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Objectification - 11/7/2015 7:46:19 AM

MistressMarie50

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I was asked in a PM what I liked about objectification and thought it might be a good discussion topic.

I find objectification quite interesting. And often I think there's so many ways to look at it, it is hard to know for sure why I find it so. For example, one could say that if you put a hood on a sub, you are removing their individuality or perhaps distancing yourself from their humanity. On the other hand, sometimes it feels like just what objectifies also creates more intense intimacy between dom and sub as it can free us to act closer to our core desires.

What are your thoughts about objectification? What do you like or not like about it?

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RE: Objectification - 11/7/2015 7:53:00 AM

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for some, it is the feeling of the absolving of responsibility for their actions, and thereby they escape any guilt. They don't have to think, just do.

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RE: Objectification - 11/7/2015 8:05:01 AM

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I think when it comes to objectification, I prefer less the type that's "taking away individuality" such as hoods but I do really enjoy turning a person into a piece of furniture as well as sexual objectification. Turning someone into furniture I just like the aesthetics of it, plus it sends a very strong message that the person is there to be used however I see fit. Sexual objectification I'm only interested in doing with males, probably because it's a bit of role reversal and I get to use them like the piece of meat many men view women as. Why exactly I find these things hot I don't think I'll ever know for sure.

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RE: Objectification - 11/7/2015 1:47:09 PM

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Assuming the post is serious, Objectification is a topic that can't be "correctly" answered, but, the OP can cull out their own personal conclusion from the almost certainly differing opinions that may arise.

With that disclaimer, what I found fantastic about what I consider "objectification" to be, is that the object is a toy, a tool, chattel if you will, that performs a task to an end result.

Just as a hammer (noun) hammers (verb) nails into wood to produce a house (results), the objectified person (or select usable parts thereof) is used as an object (noun) to perform an action (verb), usually with some expected set of stated results.

If people don't agree with that general description above, then I will learn something new, but, if we assume my fundamentals are correct, we can then delve into the specific "insert noun here" and various and sundry "insert verb here" to produce "insert expected results here".

Purely by way of single illustration (and hopefully not to promote wank fodder nor to incite ire), one potential example of being used as an object would be if your owner were to instruct you to "fuck her 3 friends silly" in the next hour ... "or else".

It should be apparent that, in this situation, given the biological propensity of men to consider a woman and a ham sandwich equally interesting within moments of your initial orgasmic letdown, you're not supposed to cum after the first, nor after the second woman has been sated by the incessant testosterone-fueled pounding you are to deliver to each, and the "or else" menacingly implies that a riding crop or other incentive impetus of her choosing may certainly be utilized to spur you to maintain your fast and furious goal-oriented attitude until THEY are ALL satisfied (your needs, wants, and desires being nearly meaningless, except for your one stated goal of obeying and pleasing your owner by satisfying her stated wishes).

Of course, given almost any combination of the "noun", "verb", and "expected results", an infinite number of objectification possibilities arise, limited only by her imagination...

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ORIGINAL: MistressMarie50
I was asked in a PM what I liked about objectification

At the risk of invoking the ire of the do-me-sub antagonists with my kink, to try to answer your question of what "I" personally like being objectified, you can cut-and-paste this into the PM you received by way of form-letter response:

To me (that's you, the sub), it's a great feeling to be used merely for my assemblage of strengths, such as (insert your strengths that you think the Dominant will appreciate here) so that you (that's the Dominant) may use me (that's you) as a tool for your (that's the Dominant's) specific desires.

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RE: Objectification - 11/7/2015 3:08:44 PM

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I love sexual objectification - being treated like a sex object, being used as an object, etc. What you might call depersonalisation.

I'm not so much into being an actual non sexual object.

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RE: Objectification - 11/7/2015 10:53:39 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail
for some, it is the feeling of the absolving of responsibility for their actions, and thereby they escape any guilt. They don't have to think, just do.

This is usually what I run across, for truth. It's also what I don't like about objectification in those who seek to be objectified.

The flipside is this. Those who want to be objectified, ostensibly by some indeterminate number of Special Someones (which may not always be the case -- the compunction may extend to [virtual] strangers), are the same persons who are frequently blindsided when they themselves objectify others.
It's not just an F/m or M/m thing either. I hear about it from the M/f and F/f side on a smaller scale.

For whatever reason, I'd like to pitch this question out there. Is there a submissive - including sub-leaning switches - out there who doesn't want or enjoy being objectified in one way or another???

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ORIGINAL: sweetieDA
I love sexual objectification - being treated like a sex object, being used as an object, etc. What you might call depersonalisation.

I'm not so much into being an actual non sexual object.

Now this is the only component of objectification that I can understand.
I can't relate to it myself personally and absolutely hate being objectified in any way, but I can understand the sexual charge that partners get out of this, or the emotional gratification that comes with an Owner/pet-property dynamic.

The human furniture stuff? No, just no. Nor do I understand inanimate object (be it shoes or fetish gear) and/or body-part fetishes where the object supplants the person of the human subject.

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RE: Objectification - 11/28/2015 7:14:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: EdgeQueen
Turning someone into furniture I just like the aesthetics of it, plus it sends a very strong message that the person is there to be used however I see fit.

That encapsulates some of its appeal to me. Like most BDSM topics, objectification has many varieties. I kind of like them all. They emphasize the condition of submitting.

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RE: Objectification - 11/28/2015 7:38:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

for some, it is the feeling of the absolving of responsibility for their actions, and thereby they escape any guilt. They don't have to think, just do.

No. Objectification is the removal of agency, not responsibility.

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RE: Objectification - 11/28/2015 9:31:44 PM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
for some, it is the feeling of the absolving of responsibility for their actions, and thereby they escape any guilt. They don't have to think, just do.

No. Objectification is the removal of agency, not responsibility.

He did say for some, meaning for some submissives.

Submissive or not, wanting to play a passive part in any interaction does provide the illusory feeling of not having to take responsibility for one's actions and for the actions of others.

How many times have you heard submissives voice these very same sentiments over and over again?
- To be "relieved of the burden of making decisions" by having a Dominant make decisions FOR them
- The welcome (to them) sense of freedom in having their Dominant be responsible for all or most aspects of their personal life. . .
How is that not the removal of a sense of responsibility?
Note that I am not saying that it DOES remove them from taking personal responsibility for their actions or inactions. It is that feeling of being absolved which they wish to capture.

I will again address this question to the gallery: Is there a submissive in the house who does NOT want or enjoy being objectified in one way or another?

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RE: Objectification - 11/29/2015 2:05:50 AM

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as a slave I would have no problem being treated as my owner sees fit to do so as I am for her pleasure for me I would not get a direct fulfillment from just objectification itself but if it brought pleasure for my owner then I would not from being the object but the pleasure I was providing to my owner

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RE: Objectification - 11/29/2015 2:49:32 AM

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quote:

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I will again address this question to the gallery: Is there a submissive in the house who does NOT want or enjoy being objectified in one way or another?[/color]

Yup. I don't do objectification. I don't find it humiliating or exciting or some wonderful way to please my Master. I find it cold, tedious, irritating and pointless. So I chose a man who has similar views to me and we don't do it.

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RE: Objectification - 11/29/2015 3:09:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bunnicula
Yup. I don't do objectification. I don't find it humiliating or exciting or some wonderful way to please my Master. I find it cold, tedious, irritating and pointless. So I chose a man who has similar views to me and we don't do it.

That's interesting to me, because I have yet to run across a male submissive (or a female in one-on-one interactions, which is significantly less often) whose kinks and fetishes and whose conceptualized vision of D/s doesn't revolve around objectification of self.

If it's not too personal of me to ask, do you categorize sexual objectification differently? Other than with a non-sexual service sub (wanting non-sexual types of objectification, and even then many express a willingness to be "forced" sexually as Master's Right or Mistress' Right), this seems to be the prevailing hallmark of D/s sexual dynamics.

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RE: Objectification - 11/29/2015 3:19:05 AM

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I don't know if I'm a 'standard' submissive type, but it's just my general nature to be submissive to the one I love. I gave Master the right to have sex with me any time and in any way he wanted right at the start. And to be honest, I love it when he does so.

I don't ever feel objectified during sex, no matter how rough or kinky it gets, no matter what names he calls me - I know he loves me and this is just our way of showing our physical love for each other.

Maybe some of things that we do may be called 'objectification' by others, but it certainly doesn't feel that way to me.

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RE: Objectification - 11/29/2015 3:39:29 AM

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To add to tha Bunni's description, most of our interactions with potential sub/slaves have also not viewed their submissiveness as any sort of 'objectification' either.
There have been some, but the vast majority have not thought that their position is objectification.

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RE: Objectification - 11/29/2015 3:40:01 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bunnicula
I don't know if I'm a 'standard' submissive type, but it's just my general nature to be submissive to the one I love. I gave Master the right to have sex with me any time and in any way he wanted right at the start. And to be honest, I love it when he does so.

I don't ever feel objectified during sex, no matter how rough or kinky it gets, no matter what names he calls me - I know he loves me and this is just our way of showing our physical love for each other.

Maybe some of things that we do may be called 'objectification' by others, but it certainly doesn't feel that way to me.

Cool, so it's not something you deliberately seek out or hope for.

Frankly, it annoys the heck out of me when all I hear is "objectify-me, objectify-me" talk coming from subs. I kinda want to take them and shake them by the shoulders to get them to snap out of it.

I've been fortunate to have had the few that I have had who weren't like that. Yes, there was sexual objectification, but it was kept at a tolerable (tolerable to me!) minimum.
I guess it's because for the life of me, I can't fathom how anybody would want to be treated as less than special, as less of a person and not as the uniquely, wondrously crafted individual who they truly are.

Then, of course, there are those who expect to be the center of their little universes, the main subject of every subject. Oh wait, that would be the majority of us who identify as Dominant, wouldn't it?

DreamLady

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RE: Objectification - 11/29/2015 5:29:23 AM

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quote:

What are your thoughts about objectification? What do you like or not like about it?

I fucking love objectification.
Strip a slut of her face, identity, personhood. Reduce it to nothing but a set of holes.
Treat it accordingly.
Reduce from pronoun to an it.

What do I like about it?
The power involved, the control. The fact that if it's an object it simply gets used. No questions, no discussion. Just like I don't ask My car which way it wants to turn, I treat the bitch the same way, like the walking meat it is.

Fuccccck, what's not hot about that?

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RE: Objectification - 11/29/2015 5:59:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
I will again address this question to the gallery: Is there a submissive in the house who does NOT want or enjoy being objectified in one way or another?

Not this one.

That is, if you invited me to your place, and stripped me nekked, and then you strapped on a face dildo and told me to use my face as a pleasure toy, I'd enjoy that (as long as you truly enjoyed being brought to pleasurable levels, and as long as you weren't faking it).

Likewise, if you found I had a pretty cock, and if you playfully played with "it" (not with "me" mind you, but with "it") joyfully and gleefully, I'd enjoy that (as long as you really did enjoy playing with it and if you weren't faking it for my sake).

And finally, if you invited friends over to see how nicely your pet responded to your training commands, and you ordered me to obey you as your "pet" and to impress your friends with how well I behaved, I'd roll over, beg, bark, sniff, and do whatever you had trained me to do (as long as you and your friends enjoyed the process).

Is any of that objectification?
If so, sign me up!

PS: Does that admission above make you think lesser of me?

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RE: Objectification - 11/29/2015 11:12:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: crumpets

PS: Does that admission above make you think lesser of me?

No, why should it? You know what gets your motor running, and you are able to articulate it clearly.

The only part I would question (in general, not out of any personal interest) is how much of this is farfetched imaginings which should stay in the fantasy realm.
The usual question of fantasy meeting reality, the sub drop which might ensue once you fall into buyer's remorse.

On a personal level, it would just make it abundantly clear to me that we wouldn't be a suitable match and wouldn't meet one another's needs, that's all.

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RE: Objectification - 11/30/2015 11:43:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady

On a personal level, it would just make it abundantly clear to me that we wouldn't be a suitable match and wouldn't meet one another's needs, that's all. [/color]

And yet while I was looking it was totally amazing how many dominant guys' kinks just happened to align totally with mine, until it came time for reality. Honest communication would have saved everyone a hell of a lot of time!

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RE: Objectification - 11/30/2015 1:16:50 PM

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As a fantasy or mental musing I agree with Kana, however for me it just doesn't work if it is actually played out in real life. I just don't have the kind of personality that can bounce back from being 'it' to being 'me' without problems. It doesn't stay hot for me, it does the opposite and I shut down emotionally.

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ORIGINAL: Kana

quote:

What are your thoughts about objectification? What do you like or not like about it?

I fucking love objectification.
Strip a slut of her face, identity, personhood. Reduce it to nothing but a set of holes.
Treat it accordingly.
Reduce from pronoun to an it.

What do I like about it?
The power involved, the control. The fact that if it's an object it simply gets used. No questions, no discussion. Just like I don't ask My car which way it wants to turn, I treat the bitch the same way, like the walking meat it is.

Fuccccck, what's not hot about that?

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