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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 5:44:31 PM   
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We can use misconceptions of octane ratings as a metaphor for the women who habitually dress like sluts yet who profess complete ignorance of why men look at them when they do so. Both take looking outside the frame of reference to understand the logic of it all.


Most women do not habitually dress like sluts, I just asked hubby if he can remember if I ever dressed slutty - his reply "No, but if you want to, I'm not going to stop you, wake me up if you plan to!"

As I said before, I had a complex from the age of 12 or 13 on that lasted up until my mid 20's possibly late 20's and dressed in oversized sweaters a lot with hunched forward shoulders to make it look like I have no boobs, I used to cross my hands over my chest, had scarves and stuff to just hide my shape, I grew up with Kate Moss being the supermodel and I'm not that body type, so if guys looked at me and especially my body, I was uncomfy, uncomfy enough to consider breast reduction. If you're a teenager it's not much fun, yes some teenage girls will dress slutty, being a teenager is trying things out, your hormones are all over the place, you're rebelling and you don't really know against what, it's just a phase, most women really grow out of it, just like most guys grow out of showing their cocks. The pictures you showed, those women are getting paid to look like that, Kim Kardashian dressing slutty, oh wow, yeah, can't say I'm a fan but oh look, it made her rich, cheerleaders wearing revealing apparel a guy picked for them so more people watch football (cha-ching money rolling in, you notice a theme?)

Some women will dress slutty, doesn't mean it's something ALL women do, most of the time we really dress to feel good, you know we like how a material feels on our skin, how a skirt swirls around our legs, you know that thing called "power dressing"? The right dress makes us feel better, I don't know about you, but if I'm facing a bunch of suits and have to give them a presentation, I want to be well put together, it gives me confidence, I wouldn't have that confidence if I would have to worry about a wardrobe malfunction, if I'd worry that they think I'm dressed wrong and dismiss as a bimbo flaunting her assets. If I'm wearing jeans they should be comfy, but they also shouldn't make me look like I should skip the puddings and head for the salad bar and the gym, because if I think I look good, I just feel better.

I can't really explain it simpler terms

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 5:48:40 PM   
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Good on yer F.D.........................as long as my car gets me from A to B comfortably and fairly quickly and then brings me back to A again in the same way, I really don't give a shit. Who the hell wants to know what's at the far end of a bee's knee ?


This is exactly my point.

Most people know absolutely nothing about what an octane rating indicates.
Yet, that lack of understanding doesn't stop them from blaming the fuel for many of the engine's ills.

Clearly, an octane rating is a very important specification to compare fuels, so, being clueless means that you're missing out on a lot of interesting cause-and-effect ramifications.

In fact, many of the engine's ills are BLAMED on the octane rating, and, worse yet, many seem to feel that changing their fuel from one octane rating of an equivalent anti-knock index of 95% 2,2,4,tri-methyl pentane to an equivalent of 96% 2,2,4,tri-methyl pentane is somehow (magically?) gonna make their engine "sound as sweet as honey".

They seriously think THAT is the solution!
And they really believe it.
(Dunning Kruger be damned!).

Do you see the parallel with this discussion?

I'm saying (some) women blame men for "leering" at them, yet, just as most people are clueless about what an octane rating is, blaming men for leering is like the clueless blaming of the fuel for making the engine run worse and then thinking that the solution is merely to change the anti-knock index rating of the fuel you burn.

People don't understand why dressing a certain way has social ramifications, just as they don't understand why differently rated fuels have different effects (or none whatsoever) on an engine's operation.

If they actually understood the dynamic of what is going on, they wouldn't blame the men (nor the fuel) for something that often has absolutely nothing to do with men (nor with the fuel).
They'd actually find the right place to lay their blame (where the devil lies in the details).

To understand, is the first step in solving the problem.

It's like people thinking their brakes "warped" so they put bigger calipers and rotors on the vehicle instead of changing their braking habits.
These people who think their brakes "warped" don't realize the real problem is how they brake, not the brakes themselves.

To solve what's commonly termed brake "warp", you have to change yourself - not the brakes.
It's the same here with men leering.

To solve the problem they feel they are confronted with, they often actually need to change themselves - not the way men behave.


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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 6:01:26 PM   
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Good on yer F.D.........................as long as my car gets me from A to B comfortably and fairly quickly and then brings me back to A again in the same way, I really don't give a shit. Who the hell wants to know what's at the far end of a bee's knee ?

Crumpets does!!

And he wants to study it and see how the joints work too!!
He's a prick like that.
And by all accounts, he'll always be that way coz he don't know any different.
He also thinks that anyone else that doesn't study everything in minute microscopic detail in and around one's universe is a dumbass and uneducated and severely lacking.

I'm only concerned in what directly affects me.
Sometimes I need to do some research, mostly (like most people), I don't need to.

For example:
> I don't need to know what grade of steel my car panels are pressed from - it's of no consequence to me. As long as I buy another steel replacement from a reputable source, it doesn't matter.
> I don't need to know every fucking rubber compound used to make my tyres. As long as I buy the correct legal and legit replacements, that's all that matters.
> I don't need to know the whole fucking life history of the guy doing the testing on my car, or his boss, or the garage owner and his wife/mistress. All I need to know is that the guy is fully trained, accredited, and authorised by the authorities to do his job diligently and honestly.

Crumpets' shit-flinging for not knowing the universe is tiresome and unnecessary and insulting.
And if we are to really accept what he claims to know, he'd be a fucking genius.
Which of course, we all know from his posts that he's nothing more than a socially inept HNG and completely clueless about 99% of normal human activity.


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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 6:02:30 PM   
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ill stop objectifying and sexualizing women as soon as women stop doing it to men. I cant count how many times I have seen women stop to objectify and sensualize the shirtless construction worker or jack hammer operator... Why is it that male models are trim and fit and defined by most women as attractive... Objectification at it's finest

Really? Where do you live because where I live, in those occupations, shirts are required by OSHA.




Protective gear here...

I just googled construction workers here and the only one I could find who was shirtless was working on a roof and came with a warning for skin cancer, he also had rather ample breasts and somewhat of a beer belly.

Male and female models tend to be trim and fit, that's why they are models, and most people consider somebody who's in shape more attractive than somebody who's out of shape, it's not objectification, it's biology, a partner who's in shape will make better babies, survival of the species, you know the reason behind why we all like sex, no sex, no babies, so mother nature has to make making babies fun... Birds, bees, all that stuff, didn't your mom tell you all about it?

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 6:05:05 PM   
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To solve the problem they feel they are confronted with, they often actually need to change themselves - not the way men behave.

Complete CRAP!!!

Men who are behaving badly need to change THEMSELVES and they way they behave (and think), not expect the women and society to change to their tune.



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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 6:08:20 PM   
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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 6:09:15 PM   
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Obviously you do not own a Porsche.

Most high-compression engines, such as yours and mine, require fuel rated with a higher anti-knock index; but the point here is to UNDERSTAND the cause and effect before coming to a conclusion about the solution.

I own both a bimmer and a large-bore beemer where I do all my own mechanical work; so, I'm intimately familiar with how octane ratings play a cause-and-effect role on engine knock and spark timing, and I can make decisions accordingly.

Unfortunately, most Porsche owners are out of luck in most parts of California when it comes to putting in the manufacturer's recommended fuel AKI:


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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 6:11:03 PM   
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Men who are behaving badly need to change THEMSELVES and they way they behave (and think), not expect the women and society to change to their tune.


Heh heh ...

You would think that.

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 6:25:39 PM   
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And he wants to study it and see how the joints work too!!

heh heh ... my fetlife moniker is "Giubo", which comes from the Italian words "Giunti Boschi" (or "joint designed by Boschi") which is the well designed drive-shaft joint of my bimmer.

I love studying drive shaft joints.

To understand joints is to understand how two huge forces that are slightly askew in a variety of ways can still keep the car straight and vibration free.
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He's a prick like that.

Ah. So you didn't bother to try to counter my octane arguments?
You simply call me a prick for pointing out that you had no clue what you're talking about?

Somehow, I had expected nothing less of you.
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And by all accounts, he'll always be that way coz he don't know any different.

Hmmm... "he don't know any different"?
Eloquent.
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He also thinks that anyone else that doesn't study everything in minute microscopic detail in and around one's universe is a dumbass and uneducated and severely lacking.

Heh heh...
Might I have touched upon a raw nerve or two?
All I did was explain what the octane ratings mean.

Just as I explained that women are two-faced when/if they dress like sluts, selling the same thing as prostitutes do, except not for money - and then - they complain that men are looking at them.

The message hurts.
But that doesn't make the message wrong.
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I'm only concerned in what directly affects me.
Sometimes I need to do some research, mostly (like most people), I don't need to.

Yeah. I know.

I knew that from the way you write and from what you write.

You can't really hide it anyway.
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For example:
> I don't need to know every fucking rubber compound used to make my tyres. As long as I buy the correct legal and legit replacements, that's all that matters.

I should warn you that I also know more about tires than anyone you've probably met who isn't a tire professional. Certainly I know more than most people.

Most importantly, I know that most people don't have a clue how to select the best tires for the money for their vehicle. And, since I mount my own tires (yes, most bikers mount their own bike tires, but I also mount and balance my own car tires), I know a lot about the mounting and balancing process also (which most people don't know).

And, yes, I've studied the pros and cons of (mostly) nitrogen versus air (which is mostly nitrogen anyway), and I've even reduced my rear wheel negative camber on my bimmer which is notorious for causing inner-edge tire wear, knowing full well there are handling ramifications to my actions (after weighting the bimmer with over 500 pounds of weight to set the ride height properly (which almost nobody except aficionados even knows about).

My point is that I THINK about how things WORK and what the RAMIFICATIONS of my actions are.

If the women who dress like sluts daily would do the same, there would be a hellova lot less complaining about men looking at them when they do so.


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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 6:41:36 PM   
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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 6:44:43 PM   
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Most women do not habitually dress like sluts, I just asked hubby if he can remember if I ever dressed slutty - his reply "No, but if you want to, I'm not going to stop you, wake me up if you plan to!"

I blurted out my drink as I read that!
It was so apropos!

I've seen your photos, and you have the body of a Goddess!
So, if you wanna dress sluttily, by all means, wake up your husband but bear in mind he's gonna also need his cardiac medication to slow his beat down to 150 bpm or so.

BTW, you don't have to answer this, but, did you dress "sexily" for Halloween?
Did he?

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As I said before, I had a complex from the age of 12 or 13 on that lasted up until my mid 20's possibly late 20's and dressed in oversized sweaters a lot with hunched forward shoulders to make it look like I have no boobs, I used to cross my hands over my chest, had scarves and stuff to just hide my shape, I grew up with Kate Moss being the supermodel and I'm not that body type, so if guys looked at me and especially my body, I was uncomfy, uncomfy enough to consider breast reduction.

I know the feeling. I hated wearing glasses in grade school, so much that I put my hands to the sides of my head thinking that nobody could see them that way.
Some girls kindly told me that I was doing that, because I wasn't even aware of it myself.

Then I got contacts, and that solved that problem until laser surgery had time to be invented.
We were all sensitive about something when we were kids.
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If you're a teenager it's not much fun, yes some teenage girls will dress slutty, being a teenager is trying things out, your hormones are all over the place, you're rebelling and you don't really know against what, it's just a phase, most women really grow out of it, just like most guys grow out of showing their cocks. The pictures you showed, those women are getting paid to look like that, Kim Kardashian dressing slutty, oh wow, yeah, can't say I'm a fan but oh look, it made her rich, cheerleaders wearing revealing apparel a guy picked for them so more people watch football (cha-ching money rolling in, you notice a theme?)

Well, I didn't have any pictures taken at my local high school so I went to the Internet and simply googled "too tight pants" or "slutty cheerleaders" so that's what you saw; but I'm pretty sure if I walked on the high school grounds, I could snap a picture within a few minutes of arriving on campus of everything I was talking about, from too-tight pants to too short a skirt to too low a neckline.
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Some women will dress slutty, doesn't mean it's something ALL women do,

I perfectly realize this.
In fact, you'll note that I try to use qualifying words like "some" or "most" when I say 'women'.
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most of the time we really dress to feel good, you know we like how a material feels on our skin, how a skirt swirls around our legs, you know that thing called "power dressing"? The right dress makes us feel better, I don't know about you, but if I'm facing a bunch of suits and have to give them a presentation, I want to be well put together, it gives me confidence, I wouldn't have that confidence if I would have to worry about a wardrobe malfunction, if I'd worry that they think I'm dressed wrong and dismiss as a bimbo flaunting her assets. If I'm wearing jeans they should be comfy, but they also shouldn't make me look like I should skip the puddings and head for the salad bar and the gym, because if I think I look good, I just feel better.

I saw the picture of you dressed at work sitting down with your husband standing over you and another picture of you standing up with the same dress on and you looked perfectly professional.
You look like almost every woman I meet in the high-tech world who is in management and/or who is over a certain age (of somewhere around thirty or so).
How you dressed is perfectly reasonable.
While you clearly have a fantastic figure, I don't think men would "leer" at you all that often when you're dressed that way, simply because the message is professional.

Like it or not, what we wear sends a message.
Like it or not, people react based on how THEY perceived that message.
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I can't really explain it simpler terms


I don't think I can either.
We've done our best.

We're almost in violent agreement.
I just want (some) women to think more about what message they're sending.
I also agree that men should NEVER touch them or grope them or pinch them or, heaven forbid, rape them, for any reason whatsoever.

I was taught that women and children are to be revered and to never ever be hurt, but to be protected at all times.
Anyone who knows me knows I adhere to that hard and fast rule.

Given I have seen something like two dozen pictures of you, and in none of them are you dressed sluttily, might I ask what the circumstances were/are when men apparently "leer" at you?


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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 6:47:19 PM   
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Most women do not habitually dress like sluts, I just asked hubby if he can remember if I ever dressed slutty - his reply "No, but if you want to, I'm not going to stop you, wake me up if you plan to!"

I blurted out my drink as I read that!
It was so apropos!

I've seen your photos, and you have the body of a Goddess!
So, if you wanna dress sluttily, by all means, wake up your husband because he's gonna need his cardiac medication to slow his beat down to 150 bpm or so.

BTW, you don't have to answer this, but, did you dress "sexily" for Halloween?
Did he?




Lemme get this straight... you don't understand the "creeper" concept, yet you execute it flawlessly.

>stymied<

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 6:56:46 PM   
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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 7:02:04 PM   
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Really? Where do you live because where I live, in those occupations, shirts are required by OSHA.

Protective gear here...

I just googled construction workers here and the only one I could find who was shirtless was working on a roof and came with a warning for skin cancer, he also had rather ample breasts and somewhat of a beer belly.

Male and female models tend to be trim and fit,
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Regarding models, size 0 takes a whole lot less fabric to produce outfits when there is no guarantee every single prototype will sell, much less become a popular style. This cuts down on upfront cost outlay so that designers can afford to get creative with adding on frills.

I just told Cub there has not been a single construction worker who has ever caught my eye, not once.
Those are sites I avoid as much as possible due to wolf-whistles and catcalls that work crews stereotypically engage in.

What alternate universe does SweerbutMental originate from? Village People Gone Wild?
In his dreams and fantastical longings, for sure.
Mental, are you certain those women were checking out your imaginary friends, or amusing themselves--there are those persons who make a hobby-like sport of people-watching, which I happen to find a creepy practice.

My ex-partner's best buddy & bro were roofers, who would go shirtless in the summer months while working.
They were UP ON ROOFS and rarely seen by other non-workmen, not much noticed by local residents (much to their chagrin when they would spot a pretty lady sunbathing out in her backyard).

It was funny how their dark russet-tanned backs contrasted with their barely tanned chests, and fish-belly white legs when wearing cargo shorts or swim trunks at picnics. LOL
My galpals and myself could not help but notice when those roofer friends were getting kidded by their buds about the lack of tan uniformity and symmetry.
(The guys were comparing their mismatched skin tones, as if it were an impromptu contest, much like showing off scars.)

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 7:02:31 PM   
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Lemme get this straight... you don't understand the "creeper" concept, yet you execute it flawlessly.

Whom was that directed at?
Me? Or Lady Constanze?

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 7:03:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		ROFL, those pictures you deep "at work" were our wedding pictures, we obviously took it very seriously, lol and I show a bit more cleavage there than I usually show when working. As I said, flaunting assets in a professional environment automatically puts you in the "bimbo" drawer, not a good move.

It's basically wearing normal stuff, jeans and t-shirts, shopping, public transport is a good one for that, I don't know why guys when they use trains often behave like they are the studmuffins of the world and undress you with their eyes, I'm going to London a lot by train (you do NOT want to drive into London and look for parking, think Manhattan) on the way back we sometimes meet up and I wait for him in a pub, then, but then I'm usually wearing a business suit or something semi formal, depending who the meeting was with, a bit more formal if it's corporate, more relaxed if it's a client, there must be something about a woman walking alone into a pub or a bar that gets guys to behave oddly.
That's the stuff that gets me, you know, that I'm dressing in a way that is NOT intended to be flirty or anything, that I'm minding my own business, with a cleavage down to my navel, I'd go a bit "yeah, asked for it..."

I don't think perception is all, because for example if I would perceive that you were excessively rude to me and you clearly weren't, that would be my problem because my perception then is wrong, I think it's the same with clothes and how men perceive them.

Btw I was inline skating around LA and a pickup truck with some guys also waited for the green light (obviously I was on the sidewalk) and the guys decided to tell me in great detail what they'd like to do, I kinda lost it and yelled "Nice tooth, cracker, maybe get a 2nd one" (their dental upkeep was a bit neglected) a friend went "Are you a bit nuts, you never know if they might not be crazy or armed..."

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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 7:13:04 PM   
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Regarding models, size 0 takes a whole lot less fabric to produce outfits when there is no guarantee every single prototype will sell, much less become a popular style. This cuts down on upfront cost outlay so that designers can afford to get creative with adding on frills.


Trust me the fabric is the least cost with catwalk items, it's simply easier to drape and hang on something that is less curvy, if you take 80% of the couture items and translate them to a more normal size (say a 4 to 8 on a woman who's not 6' tall) they won't look as good, plus if all the models are skinny size 0's you can interchange the garments easier, the more curves the more size variations. Couture shows are the biggest loss in the fashion business and only there to drive the pret-a-porter and off the rack lines, and of course the fragrances and accessories, they are the real money spinners.

But yeah, the construction workers I tend to see don't look like the guy in the Coke ad but more like this guy



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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 7:17:41 PM   
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If I put a fuel octane of less than 95 in my car - the engine fucks up and the accelerator thingy that controls the fuel also fucks up at £1,200 a pop.
Plenty of forums all over the place saying not to put in lower octane fuel because of the problems it causes.
I have used lower octane when funds have been a tad short and I notice the difference... a LOT.


Wow. That's pretty compelling. The engine fucks up, hmmmm... And the accelerator thingey also fucks up. Hmmm...

I wish I knew as much about the anti-knock index indication in the octane rating as you do, because if I knew what you seem to know, I could perform miracles without any engine tuning effort.

To the main point, we all need to better UNDERSTAND what the women were doing/wearing/saying when they were "leered" at, and, what the men were thinking who did the leering.

Otherwise, we'd all have to perform miracles like you seem to have done with your vehicle.


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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 7:22:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HoneyBears
I just told Cub there has not been a single construction worker who has ever caught my eye, not once.

I'll cop to one who caught my eye but it had nothing to do with what he looked like at the job site.

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My ex-partner's best buddy & bro were roofers, who would go shirtless in the summer months while working.

It was funny how their dark russet-tanned backs contrasted with their barely tanned chests, and fish-belly white legs when wearing cargo shorts or swim trunks at picnics. LOL

Same thing happens with the workers who have to wear t-shirt at minimum when compared to the white contrast of the chest. Showing the different skin tones were some of the pics I got from the individual late last summer. It is a bit comical.

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My galpals and myself could not help but notice when those roofer friends were getting kidded by their buds about the lack of tan uniformity and symmetry.
(The guys were comparing their mismatched skin tones, as if it were an impromptu contest, much like showing off scars.)

-- Lisa

Yep. Exactly.



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RE: Don't be a creeper - 12/1/2015 7:30:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
ROFL, those pictures you deep "at work" were our wedding pictures, we obviously took it very seriously, lol

My mistake. I'm sure you captioned them, but I only looked that one time for the "stalking" thread, and I just remember you were wearing a very professional looking tan dress that wasn't too short nor did the bustline plunge (it was flat, actually, across, as I recall). And you were in an office-like environment, with another person holding a book or something like that, and then the second one was you at a desk with another large book in front of you.

Anyway, they were very professional. Even your black two-piece bathing-suit picture was tasteful.
So, I would highly doubt you dress like a slut.

But, I have noticed that women dress like sluts often on Halloween, so, that's why I asked.
I've very often asked friends why, and they always say it's fun, but, I really think that (some) women dress as sluttily as they can get away with sometimes.
And Halloween is just such an excuse.

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
I don't know why guys when they use trains often behave like they are the studmuffins of the world and undress you with their eyes

In the USA, most of us rarely see the inside of a train, nor a bus.
We fly from SF to LA, for example, whereas in Europe, two major cities would almost certainly have a train line between them.

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
I don't think perception is all, because for example if I would perceive that you were excessively rude to me and you clearly weren't, that would be my problem because my perception then is wrong, I think it's the same with clothes and how men perceive them.

I agree that perception is only part of the story.
The devil is in the details of each specific scenario, because there is a message being sent and a (perhaps different?) message being received.

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
Btw I was inline skating around LA and a pickup truck with some guys also waited for the green light (obviously I was on the sidewalk) and the guys decided to tell me in great detail what they'd like to do...

Low-class men act like low-class men.
You can't fix them.
More are being made every day.

You can only avoid them.


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