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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/28/2015 6:15:53 PM

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He has been charged with murder.

As he should be.

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/28/2015 6:19:59 PM

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armed with an assault weapon

Even if it was an AK, which has not been verified, it wasn't an assault weapon, it did not have full auto capability.

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/28/2015 6:20:31 PM

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He has been charged with murder.

As he should be.

So we have another "officer down"????

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/28/2015 6:25:13 PM

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Even if it was an AK, which has not been verified,

The cops verified it....don't you believe the cops?

it wasn't an assault weapon, it did not have full auto capability.

Since when did an assault weapon become necessarily full auto? Why are you defending this piece of shit?
Why are you blaming his wife?
Why do you keep denying that pp was targeted?
Why do you keep claiming he was trying to rob the bank?
Why do you want to know the associations of the different cops?
Do you want to see those at pp murdered ?

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/28/2015 6:25:28 PM

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That was some 18 years ago, regarding his wife....1997, would you like to still blame her? BTW she is his EX wife

I did not say she was to blame. I stated a fact, or are you unaware that conviction of domestic violence disqualifies you for firearm ownership in this country?

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/28/2015 6:25:51 PM

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No the right, much as you would like for it to be so, did not encourage this.

So this was just some random hearing in Sept. of this year that ... oh I know, it was the LIBERTARIAN PARTY that was in charge of this...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/29/politics/planned-parenthood-hearing-cecile-richards/

This crap has been building like a time bomb - and if there was going to be a profile of someone who was going to snap: I would of laid down my money on a republican, white, christian, male.
surprise - surprise.

Of course you would, it's a free country, you can be wrong if you want to.

oh - well sure, it would of been a Native American, Jewish, woman that was had issues with abortion at P.P. --- who would of thought otherwise?

The river of denial is a long and winding river.... sings a little song... la, la, la

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/28/2015 6:32:04 PM

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I did not say she was to blame. I stated a fact, or are you unaware that conviction of domestic violence disqualifies you for firearm ownership in this country?

Ex post facto....bozo...Do you have a clue what that means? When did the lautenberg act become effective?

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/28/2015 6:34:06 PM

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No the right, much as you would like for it to be so, did not encourage this.

So this was just some random hearing in Sept. of this year that ... oh I know, it was the LIBERTARIAN PARTY that was in charge of this...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/29/politics/planned-parenthood-hearing-cecile-richards/

This crap has been building like a time bomb - and if there was going to be a profile of someone who was going to snap: I would of laid down my money on a republican, white, christian, male.
surprise - surprise.

Of course you would, it's a free country, you can be wrong if you want to.

oh - well sure, it would of been a Native American, Jewish, woman that was had issues with abortion at P.P. --- who would of thought otherwise?

The river of denial is a long and winding river.... sings a little song... la, la, la

You are aware that the authorities still say they are unsure of his motives aren't you?
You can't explain why, if he was out to kill the PP staff, he didn't when he had complete control of them for 5 hours can you?
You know using a sock puppet as your avatar isn't real subtile, who are you really?

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/28/2015 6:34:49 PM

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armed with an assault weapon

Even if it was an AK, which has not been verified, it wasn't an assault weapon, it did not have full auto capability.

stop pretending that you know anything for positive. he shot 12 people three died.I mentioned the ak because i told Kirata, I had seen the comment, in my second post.
im not suggesting it was a saturday night special, or a fuking uzi...those maimed people didnt think they were safe because it was a long gun.

i havent said his motive is PP, nor do I want to listen to every excuse under the sun why it has NOTHING to do with PP

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/28/2015 6:40:47 PM

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That was some 18 years ago, regarding his wife....1997, would you like to still blame her? BTW she is his EX wife

I did not say she was to blame. I stated a fact, or are you unaware that conviction of domestic violence disqualifies you for firearm ownership in this country?

well we know from domestic violence killings that it doesnt matter what the rules say.
By the waythe fact that he wasnt convicted means he can have as many as he likes.
especially in cs.

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/28/2015 6:41:59 PM

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armed with an assault weapon

Even if it was an AK, which has not been verified, it wasn't an assault weapon, it did not have full auto capability.

stop pretending that you know anything for positive. he shot 12 people three died.I mentioned the ak because i told Kirata, I had seen the comment, in my second post.
im not suggesting it was a saturday night special, or a fuking uzi...those maimed people didnt think they were safe because it was a long gun.

i havent said his motive is PP, nor do I want to listen to every excuse under the sun why it has NOTHING to do with PP

I haven't said it had nothing to do with PP, I have said we don't know for sure at this moment.
I didn't say they should have felt safe because it was a long gun.
I just said that even if it was an AK it wasn't an assault weapon, again, a simple irrefutable FACT. If it was an AK it was (since it didn't have full auto capability) a gun that looks like an assault weapon, but not acctually one.
Why waste your tme denying accusations I never made?

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/28/2015 6:43:14 PM

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You know using a sock puppet as your avatar isn't real subtile, who are you really?

im really JanahX - Ive just been gone for a while. I was busy.

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/28/2015 6:56:16 PM

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That was some 18 years ago, regarding his wife....1997, would you like to still blame her? BTW she is his EX wife

I did not say she was to blame. I stated a fact, or are you unaware that conviction of domestic violence disqualifies you for firearm ownership in this country?

well we know from domestic violence killings that it doesnt matter what the rules say.
By the waythe fact that he wasnt convicted means he can have as many as he likes.
especially in cs.

Yes laws that aren't enforced do no good. And yes if there is no real reason not to let him own a firearm he could.

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/28/2015 6:58:07 PM

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armed with an assault weapon

Even if it was an AK, which has not been verified, it wasn't an assault weapon, it did not have full auto capability.

stop pretending that you know anything for positive. he shot 12 people three died.I mentioned the ak because i told Kirata, I had seen the comment, in my second post.
im not suggesting it was a saturday night special, or a fuking uzi...those maimed people didnt think they were safe because it was a long gun.

i havent said his motive is PP, nor do I want to listen to every excuse under the sun why it has NOTHING to do with PP

If he had used a full auto weapon we would know it.
I know that if he obtained the weapon legally it was not full auto, and if he didn't retsricting the rest of us is nonsense.

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/28/2015 9:09:46 PM

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The dead officer was with the University of Colorado Springs police Dept, why was that dept. involved in this.

Why do you feel this is germaine? The shooter has said he targeted the pp clinic. The cops have said it was an ak47. Yet you persits in picking flyshit out of the pepper. Why is that? Do you approve of murdering abortion providers?

Actually, for as much as you have said this, it still isn't so...

"But the sources stressed that Dear said many things to law enforcement and the extent to which the "baby parts" remark played into any decision to target the Planned Parenthood office was not yet clear. He also mentioned President Barack Obama in statements."

Also, in regards to the rifle used:

"Sources said there would have been nothing apparent in Dear's background — including a felony conviction or previous mental health issue — that would have disqualified him from buying an AK-47 style, high-powered rifle used in the shootings."

So...AK-47 style, NOT an AK-47. This article was posted tonight my NBC News.

NEWS NOV 28 2015, 10:08 PM ET
Planned Parenthood Shooting Suspect Made Comment About 'No More Baby Parts': Sources
by PETE WILLIAMS and ANDREW BLANKSTEIN

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/planned-parenthood-shooting-suspect-made-comment-about-no-more-baby-n470706

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/28/2015 9:58:33 PM

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Earlier you used the term assault weapon.
Obama implied it was a military weapon, I am not nitpicking, I am pointing out obvious BS.
If unoficial police sources say he had an AK fine, but don't call it an assault rifle, the vesion avaliable to civilians isn't one. Obama is using such terms purly to gain political advantage.
You feel free to call out anything you consider BS I feel free to do the same.

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/28/2015 10:16:09 PM

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No the right, much as you would like for it to be so, did not encourage this.

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This crap has been building like a time bomb - and if there was going to be a profile of someone who was going to snap: I would of laid down my money on a republican, white, christian, male.
surprise - surprise.

If this shooting was carried out for political purposes, then it clearly qualifies as an act of terrorism.

I wonder will all those politicians who have been targeting PP for months now be charged with 'incitement to terrorism'?

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/28/2015 10:27:24 PM

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No the right, much as you would like for it to be so, did not encourage this.

[...]
This crap has been building like a time bomb - and if there was going to be a profile of someone who was going to snap: I would of laid down my money on a republican, white, christian, male.
surprise - surprise.

If this shooting was carried out for political purposes, then it clearly qualifies as an act of terrorism.

I wonder will all those politicians who have been targeting PP for months now be charged with 'incitement to terrorism'?

So if PP has done the things that they have admitted to on camera we should ignore it because some wacko might do something. Does this mean that anyone who says religion is bad should be held responsible for someone who goes into a school and targets religious people for death? Of course not. And attempting to smear anyone who is pro life with this is the same as smearing all atheists with the Oregon shooting.

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/29/2015 1:36:19 AM

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[...]
This crap has been building like a time bomb - and if there was going to be a profile of someone who was going to snap: I would of laid down my money on a republican, white, christian, male.
surprise - surprise.

If this shooting was carried out for political purposes, then it clearly qualifies as an act of terrorism.

I wonder will all those politicians who have been targeting PP for months now be charged with 'incitement to terrorism'?

So if PP has done the things that they have admitted to on camera we should ignore it because some wacko might do something. Does this mean that anyone who says religion is bad should be held responsible for someone who goes into a school and targets religious people for death? Of course not. And attempting to smear anyone who is pro life with this is the same as smearing all atheists with the Oregon shooting.

Had the shooter been a Muslim, we all know what the reaction from the Right would be. There would long winded pompous claims from people who can barely spell Islam on how the Islamic religion is responsible. There would loud self righteous demands for Muslims to dissociate themselves from the shooter's actions. Trump would probably be demanding the internment of Muslims. One doesn't need any imagination to guess what Carson and the other occupants of the GOP clown car would be demanding.

Yet if a Christian is responsible, we hear none of these calls. All we hear is silence from the same people who have spent most of the last year attacking PP, threatening to shut down the Fed Govt unless PP was defunded, making lurid and often false claims about PP calculated to inflame their reactionary fans, to whip up their indignation on a highly emotive issue. These people have cynically played the politics of abortion for all its worth, with their irresponsible and inflammatory speeches and demands. The question is not whether they're morally responsible but what is the extent of their moral culpability.

How much has their rabble rousing contributed to this incident? Why shouldn't they be held accountable for the consequences of their demagoguery? They were happy to reap what they saw as the political and electoral advantages of their agitation - why should they be exempt from responsibility for the many negative outcomes of their stance?

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/29/2015 1:49:06 AM

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Let's see:

1 dumb moron + free and easy access to firearms + total lies from conservative media = many dead civilians and police officers at a Planned Parenthood building.

I think I created a thread a few months ago about the lying conservative media on this subject. It seems that media 'connected' with an individual that bought into all the bullshit and lies from FOX 'news' and other conservative sources. Fueled on lies, he obtains firearms with the sole purpose of 'defending the unborn' from being used in scientific research. Of course, understanding bio-ethics is a few pay grades above this moron's abilities! He goes on a rampage and kills many people.

This is...ALL...on the conservative media in this nation. It is....ALL...their fault!

Next would be all the politicians whom fueled this on with lies and bullshit. After that, all those that that looked the other way, because "the Ends Justify The Means" (a typical conservative ideology).

The conservatives on this board were told they were being lied to by the conservative media and politicians. I know this, because I showed the facts in the thread that just about all the conservatives whom have chimed in on this thread; took part in. Which means, all the conservatives on this board are full of shit! You knew the facts and truth, and yet, can not admit reality.

Oh, and easy access to firearms. This guy's record does not sound all that stable or sane. Many people just paid the price because conservatives have been pushing ideology and lies rather than truth and fact. Guess we'll have to tighten those gun laws as punishment....

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