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personagrata -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (11/16/2015 9:29:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chattelmansub Whichever you are please define exactly what either of those terms mean to you and are they interchangeable are separate servile descriptive terms? A submissive is someone who accepts the superiority of another, or who feels certain others are superior, and wants to interact with those others in a submissive way. Slave goes beyond that, in as much as one is subservient to the extreme. Ownership, absolute obedience, unconditional surrender, are traits. They are not interchangeable. A slave has submissive traits, but goes beyond. And one is not a slave without an owner (or master/mistress…,). I have used the terms “slave to” or “potential slave”, rather than “slave” only.

catize -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (11/16/2015 10:47:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: personagrata quote: ORIGINAL: chattelmansub Whichever you are please define exactly what either of those terms mean to you and are they interchangeable are separate servile descriptive terms? A submissive is someone who accepts the superiority of another, or who feels certain others are superior, and wants to interact with those others in a submissive way. Slave goes beyond that, in as much as one is subservient to the extreme. Ownership, absolute obedience, unconditional surrender, are traits. They are not interchangeable. A slave has submissive traits, but goes beyond. And one is not a slave without an owner (or master/mistress…,). I have used the terms “slave to” or “potential slave”, rather than “slave” only. I would disagree, as most submissive folk are only submissive to one who they believe is capable of leadership in their particular relationship. This does not mean I feel a dominant in my life is superior in any way. And where exactly is this "beyond''where a slave may go that a submissive cannot or will not? Is that like the old world maps "HERE there be dragons" ????

personagrata -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (11/17/2015 12:48:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: catize quote: ORIGINAL: personagrata quote: ORIGINAL: chattelmansub Whichever you are please define exactly what either of those terms mean to you and are they interchangeable are separate servile descriptive terms? A submissive is someone who accepts the superiority of another, or who feels certain others are superior, and wants to interact with those others in a submissive way. Slave goes beyond that, in as much as one is subservient to the extreme. Ownership, absolute obedience, unconditional surrender, are traits. They are not interchangeable. A slave has submissive traits, but goes beyond. And one is not a slave without an owner (or master/mistress…,). I have used the terms “slave to” or “potential slave”, rather than “slave” only. I would disagree, as most submissive folk are only submissive to one who they believe is capable of leadership in their particular relationship. This does not mean I feel a dominant in my life is superior in any way. And where exactly is this "beyond''where a slave may go that a submissive cannot or will not? Is that like the old world maps "HERE there be dragons" ???? Who you submit to is certainly your choice, and yes, it makes sense you feel they’re the leader. Some believe submissiveness and dominance are a precondition (such as being left handed or right handed), some don’t, but that’s beyond this discussion. You disagree with my usage of the word superior. It may have to be with definitions. Sub means under. Super(ior) means above. So, literally speaking, the sub is below his dom, or superior. And for the word beyond, many a slave to be want to take that final decision, go beyond that final threshold… take that last free decision, where there is no going back. This is a major difference between slave and sub. Subs tend to have a say in the relationship, and can be in an on and off situation. Slavery is more often seen as absolute, no going back, no decision on the slave side, etc… more often, not always. To each their own interpretation. I, for one, view slavery as absolute, and assume my rights are transferred to my Owner, once enslaved. This is why I don’t see myself a slave one day, a sub another.

catize -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (11/17/2015 9:39:29 PM)
Perhaps it is a matter of definitions, but 'superiority' to me would be that the dominant/master is infallible but guess what, they are human. I would much rather follow someone who takes my thoughts into consideration; who sees me as a person with a brain who can be delegated to and trusted to do what the dominant deems best for the relationship. Also, submissive is certainly not 'less than' in any way shape or form. Defining the difference between submissive and slave is like trying to define “what is a dog?” We can say a dog has 4 legs and fur but so does a cat or a squirrel. We can say a dog has 4 legs and fur and barks-- but not all dogs bark. We can say a dog has 4 legs and fur and barks, but what breed is it? A chihuahua? A rottweiler? A mutt? Would it not be an unfortunate pairing if the chihuahua and great dane are mated? If I say I own a dog, you may be able to have a general idea that I have a 4 legged furry barking creature in my home, but until I inform you what sort of dog I own you can't know anything more than that. Perhaps I am a dog person who just wants a dog, or perhaps I prefer poodles as suiting my tastes- the dominant men in my life did not want to be a master, and therefore did not want a slave. As you say, it is a choice between each couple what 'title' they prefer. Even a slave, whether they believe so or not can choose to leave if they find their situation untenable. So again, I ask where is this 'beyond' where slaves go and submissive folk cannot? To me this indicates that you think slave is somehow BETTER THAN submissive. I most heartily disagree.

experiment2 -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (11/18/2015 4:52:19 AM)
i think of myself as a male who wishes to be a submissive to the right female and fantasizes about being slave to that female.

personagrata -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (11/19/2015 11:39:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: catize Perhaps it is a matter of definitions, but 'superiority' to me would be that the dominant/master is infallible but guess what, they are human. I would much rather follow someone who takes my thoughts into consideration; who sees me as a person with a brain who can be delegated to and trusted to do what the dominant deems best for the relationship. Also, submissive is certainly not 'less than' in any way shape or form. Defining the difference between submissive and slave is like trying to define “what is a dog?” We can say a dog has 4 legs and fur but so does a cat or a squirrel. We can say a dog has 4 legs and fur and barks-- but not all dogs bark. We can say a dog has 4 legs and fur and barks, but what breed is it? A chihuahua? A rottweiler? A mutt? Would it not be an unfortunate pairing if the chihuahua and great dane are mated? If I say I own a dog, you may be able to have a general idea that I have a 4 legged furry barking creature in my home, but until I inform you what sort of dog I own you can't know anything more than that. Perhaps I am a dog person who just wants a dog, or perhaps I prefer poodles as suiting my tastes- the dominant men in my life did not want to be a master, and therefore did not want a slave. As you say, it is a choice between each couple what 'title' they prefer. Even a slave, whether they believe so or not can choose to leave if they find their situation untenable. So again, I ask where is this 'beyond' where slaves go and submissive folk cannot? To me this indicates that you think slave is somehow BETTER THAN submissive. I most heartily disagree. If you’re willing to go all the way for your owner, no questions asked, and promise to honor their will, no questions asked, anticipate their wants and plan accordingly, strive to please them even at the expense of your comfort and any boundaries, derive pride and satisfaction from that, and are willing and pledge to do even more, you’re still free to label yourself a submissive, but that’s a definition of slave in my book. And no I never mentioned better, nor implied it.

DarkstMyst -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (11/25/2015 11:52:42 AM)
I know that I do not speak for everyone (though it would appear that some people agree with me), however, I measure the two terms in a manner of "degrees," so to speak. I view myself as a submissive, but never a slave. To me, a submissive is a person who willingly submits (or allows a power exchange to occur) to another but still has autonomy and the ability to be viewed as an "equal" to their dominant when it comes to areas outside the scene. Submissives may decide to defer to their dominant, however, they do not feel it is a necessity in all situations. I usually use the term "slave" to describe a person in a 24/7 TPE type of situation, one who has dedicated themselves to being in a subservient position at all times. I view slaves as people without autonomy. They defer to their dominants at all times. This does not mean that they can't give their opinions; it simply means that they agree that decisions will be made on their behalf regardless of whether or not it is expressly what they want.

OsideGirl -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (11/25/2015 2:57:45 PM)
IMO, voluntary slavery is an oxymoron. So, submissive.

littleclip -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (11/25/2015 9:02:51 PM)
yes this is one to use the like this post I asked support to see if it can be done quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP You're allowed to define words for yourself. However, since the rest of us don't share your definition, what's important is that you don't stop with just giving the label. You need to define it for potential partners. Me? I define sub as someone who has turned over authority in certain negotiated arenas of his or her life. Slave, someone who has turned over authority in all or almost all arenas. What you're missing in your definition is that many owners do take into account the preferences of their partners. Because that's what people who love each other do. So The Man isn't going to demand I go to a horror flick festival since he knows I won't sleep as a result. And since he cares about me, he's not going to demand things that will give me anxiety attacks. That's him making the decision to take my preferences and well being into account. And thus, when I demur going to a movie, I'm doing so with the authority he delegated to me. I said almost all since you can't turn over authority that others have over you or that you have over others, unless those others are capable of giving and do give informed consent. Meaning your owner can tell you to quit your job, but he can't tell you how to do it. Your manager is the only one with that authority. You can't, and shouldn't, give over authority over your children. Because they haven't accepted your new partner as a parent yet, and allowing the new partner to make decisions could well cause them major difficulties and that's wrong. samurai is a good one defending my owner with my life and serving as my owner sees fit

Kana -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (11/26/2015 4:27:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chattelmansub Whichever you are please define exactly what either of those terms mean to you and are they interchangeable are separate servile descriptive terms? The only title that matters is "Mine"

Aibo -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (11/26/2015 4:35:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl IMO, voluntary slavery is an oxymoron. So, submissive. It is? Hmm ask my ex and she still would claim our relationship were exactly that. Then again any attempt to describe our relationship would put a great strain on semantic science so that figures I guess. :P

Kana -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (11/26/2015 4:43:18 AM)
quote: IMO, voluntary slavery is an oxymoron. Actually, historically this isn't quite accurate. From the American race based slavery it is, but Greeks sometimes volunteered to become house slaves to Romans, usually as tutors and such. They did so because they were often given freedom and cash at the Masters death, but more importantly, the slaves kids would have Roman citizenship and all the rights and privileges that came long with that.

goingoffgrid -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (11/26/2015 6:39:46 AM)
everyone in america who has not filed a ucc1 form taken control of their commercially traded strawman is a slave to the state no matter what you call yourself ! look at these when you have time , it will open your eyes to the real matrix you were sold into https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhcuQM4W1fk https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=know+your+stawman https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=what+is+my+birth+certificate+worth

littleclip -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (11/26/2015 8:07:26 AM)
I am a slave to shopping and laundry

DannyIsNotWelcom -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (12/1/2015 10:48:47 PM)
You can't really make a distinction between a lowly part-time sub and a high grade fully trained slave. There are only pay grades ;-)

littleone35 -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (12/3/2015 9:09:54 PM)
Why do you say subs are part time? I am a full time sub and live with my Master. To th OP you ask 20 different people you will get 20 different answers. I don't like labels but i i say i am a sub cause it mostly fits. Matt's littleone

epiphiny43 -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (12/3/2015 10:52:50 PM)
I'm almost speechless at the richness of the irony in someone seeking precise definitions and distinctions between "slave" and "submissive", who isn't even clear on the difference between "or" and "are". Baby steps before great leaps in understanding?

a11aboutu -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (12/4/2015 5:47:18 AM)
Very simply, isn't the defining characteristic ownership? A slave in the truest sense is property. It can be treated and used in any way by it's owner. On this site and others like it, the term is used as a convenient way to describe a desired set of actions. It justifies a means to an end. This is both healthy and fun. In real life slavery, for most, is neither. Most slaves desire one thing... FREEDOM. 99.9% of the self acclaimed "slaves" on here are playing slave for selfish reasons. I know, in your mind you are thinking, how can offering yourself as a slave be selfish? Think about it... who's choice is it? Alas, I'm getting way to deep for the good of the cause. Whether slave or submissive, be safe and god bless.

ChrchofDrk -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (12/4/2015 10:59:16 PM)
I think it's all just bullshit anyway. I'm just here for the popcorn and party favors

heavenlylittle -> RE: Are you a slave are a submissive? (12/5/2015 4:14:09 AM)
I will be a submissive to a Dominant who I chose. As of now, I'm not 100% a submissive, but I am learning and taking precautions.

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