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kdsub -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 9:04:36 AM)
Who is then... it sure as hell is not Fox... they have been caught over and over altering the news to fit a political agenda. I tend to watch PBS or BBC if I want CLOSE to unbiased news... BUT... nowhere in the world is there a news service that is not influenced by the political climate of their readers. Butch

Lucylastic -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 9:56:56 AM)
yes but like fox and other various rw sites, AS well as CBS as shown in Kens thread. they can be can be proven wrong or bias. Declaring them not trustworthy without any back up links sources, basically anything but opinion, is going to get you zero credibility. But then you understand that only too well

thompsonx -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 1:09:40 PM)
ORIGINAL: kdsub Who is then... it sure as hell is not Fox... they have been caught over and over altering the news to fit a political agenda. I tend to watch PBS or BBC if I want CLOSE to unbiased news... BUT... nowhere in the world is there a news service that is not influenced by the political climate of their readers. And their editors

thompsonx -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 1:16:30 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD I have never seen a gun for sale at a yard sale, Before the law was passed yard sales and swap meets were always places to buy guns at a reasonable price. This was true in both california and nevada. Now,virtually none. I guess people in Alabama are a lot more careful than they are in Nevada. Doesn't make sense anyway because you won't get true value for the gun at a yard sale. The nature of swap meets and yard sales is that the seller is the one who sets the price and gets all of the money. Your gun in a shop on consignment is a different story.

MercTech -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 4:46:04 PM)
[/quote] Then we create legal code that allows it. Is that so hard? [/quote] Since big government can't competently administer the check already required by law; adding more poorly executed checks is adding more ridiculous to the insanity mix.

bounty44 -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 5:50:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub ...Fox... they have been caught over and over altering the news to fit a political agenda. Butch excuse me.....what?

Tkman117 -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 6:00:58 PM)
Lol, it's honestly no surprise that he is shocked by this revelation [:D]

bounty44 -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 6:26:37 PM)
its not an expression of shock brainiac, its a way of showing incredulity and by extension, an invitation to "show me the evidence."

Tkman117 -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 8:47:30 PM)
It's not exactly hard to show the evidence, just watch ten minutes of it and you'll understand...unless you're truly a partisan hack that is happy to deny reality and gobbles up every word they say.

Real0ne -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 9:02:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub if I want CLOSE to unbiased news... Butch nonexistent

joether -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 9:02:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech quote: ORIGINAL: joether Then we create legal code that allows it. Is that so hard? Since big government can't competently administer the check already required by law; adding more poorly executed checks is adding more ridiculous to the insanity mix. The size of government has no bearing and the process being discussed.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 9:05:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 It's not exactly hard to show the evidence, just watch ten minutes of it and you'll understand...unless you're truly a partisan hack that is happy to deny reality and gobbles up every word they say. Not so. Even your friend, Lucy, makes a good point above: "Declaring them not trustworthy without any back up links sources, basically anything but opinion, is going to get you zero credibility."

joether -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 9:09:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: joether I thought Texas was suppose to be under martial law right now? All their guns and bibles taken away from them? That was the 'purpose' of Jade Helm 15, wasn't it? :P On a serious note, those Republicans can not deny refugees from settling in Texas. Last I checked the US Constitution is still active. Since most of the Republican public servants (e.g. governors, senators, representatives, mayors, etc) are lawyers; one would expect them to know about the US Constitution and its section on immigration of each type. So what they will try to do is defund any sort program that seeks to help those individuals. Since that is the 'christian' thing to do (not like Matthew 25: 31-46, exists right?). In their attempt to look 'pure strain conservative' they would create the next set of terrorists whom will rage at them. For if they were to show kindness, compassion, and consideration; such evils could be totally adverted. But being 'conservative christian' Republicans, they'll flatly ignore reason and wisdom. The funny thing with the 2nd amendment: It applies to all persons, not just US Citizens. Just like every other amendment in the US Constitution. All those moments by gun nuts both on this forum and across the nation will now live in a greater level of fear. They help make those firearms laws so lax that.....anyone....can get a firearm. Yeah, there always exists the possibility that one of those syrian refugees could attack the nation. But then, that applies to anyone. Including a pair of christian conservative, gun nuts whom gave us 4/19/95. Yes, there is a date most conservatives and gun nuts would like this nation to forget. The date their 'ideology' showed its no better than Muslim extremists! While they are defunding can they defund the illegally ran sanctuary cities? That would be awesome. Is that all your able to process through that tiny brain you have? Buzz words and political slogans? There is no such thing as a sanctuary city. Its a concept created by right wingers whom dumb down vast concepts to little buzz phrases so people like you can think your 'keeping up' with the conversation. Its like 'illegal immigrants'. What is an illegal immigrant? Someone that has been found in a court of law to have violated a law. Either by the person admitting down, or being found guilty by a jury of their peers. Your ideology assumes your an idiot not to know this stuff. So they train your mind to be a bigot and add in the concept of 'illegal immigrant' so you can be bloodthirty mad at someone whom is non-white and accused of hopping the border. Not that you would stop and consider if they did nor not (or were an actual US Citizen). Thats to much brain power for you to muster in one sitting!

kdsub -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 9:10:01 PM)
Come on your memory is not that bad... Do a search. Don't you remember the false crowd fiasco ... And the editing of black lives matter chant to change its meeting? There are more ... The often misquotes and days later retractions... They are not a news organization so much as a political arm of a party...it's not that they are alone... They are just incompetent at doing it. Butch

Real0ne -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 9:14:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Then we create legal code that allows it. Is that so hard? If by that you mean they make shit up as they go, that possibly one of the few things we agree on that you said.

joether -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 9:15:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: littleclip most guns in possession by criminals are purchased off of craigslist and other ads as the proper owner needs to sell and does not have to check if the buyer is clear for arms purchase. I can on any weekend find a yard sale that has guns for sale. more background checks wont help if there is no responsibility to the current gun owner to follow through when selling thr firearm No they don't, but they do have to send them, not to the buyer, but a ffl holder who does the background check. Sorry that is just a antiguner myth. Most guns posseded by criminals are stolen, another myth. I have never seen a gun for sale at a yard sale, I guess people in Alabama are a lot more careful than they are in Nevada. Doesn't make sense anyway because you won't get true value for the gun at a yard sale. In order to be a criminal, one has to have already been found breaking the law in a court of law. Therefore its a 'honest and law abiding' citizen with a gun whom is selling to another 'honest and law abiding' citizen. Off the record and away from watchful eyes of law enforcement. Happens in every state! The only way we find if someone has the correct documents is to investigate them directly. Which is only a violation of the 4th amendment unless law enforcement can show probable cause. So unless that metric is reached, its possible and easy for someone to buy a gun at a yard sale or private sale. That process should be outlawed. Someone is found with a gun they can not show documentation of its original purchaser; they are going to prison for a few years to 'think about it'.

joether -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 9:22:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ifmaz quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: littleclip most guns in possession by criminals are purchased off of craigslist and other ads as the proper owner needs to sell and does not have to check if the buyer is clear for arms purchase. I can on any weekend find a yard sale that has guns for sale. more background checks wont help if there is no responsibility to the current gun owner to follow through when selling thr firearm blah blah blah Further, place a tax that basically raises the cost of firearms by five times their worth. $5,000 is easier to trace then $1,000 in most middle class people's bank accounts. Banks will often inquiry about a rapid change in accounts. Further, if a firearm is an investment, then at $5,000 (rather than $1,000), people will make sure it doesnt fall into the wrong hands. Less supply getting into the criminal underworld, forces prices of those arms up by quite a bit. Its a win for everyone except the criminals. blah blah blah If you support this idiotic notion of taxing rights, do you also support a poll tax in order to vote? Out of every idiotic thing you've said, this is one of the dumbest. All I have to do is convince enough people and it becomes law. A poll tax has nothing to do with this discussion. You try your best to insult me, yet, each time I still come out ahead of your insults. The problem you have is your not forming an argument. Your forming bullshit and trying to spray paint an argument onto it. The reason more and more gun laws are going into effect is that more and more US Citizens are getting tired of the gun nut bullshit train. As you pour more and more distrust towards US Citizens; they will hold more and more distrust towards you. Difference is: There is more of us then you. So if you dont want those gun laws updated and created. Then its up to you to start restoring trust. Which you can not do!

Real0ne -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 9:24:44 PM)
How about a piece of pipe and a ball bearing and a firecracker Joe? Do they need a receipt for that too? Little fertilizer and nitro? Shall we run down the list of common household chemicals next? How about a magnetic rail gun? Now what Joe?

joether -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 9:26:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: joether Then we create legal code that allows it. Is that so hard? If by that you mean they make shit up as they go, that possibly one of the few things we agree on that you said. Your understanding of how written material becomes law in our nation is pathetic. Written material has to be created into the form of a bill. This bill has to travel through the process known as 'Congress'. Once both sections of Congress sign off on it, it travels to the President for signing. If the President signs off (or a huge majority exists in both the House and Senate, to bypass the President), it becomes law. Its really sad that I have to explain something you should have learned in the 3rd grade.... In order to update existing laws, requires a new law to be generated. It either explains which text of the old law is being changed/deleted, or adds in additional/further legal information. Again this is something you would have learned in the 3rd grade...

BamaD -> RE: Vetting and guns. (11/19/2015 9:29:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: joether I thought Texas was suppose to be under martial law right now? All their guns and bibles taken away from them? That was the 'purpose' of Jade Helm 15, wasn't it? :P On a serious note, those Republicans can not deny refugees from settling in Texas. Last I checked the US Constitution is still active. Since most of the Republican public servants (e.g. governors, senators, representatives, mayors, etc) are lawyers; one would expect them to know about the US Constitution and its section on immigration of each type. So what they will try to do is defund any sort program that seeks to help those individuals. Since that is the 'christian' thing to do (not like Matthew 25: 31-46, exists right?). In their attempt to look 'pure strain conservative' they would create the next set of terrorists whom will rage at them. For if they were to show kindness, compassion, and consideration; such evils could be totally adverted. But being 'conservative christian' Republicans, they'll flatly ignore reason and wisdom. The funny thing with the 2nd amendment: It applies to all persons, not just US Citizens. Just like every other amendment in the US Constitution. All those moments by gun nuts both on this forum and across the nation will now live in a greater level of fear. They help make those firearms laws so lax that.....anyone....can get a firearm. Yeah, there always exists the possibility that one of those syrian refugees could attack the nation. But then, that applies to anyone. Including a pair of christian conservative, gun nuts whom gave us 4/19/95. Yes, there is a date most conservatives and gun nuts would like this nation to forget. The date their 'ideology' showed its no better than Muslim extremists! While they are defunding can they defund the illegally ran sanctuary cities? That would be awesome. Is that all your able to process through that tiny brain you have? Buzz words and political slogans? There is no such thing as a sanctuary city. Its a concept created by right wingers whom dumb down vast concepts to little buzz phrases so people like you can think your 'keeping up' with the conversation. Its like 'illegal immigrants'. What is an illegal immigrant? Someone that has been found in a court of law to have violated a law. Either by the person admitting down, or being found guilty by a jury of their peers. Your ideology assumes your an idiot not to know this stuff. So they train your mind to be a bigot and add in the concept of 'illegal immigrant' so you can be bloodthirty mad at someone whom is non-white and accused of hopping the border. Not that you would stop and consider if they did nor not (or were an actual US Citizen). Thats to much brain power for you to muster in one sitting! You know that I posted the wikapedea link showing that the term sanctuary city came about in the 80's (when you were a preadolecent) when the cities themselves were bagging about being sanctuary cities. You should note that the Sheriff in San Fransisco was voted out last week for following sanctuary city policies which lead directly to a murder. (he used a firearm stolen from a federal agent)

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