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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 3:53:06 AM   
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I didn't find it particularly difficult, I just combined stuff that I have anyway and wore boots and a mask with it, btw it was a private party, not in public, I have to ask the other girls if their boyfriends/husbands were gay as they behaved perfectly normal, there were a few girls dressed as zombie girls, evil witches and faires, etc. and the guys didn't have problems talking to our faces

But yes I went as SLUTTY CatWoman, are you happy now?




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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 4:44:12 AM   
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I love it! That's a gorgeous costume!

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 5:17:25 AM   
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LOL, it was being completely unprepared, Halloween came too soon, call came "You're coming to the party, right?" I had 2 days and was a bit busy so I just went through my wardrobe, I have the boots, whip and the mask anyway, grabbed a bodystocking and a leather kilt and just figured it will do. I didn't want to spend a fortune on some nasty Halloween costume that's made from horrible fibers, where you sweat like a pig within a few minutes.

By backup plan would have been a white nighty with tomato juice stains and painting two bite marks on my neck and go as vampire victim

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 5:23:51 AM   
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It was definitely better than halle berry horrible cat woman costume! Love the idea of a red hair cat woman too!

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 5:24:21 AM   
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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 5:56:47 AM   
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This video has been making its rounds on the internet, and most media organizations are saying that it portrays men being tricked into catcalling their mothers. The reactions are even worse than what you’d expect.
The truth is, this video is actually a PSA created by the sporting equipment company Everlast. The interactions are staged to prove a point: every woman who gets catcalled is someone’s daughter, mother, or sister. If any men who catcalled witness those they cared about getting verbally harassed, they’d be upset. This video aims to point out the hypocrisy of the same men doing it to other women.
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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 6:00:22 AM   
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What's wrong? Are you afraid of the competition?


I have added value to this discussion, and while I have added a perspective that may be different from yours, I have yet to see any added value from you.

So, I ask a pointed question to see if you have been able to pay attention in class:

What do you feel is the fundamental issue here with respect to women's complaint about creepers and the counter arguments proposed as the solution?

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 6:10:51 AM   
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Or the French video where they did a role reversal, it's a bit of an eye opener...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/07/gender-roles-reversed-film-oppressed-majority_n_4740248.html

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 6:13:10 AM   
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Ding dong!




Is that you ringing the door bell again?

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 6:19:49 AM   
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But yes I went as SLUTTY CatWoman, are you happy now?


Actually, I wouldn't consider that a slutty costume, and, I'm sure I'm not the only one who is happy that I happened to ask what you dressed as (and what hubbie wore).
My point was that women always dress the way they naturally are, in some way, shape, fashion or form.

In your case, I, like all the folks here, am impressed with your inherently artful sensuality and snappy taste (especially with a bullwhip in your hands!).

BTW, you know me (only) slightly better than the rest do, so, you know that I'd call you a slut to your face if I thought that; and I don't think that. In fact, your leather skirt is a tasteful length and your top is well covered and your bodice elegant, with a classy veiled covering of your graceful form. So, while you are stylishly restrained, many women are not as intellectually endowed nor as physically cultivated as you appear to be, with everything I learn about you just improving my concept of your polished charm.

Notwithstanding my unabashed admiration for you, my long-standing but as-yet-unproved hypothesis that women dress like exactly as who they are whenever they can get away with it, was formed 30 years ago after observing women at college and grad school Halloween parties; so my yet-to-be-proved theory predates your particular Halloween Catwoman outfit, so, I apologize if there was any intimation that you dress sluttily.

With respect to the topic at hand ...
Most (many? some?) women dress sluttily every chance they get.
Men don't do that.
But, men look and that's exactly why these women dress sluttily every chance they get.
Then, they complain.

We have to understand the motivations here, before we can try to fix the ramifications.

BTW, notice how your batgirl/catwoman/batwoman costume is the polar opposite of this one...


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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 6:20:09 AM   
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Or the French video where they did a role reversal, it's a bit of an eye opener...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/07/gender-roles-reversed-film-oppressed-majority_n_4740248.html


It is. But one thing puzzled me when I first watched it and and still puzzles me now: Why the topless female joggers? What's the message behind that? Is a topless woman supposed to be intimidating in some way in this reverse-role world? I didn't get that at all.

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 6:23:28 AM   
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Ding dong!





Is that you ringing the door bell again?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV0lKD3KPsc


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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 6:28:49 AM   
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Or the French video where they did a role reversal, it's a bit of an eye opener...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/07/gender-roles-reversed-film-oppressed-majority_n_4740248.html


It is. But one thing puzzled me when I first watched it and and still puzzles me now: Why the topless female joggers? What's the message behind that? Is a topless woman supposed to be intimidating in some way in this reverse-role world? I didn't get that at all.



See, you are NOT a woman, we see guys topless fairly regularly, remember when you visited for a few days and we went to the park and it was that unexpected heat wave, you were looking for a wife beater shirt, but did you notice how many guys were just taking their shirt off? Nobody thinks twice if a guy goes topless, they do it frequently in the summer, in this video the women do what guys do without thinking twice, I'm sure guys don't do it to be intimidating, they just do it because they can, in this video the women do it because they can in that utopian environment

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 6:53:51 AM   
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My long-standing but as-yet-unproved hypothesis that women dress like exactly as who they are whenever they can get away with it, was formed 30 years ago after observing women at college and grad school Halloween parties; so my yet-to-be-proved theory predates your particular Halloween Catwoman outfit, so, I apologize if there was any intimation that you dress sluttily.





I give you a completely different hypothesis, coming from living in Germany for a long time where carnival (Fasching) is a real event and even shops and offices will be closed, people do dress up in fancy costumes, it's a bit like Halloween only not focused just on the scary aspect, it's the time before lent starts and where people can drink, gorge themselves on special donuts and just have a party before a more sombre time is there, culturally the big feast before a time when food was scarce and you waited for spring and the first fresh food...

You see a lot of princesses, you see cowboys, you see Indians, you see sheiks, gangsters, oriental princesses, comic strip characters, nurses, guys dressed as women, people dressing as aliens, Star Trek, Star Wars characters, you name it, it's a bit of a free for all thing.

The thing I noticed is that people used to dress completely different from how they dressed usually, it tended to be 180 degree change of their normal attire, the homely girls tended to dress up as fairy tale princesses, a lot of the guys (especially the boring ones) all of a sudden tried to be dashing pirates (more Erol Flinn than Jack Sparrow) or outlaws like Billy the Kid, the boys and girls from the accounting department all of a sudden looked like they should be in the Sex Pistols, people who were usually well behaved and quiet like church mice dressed up like monsters, you get my drift...

It was basically the time where you could be who you usually weren't, because you didn't dare or because you just wanted to slip into that role for a day, sure some girls who didn't wear much usually also didn't wear much then, but you could see the very uptight housewife all of a sudden being dressed up like a courtesan (Madame Pompadour was quite popular), some snotty church lady would be flashing a basque and suspenders.

It was all OK, because of CARNEVAL, where things got turned upside down, total role reversal, freedom of expression, trying out something you usually wouldn't do...

A bit like a good old BDSM role play only more socially acceptable and for the general public.

Or let me try this, you might know me well enough to know that I wouldn't take advantage of anybody, especially not anybody working for me, and I don't think you're the kind of guy who lets people get away with walking all over him, that's an important premiss. OK, we got that cleared up.
Now imagine we're somehow romantically involved, you're working away on your computer, I walk in with a business costume with a twist, the skirt is a bit too short, the slit is a bit too high, I"m flashing a lot of stocking top and leg, my buttons are a bit too undone and the shirt is a bit too transparent. I claim that I found some dirt on you, like that you were watching one of the secretaries changing in the ladies bathroom, I could get you fired if you don't do exactly what I want you to do NOW <wink wink, nudge nudge>

It wouldn't make me a slut and a predator, it wouldn't make you a weak and helpless guy who spies on secretaries in the bathroom and got caught, it would just be fun, pretend... That's how a lot of people feel about fancy dress stuff, the adult version of dressing up and pretending...


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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 6:56:25 AM   
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in this video the women do what guys do without thinking twice, I'm sure guys don't do it to be intimidating, they just do it because they can, in this video the women do it because they can in that utopian environment


I think it's low class for guys to be jogging on the street with no shirt on.
Kids playing at the beach is one thing, but grown men jogging in public shirtless and sweating and bouncing all about is just gross.
Still, it was cute to see the women gracefully jogging by, shirtless, just as some men are wont to be.


The only guys who jog shirtless in public are of the same character as the women who show their panties all the time.
And, the more important aspect is that the movie attempts to superficially equate shirtless jogging as a unisex privilege, yet, by doing so, the video ignores the far deeper biological differences which make any apples-to-apples comparison far more difficult (and doomed to fail because there is far more to it than just being shirtless in most people's minds).

BTW, after shutting down browser protection to view the 10-minute video just now, I instantly found some of the premises to be fundamentally flawed because they consistently gloss over the other side of the story; but, overall, my impression is that it was an interesting role-reversal watch even though it only looked at the superficial issues and not any of the far deeper biological roots where both sides are actually at fault.

They really needed to have the guy dressed wholly differently for this statement to be completely believed or even appreciated.

Yes. I realize some women here will state that they get accosted even when they're dressed as non-sexily as he is - but - they conveniently forget about how they dressed at Halloween, and what they did in New Orleans, and all the other times that they didn't dress in baggy shorts and a loose t-shirt - so that's where the devil is in the (biologically driven) details.

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 7:05:19 AM   
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That is because you are a man, seriously, as a woman you hear that often even if you don't dress revealing, you know the middle aged house wife who gets raped while coming home from shopping, she reports a rape and she gets asked how she dressed, some people might even question if her skirt was too short and if she showed some leg.

Didn't you see one of the guys on this thread doing exactly that? Victim blaming, that women get assaulted due to the way they dress, when in fact dressing provocatively seems to turn rapists off, because maybe it displays some self-confidence and they are looking for victims....

Edited to add: I think the guy dressing actually rather modestly and looking homey and not drop dead gorgeous was to drive a point home, because most of the women being assaulted are just normal women, not sexbombs, not dressed provocatively, women you wouldn't possibly turn around for if they pass you on the street, that was exactly the point, I'm sure the women can all see that...

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 7:10:11 AM   
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my long-standing but as-yet-unproved hypothesis that women dress like exactly as who they are whenever they can get away with it, was formed 30 years ago after observing women at college and grad school Halloween parties;


So what you're saying is that you haven't matured at all since late adolescence. And you think that's something to be proud of.

Have you maintained the same attitudes towards everything else in life for the last 30 years? Or do you have a more nuanced understanding of politics, religion, economics? You were probably trans and homo phobic 30 years ago, are you still? Hell, you were probably somewhat racist back then, are you proud of still maintaining those attitudes?

Back then you probably thought Kraft macaroni and cheese was a great dinner, do you still?

If not, then why is it solely your attitudes towards women that are this simplistic? Or is it that if you grew up emotionally, then you would lose your kinks? There's a reason why this is the one part of your life that you insist on not changing. Figure it out.

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 7:26:14 AM   
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On the up side of all this, somewhere out there is a FemDom that is also a mental masochist and they will live happily every after in their mutually tortured existence.

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 7:40:07 AM   
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I have added value to this discussion,

No you haven't.
All you've done is trot out your inept and lame position that women dress for your objectification and that men are predisposed to do this.

You've done this ad-nauseum, with barely a pause for breath between asinine pictures to prop up your warped sense of reality.

Everything you've opined and demonstrated throughout this thread and others is just fundamentally wrong on all fronts.
You twist and squirm to defend your PoV that none of us are swallowing.

Your point of view, the way you think, your predisposed ass-backwards logic, your sick frame of reference, your lack of societal cues, your whole tenet on this subject is just WRONG!!

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and while I have added a perspective that may be different from yours, I have yet to see any added value from you.

It's not different - it's sick and twisted and inappropriate.

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So, I ask a pointed question to see if you have been able to pay attention in class:

What do you feel is the fundamental issue here with respect to women's complaint about creepers and the counter arguments proposed as the solution?

There are NO counter arguments.
The solution is for inept and maladroit men to realise that what they do is NOT FUCKING ACCEPTABLE in the western world.


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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/2/2015 8:07:00 AM   
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Or the French video where they did a role reversal, it's a bit of an eye opener...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/07/gender-roles-reversed-film-oppressed-majority_n_4740248.html


It is. But one thing puzzled me when I first watched it and and still puzzles me now: Why the topless female joggers? What's the message behind that? Is a topless woman supposed to be intimidating in some way in this reverse-role world? I didn't get that at all.



See, you are NOT a woman, we see guys topless fairly regularly, remember when you visited for a few days and we went to the park and it was that unexpected heat wave, you were looking for a wife beater shirt, but did you notice how many guys were just taking their shirt off? Nobody thinks twice if a guy goes topless, they do it frequently in the summer, in this video the women do what guys do without thinking twice, I'm sure guys don't do it to be intimidating, they just do it because they can, in this video the women do it because they can in that utopian environment


Ah. OK, I suppose that makes sense. Doh! Don't know about the 'utopian' bit, though. Utopias are supposed to be ideal societies.


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