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Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex marria... - 11/4/2015 8:00:44 PM   
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/04/us/kim-davis-kentucky-appeal/index.html

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RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex ma... - 11/5/2015 2:30:32 AM   
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RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex ma... - 11/5/2015 4:16:00 AM   
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RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex ma... - 11/5/2015 4:22:43 AM   
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RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex ma... - 11/5/2015 4:27:22 AM   
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I think she may stand a chance but only because the Fed allowed those of the Sikh faith to wear beards and turbins in the military


I do not believe you think at all.

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RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex ma... - 11/5/2015 5:49:28 AM   
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The issue here is she is refusing to issue marriage licenses on the grounds of her religion, which is not protected under the constitution. There are officers of the Hindu faith in the US military, and must, regardless of their beliefs, treat Sikhs with the same respect as due other members of the Armed Services.

The constitution protects her right only in the private sector, as a public administrator or elected she is required by law to follow the laws, both federal and local.

If this is a problem, she can resign.

For her to win the case, she would have to prove the laws of the United States, as well as the constitution are based on Christian moral law, which has been tried in the past and lost.



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RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex ma... - 11/5/2015 6:01:29 AM   
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I think she may stand a chance but only because the Fed allowed those of the Sikh faith to wear beards and turbins in the military


For the two years I was in viet nam I never shaved once...I am an athiest. I have been on several submarines and roughly half the crew including the skipper sported beards. So it may not be a religious thing at all.

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RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex ma... - 11/5/2015 8:04:59 AM   
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I realize its really a complex subject that requires an iq of at least 20 but atheist and a Sikh are not the same religion. Which means that it is not a religion for the atheist but is a religion for the Sikh.

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RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex ma... - 11/5/2015 8:23:47 AM   
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I think she may stand a chance but only because the Fed allowed those of the Sikh faith to wear beards and turbins in the military

As usual you are wrong. sikhs are not allowed to wear turbins or beards. They are required to submit a request for permision to have long hair,beards and turbins. If their c.o. apporves then it is done if not then not.

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RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex ma... - 11/5/2015 8:25:30 AM   
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Actually, the two issues are unrelated.

The issue here is she is refusing to issue marriage licenses on the grounds of her religion, which is not protected under the constitution. There are officers of the Hindu faith in the US military, and must, regardless of their beliefs, treat Sikhs with the same respect as due other members of the Armed Services.

The constitution protects her right only in the private sector, as a public administrator or elected she is required by law to follow the laws, both federal and local.

If this is a problem, she can resign.

For her to win the case, she would have to prove the laws of the United States, as well as the constitution are based on Christian moral law, which has been tried in the past and lost.




Private only? So then according to you the constitution does not protect free speech nor search and seizure in public? Because if it does protect our liberties, it does protect against warrant-less search/seizure in public, and it does protect free speech in public, and since liberty refers to protections [in]public then you have a lot of explaining to do why the constitution is cherry picking since there is no phrase or clause to that effect in any of the constructive documents nor history in either US or UK law?

So then you think that she has to give up her religion for the state? Tell that to all nazis they hung after the Nuremberg trials because they did not exercise conscientious objection [religion] to the holocausting the jews.

Its seems your version of law is contradictory if not hypocritical.

Resign? The gubblemint has an obligation to legislate law based upon it legitimate jurisdiction. Maybe the gubblemint is operating outside its jurisdiction and either needs to change it procedures or get out of the marriage licensing business? Unless of course you can show how a court of the US can legislate with respect to religion?

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RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex ma... - 11/5/2015 8:25:41 AM   
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I realize its really a complex subject that requires an iq of at least 20 but atheist and a Sikh are not the same religion. Which means that it is not a religion for the atheist but is a religion for the Sikh.


In spite of your stated iq of 20 the sikh are not allowed to do as they please.

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RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex ma... - 11/5/2015 8:30:29 AM   
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That she should be allowed to discriminate?



So you think the constitution is subject to discrimination code?

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RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex ma... - 11/5/2015 8:33:47 AM   
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I realize its really a complex subject that requires an iq of at least 20 but atheist and a Sikh are not the same religion. Which means that it is not a religion for the atheist but is a religion for the Sikh.


In spite of your stated iq of 20 the sikh are not allowed to do as they please.




more of your same illiterate flatulence.



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RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex ma... - 11/5/2015 9:19:39 AM   
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RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex ma... - 11/5/2015 10:25:00 AM   
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Feel free to disabuse me of my ignorance. The current law is that it is on a case by case bassis subject to the commanders discretion.



and that commander does not have the final word so your intended point is a waste of font ink.

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RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex ma... - 11/5/2015 10:28:16 AM   
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Feel free to disabuse me of my ignorance. The current law is that it is on a case by case bassis subject to the commanders discretion.



and that commander does not have the final word so your intended point is a waste of font ink.



Cite please

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RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex ma... - 11/5/2015 10:31:18 AM   
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Feel free to disabuse me of my ignorance. The current law is that it is on a case by case bassis subject to the commanders discretion.



and that commander does not have the final word so your intended point is a waste of font ink.


Oh, it is fairly final, don't see any cases going to the SCOTUS.

Although, the Army is less stringent than the other branches, and will not make you hold to your enlistment contract until it is determined whether or not you have that waiver, and decide from there.

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RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex ma... - 11/5/2015 10:34:27 AM   
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RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex ma... - 11/5/2015 10:44:49 AM   
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these ground pounders cant see life beyond their co lol




The co of a platoon is usually a lt.
The co of a company is usually a capt.
The co of a batallion is usually a lt col.
The co of a regiment is usually a col
The co of a division is usually a general.
The co of a corps is usually a general.
the co of an army is usually a general.
So which of these cos is the final authorty?
We are all anxiously awaiting your cite to disabuse us of our ignorance?
Until such time none of us will be holding our breath.

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RE: Kim Davis' lawyers file new appeal over same-sex ma... - 11/5/2015 10:46:49 AM   
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a jury

odd thats not on your list.

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