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armed with an assault weapon
Even if it was an AK, which has not been verified, it wasn't an assault weapon, it did not have full auto capability.
stop pretending that you know anything for positive. he shot 12 people three died.I mentioned the ak because i told Kirata, I had seen the comment, in my second post.
im not suggesting it was a saturday night special, or a fuking uzi...those maimed people didnt think they were safe because it was a long gun.
i havent said his motive is PP, nor do I want to listen to every excuse under the sun why it has NOTHING to do with PP
If he had used a full auto weapon we would know it.
I know that if he obtained the weapon legally it was not full auto, and if he didn't retsricting the rest of us is nonsense.
Yeah, because one can not fire a full auto AK, one shot at a time, right? Dude, there are YouTube videos on it. Go search for them!
Second, it is not hard to convert a semi-auto firing AK into a full auto firing AK. Takes five minutes and a machinist shop (barring that, a few tools easily purchased from Home Depot or SEARS). Yes, the chance of a jamming or misfiring is elevated. It would be lower if the proper part was switched within the firearm sequence (which is illegal to have in AK's in the USA unless under certain circumstances).
That you try to past this bullshit off is sad. It just shows your being dishonest. The AK is one of the most common firearms in the world. It has well over three hundred variations. Its rugged, easy to manufacture, and the ammo is not tough to come by in the United States.
Should Americans be restricted from this rifle? Hey, you had a chance for that conversation several times. You pissed away opportunity. Now, Americans will decide whether to ban or restrict it without input from gun folks. Why should we trust you when you don't trust us?
A He couldn't have gotten a full auto AK
B If he converted it that is already against the law
C We don't trust you because nothing is ever enough.
D You don't want to trust us because then you couldn't ignore everything we say and talk down to us.
E We want to stop crime and protect rights, you want, your protestations aside, to stop guns.
F Stop posting DNC taking points and think fo yourself.
A ) I could get a full auto AK. And I live in Massachusetts!
B ) Well, as you have noted, criminals do not follow laws. So why do we allow them the access to firearms so easily?
C ) Funny, liberals would say that of conservatives on the federal budget and taxes. But then, neither your nor mine here is an argument. Just mindless bullshit....
D ) I'm not the one whom distrusted you in the first place. Folks like you distrust your fellow Americans. Why should they trust you when you do not trust them? ***
E ) Seems your 'methods' do nothing to stop nor mitigate the problems we are facing. Maybe we should look at alternatives....
F ) Actually, I haven't really gone to the DNC site in like forever! I read the Drudge Report, Stormfront, and FOX 'news' about twelve times as much as I do the DNC material. Yes, I agree with them on certain areas. I disagree with them on other areas. They want to really ban firearms. I would not like us to go down that path. So I try to figure out an alternative that might make most people happy.
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I have friends whom are conservative in their politics and have firearms. I trust them with the firearms. Why? This is key: because I know them. I dont know many Americans with guns. How do I trust them? That is why we have a government (ok, one of many reasons). It allows a third party to state 'this person has followed the rules to obtain a firearm'. And....'this person is currently maintaining a lawful respect of the rules in place in our society'. This allows me to place trust in those Americans whom I have never met and/or don't know well enough.
But when conservatives do not trust the government, how do I trust them with firearms? Yes, the founding fathers warned us never to trust the government for a number of good and rational reasons. There is 'distrust' and then there is 'paranoid schizophrenia'. The first can be healthy; the second is not healthy. The government has to always drive to show they are open, honest, and responsible with the power they have towards/around/over all of us.
Take Jade Helm 15 that took place over the summer. The President, the DoD, The US Army, and many local, state, and federal officials told all of us Americans exactly what the operation was going to try to accomplish. It even sent a high ranking military officer to a small town in Texas whom fielded questions from 'reasonable' to 'completely insane'. Not once did the man's information prove untrue. Most Americans accepted that this was not something to worry about. Then there was the paranoid schizophrenic types. They thought this was an invasion by the Muslim Obama, to invoke Sharia Law while removing the US Constitution, placing people into FEMA camps, while removing the guns and bibles and allowing hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants to become US Citizens. An how much of that delusional tirade....ACTUALLY...took place?
None of it!
It appears the government and US Military, not to mention hundreds if not thousands of local, state, and federal officials were being 100% honest with regards to the whole operation. That conservatives do not know when to show trust and when not to show trust, shows a distinct lack of maturity. Why should we allow distrusting, paranoid schizophrenic individuals whom are immature easy access to firearms? Particularly in light of the recent Planned Parenthood shooting?
So what you got to do, is give your fellow Americans reasons to trust you. You have to rebuild that trust. An that is something your.....deathly.....afraid of doing. Your more scared of building trust with your fellow Americans than all the years you have been fearful of Muslim terrorists doing something bad in the nation for the last twenty years....COMBINED! Because if you keep with your current bullshit on distrusting us; your going to have tighter restrictions on firearms. You dont want that, right? So start developing ways we can trust you. If your not careful, you might start trusting us as well by accident.
So...putting aside your typical wall of text, your basic idea is this: gun owners should show that they can be trusted by DISREGARDING the words of the founding fathers and trust the government to do what's right.
Tell me, Joether...where in the Constitution does it say that the government is allowed to set up laws out of a BASIC distrust of citizens? Especially when the VAST majority of citizens follow the laws already in place governing their rights.
Here's a problem you need to get onto, Joether...cell phones.
How big is the problem?
In 2012, 3,328 people were killed in crashes involving a distracted driver, compared to 3,360 in 2011. An additional, 421,000 people were injured in motor vehicle crashes involving a distracted driver in 2012, a 9% increase from the 387,000 people injured in 2011.1
In 2011, nearly one in five crashes (17%) in which someone was injured involved distracted driving.2
In December 2012, more than 171 billion text messages were sent or received in the US.1
http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/distracted_driving/
Texting while driving is a growing trend, and a national epidemic, quickly becoming one of the country’s top killers. Drivers assume they can handle texting while driving and remain safe, but the numbers don’t lie.
Texting While Driving Causes:
1. 1,600,000 accidents per year – National Safety Council
2. 330,000 injuries per year – Harvard Center for Risk Analysis Study
3. 11 teen deaths EVERY DAY – Ins. Institute for Hwy Safety Fatality Facts ***this works out to approximately 4000 teen deaths a year. This figure does not take into account adult deaths due to texting and driving***
4. Nearly 25% of ALL car accidents
http://www.textinganddrivingsafety.com/texting-and-driving-stats
Oddly enough, none of these texting deaths were motivated by political causes. They were motivated by stupidity and arrogance. And call me crazy but the numbers of these deaths and the everyday happenstance of them make me far more fearful of other drivers on the road than I am of going to the movies or a mall or my grandchildren's school.
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