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 12:07:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Actually, the two issues are unrelated.

The issue here is she is refusing to issue marriage licenses on the grounds of her religion, which is not protected under the constitution. There are officers of the Hindu faith in the US military, and must, regardless of their beliefs, treat Sikhs with the same respect as due other members of the Armed Services.

The constitution protects her right only in the private sector, as a public administrator or elected she is required by law to follow the laws, both federal and local.

If this is a problem, she can resign.

For her to win the case, she would have to prove the laws of the United States, as well as the constitution are based on Christian moral law, which has been tried in the past and lost.

That's largely how I see it.

An interesting hypothetical would be whether a devout Catholic clerk has the right to deny a marriage license to someone--say, Kim Davis--remarrying after a divorce, which the RCC forbids.




thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 12:30:04 PM)

ORIGINAL: dcnovice
That's largely how I see it.

An interesting hypothetical would be whether a devout Catholic clerk has the right to deny a marriage license to someone--say, Kim Davis--remarrying after a divorce, which the RCC forbids.


I just saw an item the other day saying that the pope and the bishops are discussing that very thing. Trying to bring divorced catholics back to the church. There seems to be a pretty strong leaning in that direction.




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