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And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 3:19:06 AM   
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What happened in Paris was tragic, and yet a day before, ISIS had struck another city, but not in Europe.

Beirut mourns its dead; weathers comparisons to Paris

(CNN)As buildings lit up in the colors of the French flag, and the 129 people killed in Paris on Friday filled headlines, many people in Beirut felt the West -- and its news media -- had forsaken them.

A day before the French attacks, two suicide bombers had killed 43 people and wounded 239 more in the Lebanese capital in an ISIS-propagated murder.

The explosions detonated within 150 meters (490 feet) and five minutes of each other in the Bourj al-Barajneh district in southern Beirut on Thursday, Lebanon's state-run National News Agency said.

But on Friday, Western cameras turned away, focusing intently on France.


And these folks didnt even rate a footnote here, on these boards.

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RE: And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 5:30:27 AM   
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I didn't see you posting anything about the massacre of 2000 Nigerians a few months back either.

Point?

The folks here are interested mainly in arguing (1) about guns and (2) with each other.

It's not the International Times. And America is the blindest to international affairs.

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RE: And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 5:47:37 AM   
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Nor is the Beirut atrocity the only one to miss out:

In north west Kenya, 147 Garissa University students were massacred by Al-Shabab militants. Al-Shabab is a Somalian Al Quada affiliate, which is at war with Kenya after Kenya took military action against the group. Previously this group was responsible for the Westgate Shopping Mall atrocity in 2013 in which some 70 odd shoppers were mown down, and numerous atrocities in its Somalian base.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32169080

It seems Africa is even less sexy than Beirut.

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RE: And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 9:02:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

What happened in Paris was tragic, and yet a day before, ISIS had struck another city, but not in Europe.

Beirut mourns its dead; weathers comparisons to Paris

(CNN)As buildings lit up in the colors of the French flag, and the 129 people killed in Paris on Friday filled headlines, many people in Beirut felt the West -- and its news media -- had forsaken them.

A day before the French attacks, two suicide bombers had killed 43 people and wounded 239 more in the Lebanese capital in an ISIS-propagated murder.

The explosions detonated within 150 meters (490 feet) and five minutes of each other in the Bourj al-Barajneh district in southern Beirut on Thursday, Lebanon's state-run National News Agency said.

But on Friday, Western cameras turned away, focusing intently on France.


And these folks didnt even rate a footnote here, on these boards.

I have pointed out on multiple threads that they have killed more Moslems than they have Christians. ISIS is not just a threat to the west, but to everyone who doesn't accept their perverted version of Islam.

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RE: And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 9:10:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

What happened in Paris was tragic, and yet a day before, ISIS had struck another city, but not in Europe.

Beirut mourns its dead; weathers comparisons to Paris

(CNN)As buildings lit up in the colors of the French flag, and the 129 people killed in Paris on Friday filled headlines, many people in Beirut felt the West -- and its news media -- had forsaken them.

A day before the French attacks, two suicide bombers had killed 43 people and wounded 239 more in the Lebanese capital in an ISIS-propagated murder.

The explosions detonated within 150 meters (490 feet) and five minutes of each other in the Bourj al-Barajneh district in southern Beirut on Thursday, Lebanon's state-run National News Agency said.

But on Friday, Western cameras turned away, focusing intently on France.


And these folks didnt even rate a footnote here, on these boards.

Part of this is because of the impression that they are all "bad guys" and bad guys killing bad guys isn't that big a problem. Not saying that is the truth, but that is the impression.

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RE: And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 9:11:45 AM   
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When there’s a mass shooting in the United States, the right insists that no one use the phrase conservatives don’t want to hear (“gun control”). But when there’s deadly terrorism, the right insists that everyone use the phrase conservatives do want to hear (“Islamic terrorism”).

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/after-paris-republicans-renew-bitter-fight-over-semantics

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RE: And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 9:34:45 AM   
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I have a few thoughts/theories about the different reactions to Paris and Beirut:

-- Sad to say, Beirut has endured strife and violence for as long as I can remember, so we're numb to its sorrows. An attack of this sort in Paris, on the other hand, was a huge shock.

-- At least in my circle of friends and family, people felt a personal connection to Paris. We'd visited there, studied there, worked there, lived there, dreamed of visiting, and so forth. On my Facebook feed, I was struck by the number of folks who knew someone in Paris at the time of the attacks and feared for their loved ones' safety. I was also jolted, looking at a map of the attacks, by how the killers had struck places I'd been to myself.

-- Paris and the U.S. have a long, if sometimes thorny, shared history. We probably couldn't have battled Britain during the Revolution without French aid, and one of our most iconic emblems--the Statue of Liberty--was a gift from France.

-- The City of Lights has, I think, a special place in the world's (or maybe just Westerners') hearts. I know I'm not alone in thinking of it almost as the capital of civilization itself. A famous saying, variously attributed to both Franklin and Jefferson, says "Every man has two countries: France and his own." So the Paris massacre was an assault on the world's heart/soul in many eyes.

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RE: And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 9:35:54 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

When there’s a mass shooting in the United States, the right insists that no one use the phrase conservatives don’t want to hear (“gun control”). But when there’s deadly terrorism, the right insists that everyone use the phrase conservatives do want to hear (“Islamic terrorism”).

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/after-paris-republicans-renew-bitter-fight-over-semantics

Well they are Islamic terrotists, a perverted form of Islam to be sure, but that is what they are.

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RE: And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 9:51:59 AM   
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What matters ? The appeal to western demographics, marketing.

Plus, it's not just about who pays the media for news about Africa or the ME but it is in the west that fear must reign to justify what France is already on their way to doing...amending their constitution, as if that will make a difference.

It will, for the French, not the terrorists...let alone ISIS.

On a side note, I find it a strange logic that gun laws don't do anything to stop gun violence and I am not saying they do yet restricting other (civil) constitutional rights will magically cull out and stop the terrorists.

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RE: And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 9:56:33 AM   
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quote:

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I have a few thoughts/theories about the different reactions to Paris and Beirut:

-- Sad to say, Beirut has endured strife and violence for as long as I can remember, so we're numb to its sorrows. An attack of this sort in Paris, on the other hand, was a huge shock.

-- At least in my circle of friends and family, people felt a personal connection to Paris. We'd visited there, studied there, worked there, lived there, dreamed of visiting, and so forth. On my Facebook feed, I was struck by the number of folks who knew someone in Paris at the time of the attacks and feared for their loved ones' safety. I was also jolted, looking at a map of the attacks, by how the killers had struck places I'd been to myself.

-- Paris and the U.S. have a long, if sometimes thorny, shared history. We probably couldn't have battled Britain during the Revolution without French aid, and one of our most iconic emblems--the Statue of Liberty--was a gift from France.

-- The City of Lights has, I think, a special place in the world's (or maybe just Westerners') hearts. I know I'm not alone in thinking of it almost as the capital of civilization itself. A famous saying, variously attributed to both Franklin and Jefferson, says "Every man has two countries: France and his own." So the Paris massacre was an assault on the world's heart/soul in many eyes.

In a way you are echoing the OP, Paris was covered more because we care more. You are correct though that there has been so much violence in that region, and Africa, that we have been numbed by it.

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RE: And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 10:00:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

When there’s a mass shooting in the United States, the right insists that no one use the phrase conservatives don’t want to hear (“gun control”). But when there’s deadly terrorism, the right insists that everyone use the phrase conservatives do want to hear (“Islamic terrorism”).

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/after-paris-republicans-renew-bitter-fight-over-semantics

Well they are Islamic terrotists, a perverted form of Islam to be sure, but that is what they are.

you didnt read the link did you, lol


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RE: And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 10:02:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

When there’s a mass shooting in the United States, the right insists that no one use the phrase conservatives don’t want to hear (“gun control”). But when there’s deadly terrorism, the right insists that everyone use the phrase conservatives do want to hear (“Islamic terrorism”).

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/after-paris-republicans-renew-bitter-fight-over-semantics

Well they are Islamic terrotists, a perverted form of Islam to be sure, but that is what they are.

you didnt read the link did you, lol


As a source, I rank Madow right up there with Bozo the Clown

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RE: And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 10:07:17 AM   
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ISIS is a front for PETA this is PETA payback for all those fat and abused geese over the centuries... very clever PETA

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RE: And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 10:09:07 AM   
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So why in the 11th september don't you remember the victims of the golpe in chile?

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RE: And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 10:11:32 AM   
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Nor is the Beirut atrocity the only one to miss out:

In north west Kenya, 147 Garissa University students were massacred by Al-Shabab militants. Al-Shabab is a Somalian Al Quada affiliate, which is at war with Kenya after Kenya took military action against the group. Previously this group was responsible for the Westgate Shopping Mall atrocity in 2013 in which some 70 odd shoppers were mown down, and numerous atrocities in its Somalian base.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32169080

It seems Africa is even less sexy than Beirut.


well at least it was only done to the "odd" shoppers....


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RE: And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 10:12:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

When there’s a mass shooting in the United States, the right insists that no one use the phrase conservatives don’t want to hear (“gun control”). But when there’s deadly terrorism, the right insists that everyone use the phrase conservatives do want to hear (“Islamic terrorism”).

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/after-paris-republicans-renew-bitter-fight-over-semantics

Well they are Islamic terrotists, a perverted form of Islam to be sure, but that is what they are.

you didnt read the link did you, lol


As a source, I rank Madow right up there with Bozo the Clown

that shows
every day


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RE: And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 11:44:07 AM   
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And these folks didnt even rate a footnote here, on these boards.

Not everyone "lives" on these boards.. and its pretty hard to comment on events you arent even aware of.. To a great degree people focus on news events that tv, newspapers, the media report on.. For me, I dont watch tv, I dont listen to the radio, I dont sit on the internet 24/7.. I read (more like gloss thru) the local newspaper and thats it.. So if its not reported in that one local paper I dont hear about it (although some news I actually read about here first, oddly enough).. You cant blame people that didnt hear about other (terror) events cuz they were living their lives oblivious to what isnt being reported in the media they watch/read..

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RE: And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 1:53:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Nor is the Beirut atrocity the only one to miss out:

In north west Kenya, 147 Garissa University students were massacred by Al-Shabab militants. Al-Shabab is a Somalian Al Quada affiliate, which is at war with Kenya after Kenya took military action against the group. Previously this group was responsible for the Westgate Shopping Mall atrocity in 2013 in which some 70 odd shoppers were mown down, and numerous atrocities in its Somalian base.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32169080

It seems Africa is even less sexy than Beirut.

Yeah really, that one slipped right through the cracks...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/04/02/kenya-university-attack/70815094/
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/world/africa/garissa-university-college-shooting-in-kenya.html
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/04/kenya-garissa-university-attack-150402155656780.html
https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/04/03/kenya-least-147-dead-heinous-garissa-attack
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/kenya/11513626/Kenya-attack-147-dead-as-Islamist-gunmen-target-Christian-students.html
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/04/02/garissa-attack-kenya/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/gunmen-attack-kenya-university-fierce-shootout-article-1.2170720
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/kenyas-garissa-university-attacked-masked-gunman-breakingnews-com-n334386
http://news.sky.com/story/1457254/militants-kill-147-in-kenyan-university-attack
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32169080
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/02/africa/kenya-university-attack/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/kenya-garissa-university-shooting-two-killed-after-masked-gunmen-storm-campus-10150665.html
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/kenya-university-shabaab-attack-733554
http://www.voanews.com/content/attack-at-kenya-garissa-university/2703706.html
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-02/masked-gunmen-attack-kenya-university-garissa-college/6368786
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/03/us-kenya-security-college-idUSKBN0MT0CK20150403
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/apr/02/al-shabaab-seize-hostages-in-standoff-at-kenya-college-live-updates

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RE: And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 2:07:59 PM   
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I don't think it's fair or accurate to say that those people "didn't matter". But suicide bombings in the Middle East and the depredations of Boko Haram and Al Shaabab in Africa have become numbing in their bloodthirsty regularity. A major coordinated terror attack in the peaceful capital a first world nation, with over a hundred dead and hundreds more in hospitals, is a trifle more shocking.

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RE: And yet, these people didnt matter..... - 11/16/2015 2:18:31 PM   
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I'm sorry, I missed where it is in the "TOS" that states upon learning about any news story, we must stop what we are doing and rush to CollarChat and start or reply to a thread.

I will endeavor to do better with the next tragedy.

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