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zombiegurlsos -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 10:30:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic oooooh lets kill everyone weeeeeeeee[sm=halloweensmiley_41.gif] putting on my tin foil hat about now.... Roger... roger

PeonForHer -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 10:34:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: zombiegurlsos Yes just awful and no one understands or wants to really fix the problem quote: ORIGINAL: zombiegurlsos ....is that these so called Muslims are not really Muslims, just desperate ideology trying to make it impact on the world before it is regulated to the trash bin of history...... I'll just say my piece and retire, because I know it's not popular. [8\|] No doubt I'll get castigated for even putting this PoV yet again. Many people 'understand' the problem. The problem is.... they don't want to admit to what the problem is exactly. Yes, these are Muslims. Real Muslims (in their eyes). Everybody is talking about how these are radicalized Islamics causing havoc. They aren't radicalized, they are just realizing that Islam and the west is like a square peg in a round hole problem. They are just following what the Qoran is telling them. That holy book that is the fundamental backbone that they are supposed to live by. Those holy pages that are drummed into them all their lives from birth. They are no different than us in the west who fundamentally live by the ten commandments that our society use for a bedrock. The problem is - they are fundamentally different and diametrically opposed views of what societal norms should be. And that is the problem - at its roots. There are many Muslims and Islamics that live peacefully among us. They do that by either - 1) keeping their true feelings hidden behind closed doors for the sake of living a better life in another country because their own country is torn by war; 2) for those wanting to live by the Qoran, they do these attrocious acts and we call them 'radicalized' for following their religion to the letter. To me, it's obvious... and has been for some time. True Islam, even a very moderate view, is anathema to the western way of life. The two views clash on a number of fundamental differences. There is just no way that the two lifestyles can co-exist without one or other giving a lot of ground; and in our western society, that means the Islamic faith has to bend beyond their base teachings. Some won't bend that far and think it is wrong to do so - we call those 'radicalized'. Those that stand up and DO something about it, we call those 'extremists'. No doubt people will (and already have) called me an Islamophobe. I'm just spelling it out as I see it. It is two groups of people that are fundamentally different in both their societal and religious views. In their countries, western people are expected to live by the way they do. In the west, we expect them to live as we do. And what do you do when those views directly clash??? In the ME, those westerners are punished according to their rather harsh (by our standards) religious laws. We get outraged by it and our respective governments usually intervene at some point. In the west, we tend to jail those causing havoc and call them radicalized or extremists. Or, alternatively, they go back to their roots and declare war upon the west, and again we call them extremists. Either way, the two ideologies cannot peacefully co-exist in entirety. And there is the root of the problem. So.... what do we (in the west) do about the problem?? Simple question, not easily answered. Considering that almost all non-Islamic religions are able to live alongside each other reasonably well, that only leaves one sensible solution: those that choose to live in the west must accept our way of life to such an extent that their religious teaching must take second place; or they are removed back to their own Islamic country. FD, I really haven't got the heart right now to replay old and stale arguments for the zillionth time. Re 'Many people 'understand' the problem. The problem is.... they don't want to admit to what the problem is exactly.' It's an eternal and royally grinding pain in the arse when I see the view retailed - as it often is - that people would see everything your way - viz, that our enemy here is the entire Islamic faith - if only we would have the courage to take off our our rose-tinted, PC goggles. That's just a conceit. It's a dangerous conceit, too - because it acts as a barrier to respecting, never mind understanding, arguments that oppose your own.

zombiegurlsos -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 10:35:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee When can we expect the sternly worded letter from the White House condemning the French for instigating this violence? (Failure to ban a flag maybe?) Or perhaps an emphatic hashtag. Sixty or so in body bags, and you're scoring partisan points? Too soon? How many body bags should I wait for? I eagerly await a wave of student protests across American college campuses against this violation of safe spaces in Paris. Yeah, Aylee. You know only the left is allowed to use tragedies to score political points. Consider yourself admonished by an expert. Michael This could be taken as argumentative if your overly entitled, but what makes anyone admonishments representative of a level of expertise?

zombiegurlsos -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 10:42:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail You are of course a political dumbass, not a conservative of any bent. Your saying the country of Syria, Putin, Kim Jong Il, and Obama are of equivalent political preference. You are a nobody, with nothing but a hallucinatory rant, devoid of fact, and presume to tell the tutored members here of some great knowledge you claim to possess, but demonstrably couldn't find your own ass with two hands and a flashlight. No, my bolshevik friend, you are nothing but a sad little nothing. Well in fairness does 51,000 posts make you anything but prolific in posting. I am not trying to start anything, but hyperbole is a poor substitute for truth and the ideal you are here to exchange ideals

zombiegurlsos -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 10:47:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: zombiegurlsos Yes just awful and no one understands or wants to really fix the problem quote: ORIGINAL: zombiegurlsos ....is that these so called Muslims are not really Muslims, just desperate ideology trying to make it impact on the world before it is regulated to the trash bin of history...... read a Qur'an before you try to understand the Qur'an And there is the root of the problem. So.... what do we (in the west) do about the problem?? Stop making problems in the oil producing countries FD, I really haven't got the heart right now to replay old and stale arguments for the zillionth time. Re 'Many people 'understand' the problem. The problem is.... we all need to look in the mirror here is the same without all the hyperbole

zombiegurlsos -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 10:53:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Words fail me. I cannot describe how horrible these senseless attacks are. While Paris and Parisians were the targets, in a very real sense we are all targeted, not only physically not only geographically, but also our values were square in the terrorist's sights. So our best responses is to show our solidarity with France, Paris and the French and also to re-examine and re-affirm the values of liberty equality and fraternity that we all believe in. We are all Parisians. Viva La France I am thinking of isolation as a very appropriate word here.... how about the West collectively isolate and forget about the east for a couple decades.....

zombiegurlsos -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 10:55:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: camsub2control you get an emphatic "you're a stupid cunt" from me having read the rest of the posts here so far In this particular case the word "cunt" might be considered an alcolade. That is a TOS violation thompsonx, the intent is not to insult 16,000 post you should of learned how to post without using insults... just saying....lol

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 12:08:59 PM)
Well, the problem is that Frances best fighting force is the french foreign legion... How successful was that force when it tried ot murder de gaulle?

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 12:15:34 PM)
As long as our so-called world leaders see climate change as our number one global threat, ISIS is the JV team, and is contained, then it will continue. Until isis poses a threat to all 7 billion people on the earth it will retain it's jv status.

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 12:17:37 PM)
ORIGINAL: JVoV Sorry. The efforts against ISIS, and other terrorist organizations that are wreaking havoc in the world need to be redoubled. Many consider the usa to be a terrorist organization????given our actions what do you think?

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 12:35:39 PM)
How did negotiating with Nazi work out? Here is a hint for those ignorant of the history of ww2. Those negotiations worked out just fine.

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 12:45:56 PM)
ORIGINAL: zombiegurlsos ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: camsub2control you get an emphatic "you're a stupid cunt" from me having read the rest of the posts here so far In this particular case the word "cunt" might be considered an alcolade. That is a TOS violation thompsonx, cite please the intent is not to insult 16,000 post you should of learned how to post without using insults... just saying....lol My intent was not to insult/disparage the term cunt by it's clearly inappropriate use.

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 12:49:57 PM)
ORIGINAL: adrift This sort of thing will continue to happen until the cost to the perpetrator becomes too high. That appears to be the msg. the "terrorist" seem to be sending to the usa,gb,spain,italy and france.

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 12:52:38 PM)
I am thinking of isolation as a very appropriate word here.... how about the West collectively isolate and forget about the east for a couple decades..... I take it you plan or riding a bicycle for a few decades?[8\|]

thompsonx -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 12:55:55 PM)
It was with very mixed emotions that I listened to Geraldo break down on live television because his daughter was alive when I remembered the guy giving away US Military positions on live television. I wondered how many parents cried with 72 hours of that cluster fuck? He works for faux snooze does he not? Imagine that right wing traitors on "fair and ballanced"[8\|]

kdsub -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 1:09:44 PM)
This is an often repeated argument just as Peon says…but this statement in itself is self condemning. Just as with the proliferation of guns in American which is the obvious cause of so much death and injury…so is the obvious proliferation of radicalism in the Muslim religion. It does amuse me how Peon and others rant on about guns in American yet continue to deny the obvious problems in the Muslim religion. They condemn, rightly in my opinion, those that deny the problems with the killing of innocents with the careless use and availability of guns. Yet crucify those that point out the lack of responsibility of Muslims to control the radicals among them. There have been too many arguments over the small radical part of Islam… too often so called moderate Muslims must be defended on these boards… Muslims need to defend themselves by killing the radicalism in their religion. Because if they don’t… they are guilty just as you say. Butch

NorthernGent -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 1:23:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: adrift This sort of thing will continue to happen until the cost to the perpetrator becomes too high. A group of people willing to turn up and shoot people knowing that it's near certain that they will be caught and incarcerated, aren't overly worried about the 'cost'. This reminds me a touch of Vietnam in that apparently the only way to end this is to 'blow them off the face of the earth'. Except when you left their country, that was that. They didn't follow you. They had achieved their goal. This is a reasonable point of view, not left-wing. You fuck about in someone's back garden and eventually they will turn on you. Try letting your dog shit all over your next door neighbours garden and you can guarantee a spat will ensue. I'm English and the IRA is a sore wound here. But, if we're going to be fair and reasonable about this, can we really expect any different when you've spent a good period of time bullying people? Here's my prediction and it is as close to a fact as an opinion can be. You will not blow them off the face of the earth, but they will make you and a few more leave the region. That is the inevitable outcome. The only question is: how many people have to die in the process.

bounty44 -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 1:32:35 PM)
northerngent, im not necessarily opposed to, or in disagreement with what you are directly saying, and perhaps implying, but I do have one small rejoinder that I think is worth the while. the types of muslims who are doing what is being done aren't the types to stay in their "region"---their goal is the world and the destruction of the west.

PeonForHer -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 1:34:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub This is an often repeated argument just as Peon says…but this statement in itself is self condemning. Just as with the proliferation of guns in American which is the obvious cause of so much death and injury…so is the obvious proliferation of radicalism in the Muslim religion. It does amuse me how Peon and others rant on about guns in American yet continue to deny the obvious problems in the Muslim religion. They condemn, rightly in my opinion, those that deny the problems with the killing of innocents with the careless use and availability of guns. Yet crucify those that point out the lack of responsibility of Muslims to control the radicals among them. There have been too many arguments over the small radical part of Islam… too often so called moderate Muslims must be defended on these boards… Muslims need to defend themselves by killing the radicalism in their religion. Because if they don’t… they are guilty just as you say. Butch Well done for bringing into this discussion the much more important and central matter of the availability of guns in the USA, Butch. I wouldn't have thought a massacre in Paris would have availed anybody of the possibility of swinging it all back to gun ownership in the USA, but I obviously reckoned without your splendidly-honed sense of priorities and your fervid imagination. I haven't denied the 'problems within the Muslim religion'. That is simply a cretinous straw man argument. I'm not religious and can't stand any religion - and most especially, at present, that of Islam. Why do chronically brainless lardheads like you always wade in with your tired old axes-to-grind, at the earliest possibility? Do you honestly think, with the years and years of evidence to the contrary, that your knee-jerk view of 'just smash the religion - end of problem' - will suddenly start to work? Why would you think that? Have you been entirely unhampered with any understanding of the world outside of the USA for the past half a century? And if it is a problem with the Muslim religion - what on earth do you propose we do about it? Pick a fight with 1.65 billion people on this planet and kick off a third world war about it? Look, to be blunt: thick American right wing peabrains haven't been able to work out solutions to most of the simplest and utterly basic problems facing the USA, to date. They keep on voting in the sort of lunatic who immediately sets about screwing up the world's problems even worse than they already are. What chance do you think you've got in working out solutions to problems here in Europe - which, let's face it, you'd have trouble even finding on a map, never mind begin to understand?

NorthernGent -> RE: Paris under attack (11/14/2015 1:39:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 northerngent, im not necessarily opposed to, or in disagreement with what you are directly saying, and perhaps implying, but I do have one small rejoinder that I think is worth the while. the types of muslims who are doing what is being done aren't the types to stay in their "region"---their goal is the world and the destruction of the west. Can't agree. The evidence tells us that the world needs to be more worried about the United States today, England a hundred years back, Spain/The Netherlands/France say a hundred years before that. It is a cast iron fact that if anyone has tried to achieve world domination it ain't these people in the OP. It is an astonishing thing that given everything we know about Western nations, and most of this is taught at primary school, we still tend to believe that we're in it for the good of the world. This is just factual. There can't be any disagreement because the evidence is staring everyone in the face.

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