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Greta75 -> 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 12:38:58 AM)

Still kinda watching it.

But so far.

Rand Paul claims income disparity is the biggest in democrat governed states. If this is true. That's a pretty good argument as to why allowing dems to continue running the whole country will create more income disparity. I mean, how they govern a state is a pretty decent indication of how they will run a country.

Second of all, I love how Rand Paul is questioning Rubio like crazy about his excessive spending in his plans as a President that will put the country in worst debt, Trillions of dollars he plans to spend that the country don't have. As I said, Rubio is not fiscally conservative, he puts himself into personal financial struggles, real sign of money management issues, he will put the country through the same, and Rand kept attacking him about how is he going to pay for his increased military spending and all the tax rebates he wanna give to families. Rubio avoids how his gonna pay for it, and went to personally attack Rand Paul for being isolationist. Typical Rubio. He completely doesn't know at all where his gonna get the money to fund all his plans. This debate shows his ineptitude at money management so much.

Anyway, still watching.

Say whatever you want about Fox News, at least their moderators are more professional at their jobs. And are asking more serious questions.

I wish the dem candidates won't be such cowards and just have a debate with Fox Business too.





Greta75 -> RE: 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 1:09:33 AM)

I can't stop agreeing with everything Trump says! I mean, that's what I been saying myself all the time. USA need to stop being the benevolent police of the world. They need to force or inspire other countries to chip in and take more responsibility to get more heavily involved with world's problems.

He was defending why his happy to let Putin take care of ISIS. To get that debt back up to 0, unnecessary war spending should be as conservative as possible. And how all that money should be invested in taking care of US, and not other countries.

Commenting as I am watching, what trump is true. Who are these Syria rebels that US are arming and funding? Who are they and how are they better than Assad?

I mean, it's just hypocrisy, since US partners with evil Saudi Arabians who practically enslaves women and denies them of any right. So how evil is Assad compared to the Saudi government?

Poor Jeb keeps choking. Guess his debate coach didn't do a great job! The man is too nervous.





MrRodgers -> RE: 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 1:23:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

I can't stop agreeing with everything Trump says! I mean, that's what I been saying myself all the time. USA need to stop being the benevolent police of the world. They need to force or inspire other countries to chip in and take more responsibility to get more heavily involved with world's problems.

He was defending why his happy to let Putin take care of ISIS. To get that debt back up to 0, unnecessary war spending should be as conservative as possible. And how all that money should be invested in taking care of US, and not other countries.

Commenting as I am watching, what trump is true. Who are these Syria rebels that US are arming and funding? Who are they and how are they better than Assad?

I mean, it's just hypocrisy, since US partners with evil Saudi Arabians who practically enslaves women and denies them of any right. So how evil is Assad compared to the Saudi government?



Would you call Bush II's and Obama's drone war continuing over 10 years after the invasion of a country for alleged WMD...benevolent police work ?

HERE

I've seen and heard the locals on youtube and others. One youngster who lost his family to a drone strike "Americans are butchers...Americans are scum."

Do we here comfortable in our pious righteousness, have a right to feel that those victims, their families and neighbors, don't have a right to call that...American terrorism ?




Lucylastic -> RE: 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 1:31:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

I can't stop agreeing with everything Trump says!


there is a reason for that..its a shame you cant see it.




Greta75 -> RE: 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 1:40:09 AM)

Trump will run America closest to how our government run our country. We are 300 billions in surpluses for a good reason. It works.

Anyway, I am loving the topics sooo much, I love how they are discussing the bail out. And if they would bail out again, if another financial crisis so big happened. Really good debate!

I am 50-50 on this issue on what they should do. But at the same time, the government have made money on the bail out. They got all their money back with interests, (okay, or at least that's what the companies who received bail out who markets themselves in my country claims).

Anyway, it's about it's a disgrace that companies are now getting bigger so they are too big to fail, because they just assume, the government has to step in to bail them out if they do. Great points, they cannot be feeling that type of security from the government.





Greta75 -> RE: 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 1:45:35 AM)

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I've seen and heard the locals on youtube and others. One youngster who lost his family to a drone strike "Americans are butchers...Americans are scum."

I don't know what you are objecting to? I said I agree with less interference. You thought the interference was more disasterous than good. Sounds like we agree. But I think Americans tend to villianise themselves, especially the libs. Like world war 2. In my country, you guys are our heroes for bombing Japan and we love you for that, our history textbooks paint you guys as war heroes. In the US, you call yourself terrorists for doing that.

Anyway, we felt it lead to the greater good.

I do not believe American Soldiers went into Iraq with the full intention at striking at innocent children and women. Of course mistakes happen, wrong intel, wrong info, innocents caught in clash, bombs dropped in wrong areas. Alot of shit happens in war.

Iraq was obviously a stupid mistake and many lessons need to be carefully learnt from it. That some necessary evil like Saddam is required to stick around to run countries like Iraq that just has different value system on humanity. It's the same reason they don't invade Saudi despite them being evil fucks as well.

There would be alot injustice in this world to solve, if they wanna continue to be world police. Endless. But too bad money coming in isn't unlimited.




Greta75 -> RE: 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 2:18:23 AM)

I am loving the Questions. "Hillary Clinton has more experience than ALL of you here! How are you guys better at running the country than her?"

Love it! I am paraphrasing, I think she said it more professionally, who is this female moderator, compared to the other one in CNBC, she's fantastic! So professional.





Lucylastic -> RE: 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 2:34:49 AM)

the first question
Trump and carson seem to think that the minimum wage is just fine
.
And that again the poor have to take a shafting, and suffer more than anyone else.




Lucylastic -> RE: 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 3:36:37 AM)

Cruz had it right..... The democrats are laughing at them. Rightly so




tweakabelle -> RE: 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 5:46:29 AM)

Jeb Lund, writing in The Guardian was somewhat less than impressed with the debate and the candidates:


"Both Paul and Bush should just drop out of the race, but there’s no reason to expect that they will, because dropping out would be the most practical outcome. If the Republican primary process were governed by the rigors of making any sense, no part of it as currently constructed would exist. Up is down, high is low, water is dry, we wear shoes on our heads, hamburgers eat people and everyone can and will run for president forever.

With Bush there’s some small reason to keep going even if he can’t win. Overlooking the fact that it has to gnaw at Bush’s ambition to forsake the presidency after his idiot brother had the job, a lot of people have sunk a lot of money into Jeb! 2016. Those people probably want a return on their investment, and Jeb! probably feels some obligation to give them a little effort for the cash. Meanwhile, Rand Paul has given every indication over the span of his career that there is no privilege of which he believes himself undeserving, so the process of matching his self-abnegation to the American people’s massive disinterest cannot happen overnight.

They’ll keep running, because they can, because nobody will tell them to stop, and because they don’t really know, in their heart of hearts, that it’s over and has been since the first debate.

And so they will go on, as we all must, heedless of the consequences, locked into a struggle unbounded by time or sanity, doomed to another five months of the same arguments, the same peevishness, the same victimization, the same existential threats, the same unreflective boasting, the same rage, the same, the same, the same. We have never had so much of the same for so long, and it will never leave. We have always been the caretakers here
.
"
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/29/jeb-bush-and-rand-paul-should-drop-out-instead-theyll-run-for-president-forever




PeonForHer -> RE: 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 5:51:30 AM)

quote:

I can't stop agreeing with everything Trump says!


You frighten me.




nighthawk3569 -> RE: 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 6:54:11 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

the first question
Trump and carson seem to think that the minimum wage is just fine
.
And that again the poor have to take a shafting, and suffer more than anyone else.



Nothing wrong with the minimum wage, at it's present rate. That's not the problem.

How many people, here, remember when the minimum wage was just $1.00 oer hour? I do. However, then a Coca-Cola was 5¢...gas was 30¢ per gallon...rib-eye steak was 99¢ per pound...a good pair of shoes cost $5.00(and I mean a good pair, that lasted). So working people were actually as well or better off.

When the minimum wage is raised, other things have already increased in price, in anticipation of the raise...so working people are that much further behind.

'hawk




Lucylastic -> RE: 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 7:06:12 AM)

you work for minimum wage and can make ends meet?




nighthawk3569 -> RE: 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 7:40:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

you work for minimum wage and can make ends meet?


I'm a disabled vetran, so I don't work. However, since your beloved president has decided NOT to give a COLA, this year...as he's done several times before...things will tighten up, especially if a minimum-wage increase goes into effect.

No matter what happens, working people(wage slaves)get further and further behind.

'hawk




Lucylastic -> RE: 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 8:04:13 AM)

he isnt my president:)

The purpose of the COLA is to ensure that the purchasing power of Social Security and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefits is not eroded by inflation. It is based on the percentage increase in the Consumer Price Index for Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers (CPI-W) from the third quarter of the last year a COLA was determined to the third quarter of the current year. If there is no increase, there can be no COLA.
Who determines the CPI-W?
The CPI-W is determined by the Bureau of Labor Statistics in the Department of Labor. By law, it is the official measure used by the Social Security Administration to calculate COLAs.




tj444 -> RE: 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 9:51:03 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

quote:

I can't stop agreeing with everything Trump says!


You frighten me.

she frightens me too, but just like her, there seems to be plenty of Americans that are lapping that BS of his up..




Wayward5oul -> RE: 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 10:26:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444


quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

quote:

I can't stop agreeing with everything Trump says!


You frighten me.

she frightens me too, but just like her, there seems to be plenty of Americans that are lapping that BS of his up..


I am hoping that it is a case where there are so many GOP candidates that public support is being divided between them too much to tell if there is any one person that is likely to have the support of the majority.

And that his outrageous behavior is garnering more coverage than other candidates, which is also translating into the perception of more support. The same thing is happening with Carson-the more off the rails he goes, the more coverage he is getting, and the more support he seems to be gathering.

I am hoping that as candidates fall by the wayside, then we will begin to see more support concentrated in favor of someone who is not one of these nutjobs.




MrRodgers -> RE: 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 11:42:01 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

I've seen and heard the locals on youtube and others. One youngster who lost his family to a drone strike "Americans are butchers...Americans are scum."

I don't know what you are objecting to? I said I agree with less interference. You thought the interference was more disasterous than good. Sounds like we agree. But I think Americans tend to villianise themselves, especially the libs. Like world war 2. In my country, you guys are our heroes for bombing Japan and we love you for that, our history textbooks paint you guys as war heroes. In the US, you call yourself terrorists for doing that.

Anyway, we felt it lead to the greater good.

I do not believe American Soldiers went into Iraq with the full intention at striking at innocent children and women. Of course mistakes happen, wrong intel, wrong info, innocents caught in clash, bombs dropped in wrong areas. Alot of shit happens in war.

Iraq was obviously a stupid mistake and many lessons need to be carefully learnt from it. That some necessary evil like Saddam is required to stick around to run countries like Iraq that just has different value system on humanity. It's the same reason they don't invade Saudi despite them being evil fucks as well.

There would be alot injustice in this world to solve, if they wanna continue to be world police. Endless. But too bad money coming in isn't unlimited.

The problem is that one's only logical conclusion and the world's new perception is that one, the US govt. now claims a right to decide who, when and where to attack. Pretty much don't give a shit about collateral damage that in its whole, the world perceives us now as preemptive warmongers and engage in collateral murder. (terrorism)

I would like to see a study (survey on the ground) in Panama of who can remember Operation Just Cause. The US military went in to get Noriega. He was a CIA asset...until he wasn't, dealt cocaine so we could have taken him easily with bribes and a coup.

NO, not good enough, the US killed 3000 (total) Panamanians to take him. How many of them think that was US terrorism ? I'd like to know. The US could have taken Saddam down...from the inside with a coup. But NO, that too was...not good enough.

Look, this has been going on since WWI, it is not news. There has always been an overriding enemy or cause that's supposed to justify this and we (the west) will even concoct the enemy or cause if need be.

Oh and BTW, it's not western society that does this. It is the western banking and industrial cartels that do this. They get the taxpayers to pay, have no democratic control and look at who the real winners are...every time.




LadyConstanze -> RE: 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 12:05:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

quote:

I can't stop agreeing with everything Trump says!


You frighten me.


I just wonder if she can walk and chew gum at the same time




hot4bondage -> RE: 4th republican debate (11/11/2015 12:48:07 PM)

Rand seemed more relaxed and focused this time. He challenged Fiorina's no-fly zone, Rubio's big spending, Trump's TPP/China bullshit...

Jeb lacks confidence, as he should.

Whatever momentum Kasich got in the first debate is long gone. He seems desperate now.

Trump was "stable-mates" with Putin on 60 Minutes? Ugh. Carly naturally assumed that he meant they shared a green room. Nope. The truth is even more pathetic.

I keep telling myself--and everyone that'll listen--that Trump's not a serious candidate, but lately it's dawned on me that this is Reality TV. He's in his element. Oh God help us.




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