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Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys?

Allow all penetration

65% (40)

Allow only toys penetration

8% (5)

No penetration

26% (16)

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Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 10:45:30 AM

kittensmailbox

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Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? And why?

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RE: Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 11:02:02 AM

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I am not one for restricting the types of play at a party. As an attendee I can choose to play or not. I can also choose to watch or not.

The only restrictions I believe should be issues relating to the venue and laws. Personal safety can be dealt with between the parties and any issues that occur can be dealt with by the dungeon masters. As far as I'm concerned...have at it

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RE: Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 11:05:39 AM

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it become tricky then in the eyes of the law, also i dont think the D/M could control such as a working girls coming or other solictors. beside i have seen some people at a Lair or dungon and they are not the cleanest.
if this offends anyone i am sorry, but no

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RE: Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 11:06:03 AM

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Jesus, S&M parties are boring enough most of the time, now if you wanted to ban flogging, that I would go for, but sex? Oh dear god no.

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RE: Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 11:09:58 AM

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Penetration has never been part of any scene/play party that I have gone to. If it was, I'd probably walk out till it was over. As for why it wasn't I could not say. I was never the one holding the party and I never asked if it was permitted. It was just never done.

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RE: Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 11:15:38 AM

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Yes. Personal preference, but for me s&m play invovles a great deal of sex. While we go to parties that disallow penetration, the ones that allow it are way more fun.

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RE: Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 11:36:35 AM

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I understand for legal reasons why people would choose not to allow certain types of contact in social events.

Otherwise however, I think it's fairly arbitrary and ridiculous to allow some types of contact and ban others. Sure, flogging is great, but no penis in vagina action!

I also can understand setting a separate room aside for "sex play" so that people won't have to witness the horrific sight of people having physical sex next to people being whipped. Also to ease calms about fluid distribution.

But on the whole, people in the scene are public-sex phobic, and that's too bad. We either believe in adults doing what they want when they consent to it, or we don't. Why we say flogging is ok and penis in vagina isn't for reasons other than legal restrictions is beyond me- it's completely arbitrary.

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RE: Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 11:46:08 AM

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LA,

I think the fact that some really fight against sex at parties would make a great study for someone doing research into S&M.

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RE: Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 11:47:06 AM

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I think that when you make sex the focus.. the BDSM sort of begins to wane. (Or so says Wayne).

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RE: Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 12:00:08 PM

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As long as there are legal issues involved, I don't care what you want... do it in your own house, not in a place where I'm going to be arrested for being in the next room.

Seems a pretty selfish attitude, to expect others to be at risk of breaking the law so you can get your jollies.

(Not to anyone in particular, just to the notion of ignoring the criminal aspect and calling it a 'party').

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RE: Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 12:06:23 PM

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Y/you will have to forgive me. i misread the poll. If a P/person wishes to have pentration during a scene at a play party and it is allowed, then that is T/their perogative. i cannot say it that is something that my Master and i would partake in. W/we haven't. But W/we do not equate sex with play. Yes, the aspects of play afterwards has heightened O/our sex life. But when W/we play it is looked at differently i guess and the group of F/friends that W/we have also view it the same as U/us it seems. i know that M/most W/we know would enjoy watching S/someone else. To U/us though, this lifestlye does not equal sex.
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RE: Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 12:17:34 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kittensmailbox
Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys?

Yes

quote:

And why?

Because I would enjoy watching.

... And because if I attend a scene party, it is with other kinky adults, and I don't see why I should only be able to watch flogging and spanking. I've always openly admitted that this lifestyle is very much connected with my sexuality and for that same reason, I'm not casual about it. I think that if people are comfortable doing it in public, they ought to be able to do it provided they take adult risks and precautions, and bring their own sheets, lol. M

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RE: Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 12:29:33 PM

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I am 10,000% in agreement with Albatross! To begin with, two consenting adults can damn well fuck each other at a public party -- you don't like it, don't watch...More importantly: BDSM Scene & Play always gets me hot (I am hot almost always anyway, I am a Scorpio) and there is no better sensation that to slip into a sub's frenzied, spazzing ass once she has reached her limits!!!

Geeze, the prudes that exist here... I can't believe it! As usual, Crappy Dom puts it in the proper perspective perspective (but let's do keep the flogging)

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RE: Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 12:30:30 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kittensmailbox

Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys?

In my opinion, yes it should be allowed.

quote:

And why?

Though many times, my BDSM play and my sexual play are separate things, many times they are interrelated. I admit to wondering why the same girl who has no problem with being tied to a piece of equipment with her legs spread wide with a clamp pulling back her pussy lips so that everyone can view the physical 'evidence' of her excitement as her partner whips her breasts and pussy has a problem then with others viewing penetration of this area. I don't denigrate her for it nor do I denigrate the male dominant who has no problem with his submissive being fully naked and exposed to everyone's view and who has no problem with them viewing her frantic pawing at his clothing has a problem with them seeing her actually taking his penis out and doing something with it. To each his own and I understand the complexity of the sexual interaction and people's feelings about such interaction being on view as compared to the other play described. It's just one of those things that makes you wonder...

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RE: Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 12:37:30 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom
LA,

I think the fact that some really fight against sex at parties would make a great study for someone doing research into S&M.

The way I have put it is that bdsm is about authority, not sex. People into bdsm are just as prudish as vanillas are when it comes to sex, but very free when it comes to authority.

Swinging is about sex, not authority. People into swinging are just as prudish as vanillas when it comes to authority, but very free when it comes to sex.

These are not universal statements of course. It's just the cultural values of the subculture meshing within other cultures. We can tease and get hot and tease tease tease...but when the direct question is asked- kinksters are just as clumsy and repressed and prudish about sex as anyone.

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RE: Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 12:38:33 PM

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My only objection to public fucking comes from a past experience where the club owner relaxed the restrictions on it.

In a forthnight it was overrun with stag swinger males. The kinds who were too much losers to get dates to take to the regular swing venues.(where only couple were admitted)

They didn't understand the bdsm protocols, and were extremely annoying and disruptive.

I left soon after that. It's pretty bad when some guy comes up, and wants to fuck your date. And ignores you while doing it. And you are holding her leash.

In private, I'm all for allowing whatever the host wants.

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RE: Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 12:41:31 PM

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The american public takes a fucking everyday; why would you propose a dead-zone like that at a party?

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RE: Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 1:12:03 PM

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quote:

it become tricky then in the eyes of the law, also i dont think the D/M could control such as a working girls coming or other solictors. beside i have seen some people at a Lair or dungon and they are not the cleanest.

Re working girls or solicitors...membership requirements to attend a play party might deal with that and if there is a complaint of solicitation the person can be asked to leave. There are still modes of conduct that should be adhered to.

Cleanliness...that's between the people doing it and something that can also be found in any other scene. Someone who is not the most clean would squick me if they were having sex or getting a flogging...to me there's not a huge difference when someone can not take care of their own personal hygeine. If STD's are the issue...well I again think that should be between the people in the scene and everyone should take personal responsibility for their own safety. Or require condoms for penetration.

I can understand why people don't want to do it or don't want to see it. But unless there is a legal issue or venue restrictions, I don't see the point for restricting it.

I've been to parties where it's allowed and where it is not. Personally, it never affected me either way. I'm just one who didn't get into the lifestyle to have a ton of restrictions on what I can and can not do if I so choose placed on me by those who are not in my relationship *shrug* to each their own :) But I have also never had an experience like Caretakr where it was the focus and not a part of the D/s play.

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As long as there are legal issues involved, I don't care what you want... do it in your own house, not in a place where I'm going to be arrested for being in the next room.

What if there are no legal issues involved and sexual contact is perfectly acceptable? The law varies from place to place so legal issues of penetration are not always going to apply. However, if they do, I am all for staying within the law to protect those attending and throwing the party.

Is the poll meant to deal with play parties for private clubs or for public BDSM clubs?

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RE: Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 1:16:15 PM

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Well...the question was poorly written, first of all. Scene party? Where? IS this about 'public' clubs; dungeon's and such, or parties and get-togethers at private person's homes? Sheeshhhhhhhh, I do hope not the later.

At any rate, we're all adults... While in many places it's against the law to flog somebody who begs to be beaten, and yet we do it anyway; it is also against the law to touch or show-off private-bits, and yet we do it anyway. So now touching and showing parts is okay...blow-jobs are okay? ...but fucking is not? I don't get it. <shakes head>

This somehow reminds me of wives who say they're not cheating on their husbands because they only sucked another guy's dick and didn't really fuck him...

What IS the difference? ...and why would somebody care? I'm with whoever said if ya don't wanna watch, ya don't have to. But, that's me.

MOO: MNSHO........YMMV

Edited to add: Toys? Some places allow toys to be inserted into private parts, but not other private parts made for the job? Good Lord... I just don't get it. Sorry.

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RE: Should penetration be the permitted of scene partys? - 7/18/2006 1:45:58 PM

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In California there are no rules against people having sex in private venues, heck in San Francisco there is a place called PowerExchange that has all sorts of live sex going on all mixed in with S&M as well.

I have been to WAY too many parties that if you banned floggers you would have 20 fat doms sitting around wondering what the fuck to do now. There is NOTHING like bringing in a woman nobody has seen before wearing a ball gag, placing her in the middle of the room and proceeding to rape her ass and then stick her in the corner as if nothing happened and then sit down and talk about things as if she isn't there to make for a very pleasant evening.

I think the whole thing about sex is too many men just can't perform in public so they create a whole mythology around S&M not being about sex and some people buy into it for reasons of their own.

I say that having my only current play partner someone I don't have sex with publicly or privately.

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