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dcnovice -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 4:00:58 PM)
quote: marriage certificates serve no purpose. U.S. General Accounting Office: Consequently, as of December 31, 2003, our research identified a total of 1,138 federal statutory provisions classified to the United States Code in which marital status is a factor in determining or receiving benefits, rights, and privileges. http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04353r.pdf

Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 4:21:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: marriage certificates serve no purpose. U.S. General Accounting Office: Consequently, as of December 31, 2003, our research identified a total of 1,138 federal statutory provisions classified to the United States Code in which marital status is a factor in determining or receiving benefits, rights, and privileges. http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04353r.pdf and where is the *necessity* for a certificate that a sworn witnessed affidavit would not accomplish? I need ot know the 'necessity', not thats the way its done therefore its all good explanation.

Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 4:26:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: sorry there is no obvious connection between rome jews and the us gubblemint that applies to this topic. I can't speak for Kirata, of course, but I'm guessing he was thinking of Matthew 22:15-22. the problem is the gubblemint is trespassing, matthew has nothing to do with gubblemint over-reach in violation of rights, only taxes.

thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 4:27:23 PM)
and where is the necessity for a certificate that a sworn witnessed affidavit would not accomplish? A sworn witnessed affidavit seems to be exactly what a marriage license is. Why do you think it is something different?

Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 4:31:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Real0ne ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Real0ne ORIGINAL: thompsonx Fuck her god. When did her god get elected to a pubic office in the u.s.? When gay marriage was banned. Perhaps you could cite for us just when her god was elected? try using your head, do you think gays were banned from getting married by your wizard of oz? Perhaps you could cite for us just when her god was elected to any public office in my country. Since you claim that is how it was done show us the proof. Otherwise your buffonery is just ...buffonery[8\|] cluck cluck cluck! [8\|] [image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/misc/asshand/e066b95e8ba723e0b559b560c215fe28_zpsd82b0927.jpg[/image] for someone who would try to lead us to believe they are presenting intelligent researched argument you sure post some fucked shit. How many more times do I have to post this before you can comprehend it and stop making so many ignoramous fucking troll posts? [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/Religion/law.jpg[/image]

thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 4:45:38 PM)
ORIGINAL: Real0ne How many more times do I have to post this before you can comprehend it and stop making so many ignoramous fucking troll posts? Perhaps you could cite for us just when her god was elected to any public office in my country. Since you claim that is how it was done show us the proof. Otherwise your buffonery is just ...buffonery

MrRodgers -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/5/2015 11:12:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey I think she may stand a chance but only because the Fed allowed those of the Sikh faith to wear beards and turbins in the military KD, not on point. One is private the other is govt. A govt. mandate trumps religious practice. Religious practice is itself...private. RealOne, that Senate Res. is unmitigated bullshit beyond the DOI. What lead to the settlement of this land was the Spanish, the French and the English could steal Indian land. Then the colonists revolted against the BOE (Bank of England) only to take what the crown had, buy what they could from the French and then...steal the rest.

Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/6/2015 12:41:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey I think she may stand a chance but only because the Fed allowed those of the Sikh faith to wear beards and turbins in the military KD, not on point. One is private the other is govt. A govt. mandate trumps religious practice. Religious practice is itself...private. RealOne, that Senate Res. is unmitigated bullshit beyond the DOI. What lead to the settlement of this land was the Spanish, the French and the English could steal Indian land. Then the colonists revolted against the BOE (Bank of England) only to take what the crown had, buy what they could from the French and then...steal the rest. Despite peoples hatred for it, congress acknowledges the correct history of this country and it never the less proves thomson is totally wrong throwing his useless shit at the wall hoping he can get something to stick. Here I fixed it for you: quote: [Other factors that] lead to the settlement of this land was the Spanish, the French and the English could steal Indian land. Then the colonists revolted against the BOE (Bank of England) only to take what the crown had, buy what they could from the French and then...steal the rest. No one or nation can simply 'take' title to land except by perpetual military stronghold. No one can take from the crown what the crown does not legally divest itself. While the crown has divested itself of political power I have not seen the same for land or any remainders.

thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/6/2015 12:45:14 AM)
Despite peoples hatred for it, congress acknowledges the correct history of this country and it never the less it proves thomson is totally wrong and as usual throwing shit at the wall hoping he can get something to stick. So far all you have proved is that you are a fool.

Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/6/2015 12:54:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail atheism is not a religion since it does not meet the necessary and sufficient conditions of the definition of religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. a particular system of faith and worship. a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance. another dictionary : the belief in a god or in a group of gods : an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods : an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group As it seems to me, the elephant in the room is that none of those definitions are sufficiently definitive. Some schools of Buddhism would fail to meet either of the primary definitions, and in both cases the third allows for anything to be a "religion." K. In a previous thread I gave a definition that adequately covers the whole enchilada, not some 'this is the usage and how we are abusing word today' definition above. [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/Religion/RELIGIONthesocialsystemjfrank1_1.jpg[/image] Its a bit more difficult to understand unfortunately because it requires some background exposure and knowledge of philosophical terms. we discussed this already.

Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/6/2015 12:55:23 AM)
more importantly I proved you are an idiot. But that doesnt take much

thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/6/2015 1:04:36 AM)
ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail atheism is not a religion since it does not meet the necessary and sufficient conditions of the definition of religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. a particular system of faith and worship. a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance. another dictionary : the belief in a god or in a group of gods : an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods : an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group As it seems to me, the elephant in the room is that none of those definitions are sufficiently definitive. Some schools of Buddhism would fail to meet either of the primary definitions, and in both cases the third allows for anything to be a "religion." K. In a previous thread I gave a definition that adequately covers the whole enchilada, not some 'this is the usage and how we are abusing word today' definition above. [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/Religion/RELIGIONthesocialsystemjfrank1_1.jpg[/image] Its a bit more difficult to understand unfortunately because it requires some background exposure and knowledge of philosophical terms. we discussed this already. Why do you think that this drivel is improtant?

thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/6/2015 1:06:45 AM)
]ORIGINAL: Real0ne more importantly I proved you are an idiot. But that doesnt take much Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and yours always smell the same.

Real0ne -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/6/2015 1:14:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail atheism is not a religion since it does not meet the necessary and sufficient conditions of the definition of religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. a particular system of faith and worship. a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance. another dictionary : the belief in a god or in a group of gods : an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods : an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group As it seems to me, the elephant in the room is that none of those definitions are sufficiently definitive. Some schools of Buddhism would fail to meet either of the primary definitions, and in both cases the third allows for anything to be a "religion." K. In a previous thread I gave a definition that adequately covers the whole enchilada, not some 'this is the usage and how we are abusing word today' definition above. [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/Religion/RELIGIONthesocialsystemjfrank1_1.jpg[/image] Its a bit more difficult to understand unfortunately because it requires some background exposure and knowledge of philosophical terms. we discussed this already. Why do you think that this drivel is improtant? quote: Why do you think that this drivel is improtant? Awe too bad, no intelligent rebuttal. As usual lights are on and nobody is home. keep up the good work!

LadyPact -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/6/2015 2:26:14 AM)
Fast reply. Two questions and a comment. Am I the only one on this planet who is sick of that woman? What in the hell is that Green Acres sh^t her husband is wearing? The comment. It never ceases to amaze me that kinky people (it's still a kink site, right?) who want to run their lives and their bedrooms in whatever way they deem fit, just can't seem to hack it when other people want to do the same thing. Does it really, really bother you that other people want the same protection and rights under the law? Do you guys really care who someone chooses to spend the rest of their life with and <quiver> that it gets sanctioned by the state? So, (God forbid) they get the same tax breaks as you, (thanks to dc here who did that passage about Caesar) same legal decisions in medical/burial matters as you, can raise children like you, and every other thing. I'm all ears. Tell me, exactly, why this harms you.

Lucylastic -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/6/2015 3:39:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Fast reply. Two questions and a comment. Am I the only one on this planet who is sick of that woman? What in the hell is that Green Acres sh^t her husband is wearing? The comment. It never ceases to amaze me that kinky people (it's still a kink site, right?) who want to run their lives and their bedrooms in whatever way they deem fit, just can't seem to hack it when other people want to do the same thing. Does it really, really bother you that other people want the same protection and rights under the law? Do you guys really care who someone chooses to spend the rest of their life with and <quiver> that it gets sanctioned by the state? So, (God forbid) they get the same tax breaks as you, (thanks to dc here who did that passage about Caesar) same legal decisions in medical/burial matters as you, can raise children like you, and every other thing. I'm all ears. Tell me, exactly, why this harms you. yes.this.

KenDckey -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/6/2015 6:22:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey I think she may stand a chance but only because the Fed allowed those of the Sikh faith to wear beards and turbins in the military KD, not on point. One is private the other is govt. A govt. mandate trumps religious practice. Religious practice is itself...private. RealOne, that Senate Res. is unmitigated bullshit beyond the DOI. What lead to the settlement of this land was the Spanish, the French and the English could steal Indian land. Then the colonists revolted against the BOE (Bank of England) only to take what the crown had, buy what they could from the French and then...steal the rest. Actually I believe it is exactly on point. AR 670-1 http://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/pdf/r670_1.pdf Chapter 3 describes the appearance and groom standards of the Army. The federal court created a religious exemption to this requirement. Didn't happen under the UCMJ http://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/pdf/r670_1.pdf That being said where the military has control over things that otherwise in society we find discusting or undesirable for whatever reason (not mine to understand just comply with). Since the federal court system created an exemption for these federal employees (for those that forgot the military is comprised of federal employees) then she is seeking an exemption for her county job based upon her religion. And she can use t his military exemption as a part of the basis for her appeal.

mnottertail -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/6/2015 6:37:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail atheism is not a religion since it does not meet the necessary and sufficient conditions of the definition of religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. a particular system of faith and worship. a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance. another dictionary : the belief in a god or in a group of gods : an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods : an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group As it seems to me, the elephant in the room is that none of those definitions are sufficiently definitive. Some schools of Buddhism would fail to meet either of the primary definitions, and in both cases the third allows for anything to be a "religion." K. Agreed that they are not sufficient. However, Buddha is not a god, yet he is revered and worshipped (not in the common sense) as the model to become as a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance. But, my failings in religions necessary and sufficient conditions still are pretty much prima facie proof that atheism by definition excludes religion. Seems to me, while doing a ganesh on elephants discourse, that atheists are primarily disinterested in the fairytale. Seems to me also that the bulk of athiests go to no service reinforcing their athiesm, have no particular trappings or symbols, have no numbered texts or sacred texts of their life lessons, make no imagery dedicated to the nothing, and so on.......A very committed atheist rather than anyone who for any reason points out the discrepancies and flaws of the bible for instance, which is not a religion, but a philosophical arguement, would simply say: look, this is asswipe, I don't believe it, have no reason to believe it, and my experience tells me that it is not and cannot be true.

thompsonx -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/6/2015 10:42:12 AM)
ORIGINAL: KenDckey I think she may stand a chance but only because the Fed allowed those of the Sikh faith to wear beards and turbins in the military No they did not.

Kirata -> RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marriage license order (11/6/2015 1:38:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: sorry there is no obvious connection between rome jews and the us gubblemint that applies to this topic. I can't speak for Kirata, of course, but I'm guessing he was thinking of Matthew 22:15-22. the problem is the gubblemint is trespassing, matthew has nothing to do with gubblemint over-reach in violation of rights, only taxes. The question never reaches the issue of rights. She's basing her claim on her alleged Christian morality. But if we credit Christ with some passing knowledge of the liabilities involved, then signing a marriage license doesn't make her complicit in the "sin" of homosexuality any more than paying taxes made a Jew complicit in the sins of Rome. The woman is a fraud. K.

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