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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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If that same person on the terrorist watchlist leaves the airport, drives to a gun show, and tries to stock up on assault rifles, someone behind the counter will likely say, “No problem.”

Congress has the power to change this, but it doesn’t want to.

What’s more, note that this isn’t a hypothetical: the Post’s piece added that between 2004 and 2014, “suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases – 91 percent of the time – they succeeded.”
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ORIGINAL: littleclip

most guns in possession by criminals are purchased off of craigslist and other ads as the proper owner needs to sell and does not have to check if the buyer is clear for arms purchase. I can on any weekend find a yard sale that has guns for sale. more background checks wont help if there is no responsibility to the current gun owner to follow through when selling thr firearm

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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If that same person on the terrorist watchlist leaves the airport, drives to a gun show, and tries to stock up on assault rifles, someone behind the counter will likely say, “No problem.”

Congress has the power to change this, but it doesn’t want to.

What’s more, note that this isn’t a hypothetical: the Post’s piece added that between 2004 and 2014, “suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases – 91 percent of the time – they succeeded.”
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Suspected terrorists aren't in NICS yet more background checks will solve everything?

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: littleclip

most guns in possession by criminals are purchased off of craigslist and other ads as the proper owner needs to sell and does not have to check if the buyer is clear for arms purchase. I can on any weekend find a yard sale that has guns for sale. more background checks wont help if there is no responsibility to the current gun owner to follow through when selling thr firearm

That's why we create laws that prohibit the practice. The owner of the firearm would be able to show proper paper work if ever investigated. Can't prove where the guns come from? Spend some time in prison thinking about it!

The only way 'legit' guns fall into the wrong hands is by way of unscrupulous people.

Further, place a tax that basically raises the cost of firearms by five times their worth. $5,000 is easier to trace then $1,000 in most middle class people's bank accounts. Banks will often inquiry about a rapid change in accounts. Further, if a firearm is an investment, then at $5,000 (rather than $1,000), people will make sure it doesnt fall into the wrong hands. Less supply getting into the criminal underworld, forces prices of those arms up by quite a bit. Its a win for everyone except the criminals.

An the money raised from the taxes? Put towards firearm safety classes, deduction of price for gun safes, and whatever else can be thought up.

Good background checks (that take everything into account) plus artifically raising firearm prices? Yeah, that will dramatically reduce criminals with firearms while the good citizens still have access to them. The only people against this are the ones that are trying to help the criminals and terrorists get guns!

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ORIGINAL: littleclip

most guns in possession by criminals are purchased off of craigslist and other ads as the proper owner needs to sell and does not have to check if the buyer is clear for arms purchase. I can on any weekend find a yard sale that has guns for sale. more background checks wont help if there is no responsibility to the current gun owner to follow through when selling thr firearm

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ORIGINAL: University of Chicago Crime Lab
In a survey of almost 100 detainees in the Cook County Jail, few said they get firearms at gun shows or through the Internet, said Harold Pollack, co-director of the crime lab. They also said they don’t normally steal guns or buy them at a licensed store.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/71/915770/university-chicago-survey-finds-crooks-get-guns-from-pals-dont-keep-them-long

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ORIGINAL: joether

I thought Texas was suppose to be under martial law right now? All their guns and bibles taken away from them? That was the 'purpose' of Jade Helm 15, wasn't it?

:P

On a serious note, those Republicans can not deny refugees from settling in Texas. Last I checked the US Constitution is still active. Since most of the Republican public servants (e.g. governors, senators, representatives, mayors, etc) are lawyers; one would expect them to know about the US Constitution and its section on immigration of each type. So what they will try to do is defund any sort program that seeks to help those individuals. Since that is the 'christian' thing to do (not like Matthew 25: 31-46, exists right?). In their attempt to look 'pure strain conservative' they would create the next set of terrorists whom will rage at them. For if they were to show kindness, compassion, and consideration; such evils could be totally adverted. But being 'conservative christian' Republicans, they'll flatly ignore reason and wisdom.

The funny thing with the 2nd amendment: It applies to all persons, not just US Citizens. Just like every other amendment in the US Constitution. All those moments by gun nuts both on this forum and across the nation will now live in a greater level of fear. They help make those firearms laws so lax that.....anyone....can get a firearm. Yeah, there always exists the possibility that one of those syrian refugees could attack the nation. But then, that applies to anyone. Including a pair of christian conservative, gun nuts whom gave us 4/19/95. Yes, there is a date most conservatives and gun nuts would like this nation to forget. The date their 'ideology' showed its no better than Muslim extremists!

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ORIGINAL: littleclip

most guns in possession by criminals are purchased off of craigslist and other ads as the proper owner needs to sell and does not have to check if the buyer is clear for arms purchase. I can on any weekend find a yard sale that has guns for sale. more background checks wont help if there is no responsibility to the current gun owner to follow through when selling thr firearm

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: littleclip

most guns in possession by criminals are purchased off of craigslist and other ads as the proper owner needs to sell and does not have to check if the buyer is clear for arms purchase. I can on any weekend find a yard sale that has guns for sale. more background checks wont help if there is no responsibility to the current gun owner to follow through when selling thr firearm

blah blah blah

Further, place a tax that basically raises the cost of firearms by five times their worth. $5,000 is easier to trace then $1,000 in most middle class people's bank accounts. Banks will often inquiry about a rapid change in accounts. Further, if a firearm is an investment, then at $5,000 (rather than $1,000), people will make sure it doesnt fall into the wrong hands. Less supply getting into the criminal underworld, forces prices of those arms up by quite a bit. Its a win for everyone except the criminals.

blah blah blah

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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If that same person on the terrorist watchlist leaves the airport, drives to a gun show, and tries to stock up on assault rifles, someone behind the counter will likely say, “No problem.”

Congress has the power to change this, but it doesn’t want to.

What’s more, note that this isn’t a hypothetical: the Post’s piece added that between 2004 and 2014, “suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases – 91 percent of the time – they succeeded.”
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Suspected terrorists aren't in NICS yet more background checks will solve everything?

Then we create legal code that allows it. Is that so hard?

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: littleclip

most guns in possession by criminals are purchased off of craigslist and other ads as the proper owner needs to sell and does not have to check if the buyer is clear for arms purchase. I can on any weekend find a yard sale that has guns for sale. more background checks wont help if there is no responsibility to the current gun owner to follow through when selling thr firearm

That's why we create laws that prohibit the practice. The owner of the firearm would be able to show proper paper work if ever investigated. Can't prove where the guns come from? Spend some time in prison thinking about it!

The only way 'legit' guns fall into the wrong hands is by way of unscrupulous people.

Further, place a tax that basically raises the cost of firearms by five times their worth. $5,000 is easier to trace then $1,000 in most middle class people's bank accounts. Banks will often inquiry about a rapid change in accounts. Further, if a firearm is an investment, then at $5,000 (rather than $1,000), people will make sure it doesnt fall into the wrong hands. Less supply getting into the criminal underworld, forces prices of those arms up by quite a bit. Its a win for everyone except the criminals.

An the money raised from the taxes? Put towards firearm safety classes, deduction of price for gun safes, and whatever else can be thought up.

Good background checks (that take everything into account) plus artifically raising firearm prices? Yeah, that will dramatically reduce criminals with firearms while the good citizens still have access to them. The only people against this are the ones that are trying to help the criminals and terrorists get guns!

Why do you hate the poor?

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: littleclip

most guns in possession by criminals are purchased off of craigslist and other ads as the proper owner needs to sell and does not have to check if the buyer is clear for arms purchase. I can on any weekend find a yard sale that has guns for sale. more background checks wont help if there is no responsibility to the current gun owner to follow through when selling thr firearm

blah blah blah

Further, place a tax that basically raises the cost of firearms by five times their worth. $5,000 is easier to trace then $1,000 in most middle class people's bank accounts. Banks will often inquiry about a rapid change in accounts. Further, if a firearm is an investment, then at $5,000 (rather than $1,000), people will make sure it doesnt fall into the wrong hands. Less supply getting into the criminal underworld, forces prices of those arms up by quite a bit. Its a win for everyone except the criminals.

blah blah blah

If you support this idiotic notion of taxing rights, do you also support a poll tax in order to vote? Out of every idiotic thing you've said, this is one of the dumbest.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: littleclip

most guns in possession by criminals are purchased off of craigslist and other ads as the proper owner needs to sell and does not have to check if the buyer is clear for arms purchase. I can on any weekend find a yard sale that has guns for sale. more background checks wont help if there is no responsibility to the current gun owner to follow through when selling thr firearm

blah blah blah

Further, place a tax that basically raises the cost of firearms by five times their worth. $5,000 is easier to trace then $1,000 in most middle class people's bank accounts. Banks will often inquiry about a rapid change in accounts. Further, if a firearm is an investment, then at $5,000 (rather than $1,000), people will make sure it doesnt fall into the wrong hands. Less supply getting into the criminal underworld, forces prices of those arms up by quite a bit. Its a win for everyone except the criminals.

blah blah blah

If you support this idiotic notion of taxing rights, do you also support a poll tax in order to vote? Out of every idiotic thing you've said, this is one of the dumbest.

He has declared that everything we call a right is actually a privilage granted by the government. So if we find someone who votes 8 times for a Republican like a Ohio poll worker was convicted of doing for Obama he might not have a problem with it.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: littleclip

most guns in possession by criminals are purchased off of craigslist and other ads as the proper owner needs to sell and does not have to check if the buyer is clear for arms purchase. I can on any weekend find a yard sale that has guns for sale. more background checks wont help if there is no responsibility to the current gun owner to follow through when selling thr firearm

That's why we create laws that prohibit the practice. The owner of the firearm would be able to show proper paper work if ever investigated. Can't prove where the guns come from? Spend some time in prison thinking about it!

The only way 'legit' guns fall into the wrong hands is by way of unscrupulous people.

Further, place a tax that basically raises the cost of firearms by five times their worth. $5,000 is easier to trace then $1,000 in most middle class people's bank accounts. Banks will often inquiry about a rapid change in accounts. Further, if a firearm is an investment, then at $5,000 (rather than $1,000), people will make sure it doesnt fall into the wrong hands. Less supply getting into the criminal underworld, forces prices of those arms up by quite a bit. Its a win for everyone except the criminals.

An the money raised from the taxes? Put towards firearm safety classes, deduction of price for gun safes, and whatever else can be thought up.

Good background checks (that take everything into account) plus artifically raising firearm prices? Yeah, that will dramatically reduce criminals with firearms while the good citizens still have access to them. The only people against this are the ones that are trying to help the criminals and terrorists get guns!

Why do you hate the poor?

He doesn't, he is just so out of touch that he
A doesn't think that $4000 dollars will put that much of a dent in someone's checking account
and
B doesn't see a problem with spending $4000 for a $800 product

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Interesting article regarding syrian refugees and the contradiction that those on the terror watch and no fly zone in the US can buy guns.




Of the 745,000 refugees resettled in the United States since September 11th, zero Syrians have faced charges related to terrorism. But at a Capitol Hill press conference yesterday, that’s not the angle Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) wanted to emphasize yesterday.

“I would just mention a case a few years ago in my state,” the Republican leader said. “There was a person from Iraq who came into the U.S. as a refugee, vetted, who ended up being arrested for plotting a terrorist attack… So the ability to vet people coming from that part of the world is really quite limited.”

McConnell’s argument isn’t altogether fair. The Iraqi refugee in Kentucky actually tried to take advantage of lax American gun laws to send weapons to Iraq, not launch an attack in the U.S. – a detail the senator neglected to mention. For that matter, pointing to one guy out of 745,000 is hardly proof of an unreliable vetting process.

But the more interesting part came in response to a reporter’s question.
Q: There’s been a certain amount of resurgence in interest over a bill that’s been floating around here about whether people on terror watch lists should be able to legally buy guns in this country. Should they be able to?

MCCONNELL: [Shrugs shoulders.]

Q: On the FBI terror watch list?

MCCONNELL: Yeah, I’m not particularly familiar with that.
Told that Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) have pushed legislation on this – the measure was introduced nine months ago – McConnell added, “I’m not familiar with the legislation, so I’ll pass on it.”

Perhaps now would be a good time for the Senate Majority Leader to get up to speed on this, because if we’re going to have a debate about counter-terrorism and national security, we might also want to chat about potential terrorists having easy access in the United States to all kinds of deadly weapons.

The Washington Post published this piece on Monday.
Given France’s strict gun laws, the terrorists who attacked Paris on Friday may have turned to black market sources for the weapons they used. But in the United States, known and suspected terrorists are allowed to purchase firearms under federal law.

“Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law,” the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. The law prohibits felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States. But people on the FBI’s consolidated terrorist watchlist – typically placed there when there is “reasonable suspicion” that they are a known or suspected terrorist – can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles.
I can appreciate why this may sound ridiculous – probably because it is – but if someone is placed on the FBI’s terrorist watchlist, and they go to an American airport to buy a plane ticket, someone behind the counter will say, “No.”

If that same person on the terrorist watchlist leaves the airport, drives to a gun show, and tries to stock up on assault rifles, someone behind the counter will likely say, “No problem.”

Congress has the power to change this, but it doesn’t want to.

What’s more, note that this isn’t a hypothetical: the Post’s piece added that between 2004 and 2014, “suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases – 91 percent of the time – they succeeded.”

The point isn’t lost on policymakers this week, though TPM reported yesterday on just how twisted the recognition of current policies can be.
Republican state Rep. Tony Dale is concerned that Texas’ lax gun laws could allow Syrian refugees to launch terror attacks on American soil.

In a two-page letter sent to U.S. Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) on Monday, Dale asked state officials to reject the resettlement of more Syrian refugees within the Lone Star State’s borders after Friday’s terror attacks in Paris. He argued that immigration documents granted to refugees would allow them to obtain Texas drivers’ licenses, which in turn would allow them to procure firearms.
“While the Paris attackers used suicide vests and grenades it is clear that firearms also killed a large number of innocent victims,” Dale wrote. “Can you imagine a scenario were [sic] a refugees [sic] is admitted to the United States, is provided federal cash payments and other assistance, obtains a drivers license and purchases a weapon and executes an attack?”

To be sure, Texas has incredibly lax gun laws, which theoretically could be exploited by people who intend to do great harm to the American public. This week, however, a Republican state legislator doesn’t want to make it harder to buy deadly weapons; he wants to make it harder for refugees to get to Texas.

It’s like living in a Lewis Carroll novel, isn’t it?


http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/can-guns-be-part-the-national-security-conversation?cid=sm_fb_maddow

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

compiling the list that I asked you for.

CNN - not trustworthy
CBS - not trustworthy
MSNBC - trustworthy and always correct

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: littleclip

most guns in possession by criminals are purchased off of craigslist and other ads as the proper owner needs to sell and does not have to check if the buyer is clear for arms purchase. I can on any weekend find a yard sale that has guns for sale. more background checks wont help if there is no responsibility to the current gun owner to follow through when selling thr firearm

That's why we create laws that prohibit the practice. The owner of the firearm would be able to show proper paper work if ever investigated. Can't prove where the guns come from? Spend some time in prison thinking about it!

The only way 'legit' guns fall into the wrong hands is by way of unscrupulous people.

Further, place a tax that basically raises the cost of firearms by five times their worth. $5,000 is easier to trace then $1,000 in most middle class people's bank accounts. Banks will often inquiry about a rapid change in accounts. Further, if a firearm is an investment, then at $5,000 (rather than $1,000), people will make sure it doesnt fall into the wrong hands. Less supply getting into the criminal underworld, forces prices of those arms up by quite a bit. Its a win for everyone except the criminals.

An the money raised from the taxes? Put towards firearm safety classes, deduction of price for gun safes, and whatever else can be thought up.

Good background checks (that take everything into account) plus artifically raising firearm prices? Yeah, that will dramatically reduce criminals with firearms while the good citizens still have access to them. The only people against this are the ones that are trying to help the criminals and terrorists get guns!

Why do you hate the poor?