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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 10:00:52 AM   
thompsonx


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I was mistaken. This report identifies only the male as being outside. The report says the woman was at the clinic to support a friend but it doesn't say if she was outside, like the male, when she was shot.


Why is the position of the bodies so important to you?

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 10:26:01 AM   
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I would assume that he was shooting at people going into, or looked like they were going into PP.

Either that, or he was trying to rob the bank 'in his confusion' one depositor at a time, what do you think?

Since I never said he was trying to rob the bank the only point I can see to your post is a vain attempt to look smarter than you are, to make me look dumb, or to get in good with Lucy.
I think we have very shoddy reporting and so we don't know just what happened.
I have stated that he may well have been after PP.
I have also stated that the information, as it has been doled out, doesn't fit.
But we go back to my earlier statement shoddy reporting


It isn't 'vain' or an 'attempt' to look smarter than you, that is prima facie.

You don't know what happened here? But you know what happened in all them police shootings that were cleared by police?

How does that work?

You are all we don't know here, so I was giving out some possible scenarios to the feebleminded, all holiday spirited and all.




The difference is the amount and consistancy of the information.
BTW I have not supported every cop who was cleared but I wouldn't expect you to remember that since it doesn't fit your narrative. In the CHRISTMAS spirit I will not tell you how impessed I am with your brains.

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 10:30:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		If your going to argue open carry, anywhere, then its fair to say you hold a responsibility to engage all hostile targets when things like this happen.

Wrong again I do not argue for open carry, bad tactics. And it scares people like you.

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 10:34:03 AM   
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Wrong as always. CCW carriers get out of the way when the police are there but there are pleanty of cases when the police are not there and the stop a potential mass shooting. While you either ignored or forgot it several of us have provided you with the studies which prove it.

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 10:34:03 AM   
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I was mistaken. This report identifies only the male as being outside. The report says the woman was at the clinic to support a friend but it doesn't say if she was outside, like the male, when she was shot.


Why is the position of the bodies so important to you?

Because there seems to be confusion as to whether he entered the clinic to harm people or was trying to elude police officers who'd responded to shots being fired. If it was the second case, then the shots being fired would be those fired at people OUTSIDE the clinic and therefore, POSSIBLY (note that word) taking away the angle that he went into the clinic for any other reason other than escaping the police.

I answered your question. Now...

Why is making snarky comments, lying, and ascribing things not said to other posters which they did not say important to you?

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 10:34:19 AM   
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I would assume that he was shooting at people going into, or looked like they were going into PP.

Either that, or he was trying to rob the bank 'in his confusion' one depositor at a time, what do you think?

Since I never said he was trying to rob the bank the only point I can see to your post is a vain attempt to look smarter than you are, to make me look dumb, or to get in good with Lucy.
I think we have very shoddy reporting and so we don't know just what happened.
I have stated that he may well have been after PP.
I have also stated that the information, as it has been doled out, doesn't fit.
But we go back to my earlier statement shoddy reporting


It isn't 'vain' or an 'attempt' to look smarter than you, that is prima facie.

You don't know what happened here? But you know what happened in all them police shootings that were cleared by police?

How does that work?

You are all we don't know here, so I was giving out some possible scenarios to the feebleminded, all holiday spirited and all.




The difference is the amount and consistancy of the information.
BTW I have not supported every cop who was cleared but I wouldn't expect you to remember that since it doesn't fit your narrative. In the CHRISTMAS spirit I will not tell you how impessed I am with your brains.


Yeah, not a great deal of anything other than boilerplate (for amount and consistency).

But you have done your little ignorant deflection, show us around 5 cops that were cleared that you called for trials.

I wont tell you that I am impressed with asswipe, because I am not.

You are batting way less than zero, even before your RIF.



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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 10:37:21 AM   
BamaD


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Like the doctor in Philly who killed the shooter, how terrible of him.

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 10:40:55 AM   
BamaD


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Status: offline 		That is why firearms exist in our society.....to protect the civilian population from danger.

If you have read half what you claim to from the writters you know that they were most concered with government overreach meaning that they would not restrict ownership to those situations where the government controled them.

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 10:44:19 AM   
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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 10:45:04 AM   
BamaD


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Status: offline 		So I ask....where were all the gun nuts? Why didn't they engage rather than flee?


So I ask why do you insist that anyone who owns, particularly anyone who carries is a gun nut, either you don't know what a gun nut is or you are an anti gun bigot.

Do you have any idea what obstructing the police is. You are demanding that they do just that.

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 10:56:49 AM   
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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 11:01:28 AM   
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there was some time between the shots fired and police arrivals en masse. One wonders where the 2nd amenders were?

Do you mean the best you can do is echo Joe?

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 11:06:04 AM   
mnottertail


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Do you have any idea what obstructing the police is. You are demanding that they do just that.


Dumbasses really twist and squirm to say stupid shit to make sure their world view is sacrosanct, no matter how fucking imbecilic it is.

I am sure since you are all out at war with cops clearing cops of wrongdoing, you are thinkin that hey, what about all those john waynes who had guns, but shit their pants waiting on cops?

Maybe they had their guns field stripped and oiling them up to order a pizza.



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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 11:08:15 AM   
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If you have read half what you claim to from the writters you know that they were most concered with government overreach meaning that they would not restrict ownership to those situations where the government controled them.

You keep saying that simple minded shit but so far have not ever been able to bring any validation for your idiotic opinion.


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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 11:08:23 AM   
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there was some time between the shots fired and police arrivals en masse. One wonders where the 2nd amenders were?

Do you know that there were any at the site?

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 11:18:00 AM   
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Uh, time, as we understand it, does not flow from present to past.

It would not be an outrageous deduction that cops were not at the scene getting people out of the way immediately. Otherwise, we would not have the situation that 'the first calls came in at 11.38 and quickly arrived....

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/28/us/colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting/

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 11:18:44 AM   
thompsonx


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Why is the position of the bodies so important to you?

Because there seems to be confusion as to whether he entered the clinic to harm people or was trying to elude police officers who'd responded to shots being fired.

The only confusion seems to be in your's and bama's tiny little minds. Siezing on each nuanced word to make this not about an attack on pp and making this aspect of the anti-abortion movement a "single lunatic".



If it was the second case, then the shots being fired would be those fired at people OUTSIDE the clinic and therefore, POSSIBLY (note that word) taking away the angle that he went into the clinic for any other reason other than escaping the police.

Then of course his statement about baby parts is irrelevant and ignoring the 11 casualities. How many of those 11 casualities were on the ground outside of pp and how many were inside? You talk like a man with a paper asshole fighting a forest fire.

I answered your question.


Not even close.




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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 11:34:12 AM   
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Why is making snarky comments,

This is the dungen, I see no need to be polite to morons and fucksticks who want to act like fools.

lying,


Lying about what?


and ascribing things not said to other posters which they did not say important to you?

What the phoque does this mean? It is english but it makes no sense.


http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/11/27/3726056/colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting/

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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 12:04:19 PM   
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there was some time between the shots fired and police arrivals en masse. One wonders where the 2nd amenders were?

Do you know that there were any at the site?

It's a legitimate question Bama.

You are such a proponent that guns save lives and that the good and law abiding citizens are needing their guns to fight off the bad guys.
That has been your tenet in every gun debate on this site.
More than half the US have guns and I really truly don't believe there wasn't a single person carrying one when this crime went down before the cops arrived on the scene.

So.... where the fuck were all these 'do-gooder' gun carriers ready to fight the bad guys, huh??
Especially at a place known to be a source of controversy.


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RE: 3 dead 8 injured at PP In Colorado springs - 11/30/2015 12:18:12 PM   
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there was some time between the shots fired and police arrivals en masse. One wonders where the 2nd amenders were?

Do you know that there were any at the site?

It's a legitimate question Bama.

You are such a proponent that guns save lives and that the good and law abiding citizens are needing their guns to fight off the bad guys.
That has been your tenet in every gun debate on this site.
More than half the US have guns and I really truly don't believe there wasn't a single person carrying one when this crime went down before the cops arrived on the scene.

So.... where the fuck were all these 'do-gooder' gun carriers ready to fight the bad guys, huh??
Especially at a place known to be a source of controversy.


Are you aware that in any given area where open or concealed carry is legal only about 5% do so. Also it seems that while the cops were not there in mass at the outset that cops were there fromthe begining.
Want to belive it or not you have to show there were people there carrying before you can address their actions don't you. I am not going to try to explain actions of people when
A We don't know what they did.
B we don't even know if they were there.
BTW I found out this week that putting spikes in a baseball bat is against the law in CA.

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