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RE: General thoughts on humanity. - 12/6/2015 1:14:13 PM

NorthernGent

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The simple fact that humans are more than happy to kill other humans for pretty fucked up reasons prove my point.

What strikes me as strange is that I have seen Europeans scream about US drone strikes that take out innocents, and yet after Paris, Europeans are applauding air strikes conducted by France, knowing full and well that innocent civilians are buried under the rubble as well as ISIS members.

Which Europeans?

I do agree that what is good for the goose is good for the gander - regarding your US/Europe air strikes point.

But, Europe isn't like the United States in that we're not one homogenous group.

We, the English, agree with the rest of Europe on barely anything - and we're not really European, by geography granted but in thought we don't have that much in common with them. In fact, the United States has more in common with say Germany and France than we do.

And, can only speak for myself but I think most of you are idiots. The British Government, the United States Government, the French Government and these other idiots calling themselves ISIS or whatever and killing people for no good reason in the grand scheme of life.

The best thing that could ever happen is that you people who think violence is the answer just get on with it and kill one another.

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RE: General thoughts on humanity. - 12/6/2015 6:51:12 PM

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No this is not another gun control thread.

This is merely a thread about the futility of people screaming about mass killings, murder or any other form of human endeavor that involves the elimination of another human life.

I am 54 years old, been around this rock a couple of times, and seen exactly what humans do to each other. And it is not a minority of humans doing it.

The majority of humans on this planet either actively involve themselves in the elimination of other humans or support any action that achieves the killing of other people.

Trump calls for the whole sale bombing of ISIS controlled areas, his ratings soar. Obama sits on his ass and does nothing, his ratings drop to the sewer.

France bombs ISIS areas, there is celebration in the streets, even though not everyone in the target area were ISIS supporters.

The most popular movies today are those with as much blood, gore, murder and mayhem that the producers can get by the censors. I have watched people cheer when a major fight breaks out at a pee wee hockey game for christ's sake.

Humans are a violent, blood thirsty species. African villages are wiped out for being a different tribe, even though they are of the same genetic stock and even the same religion.

Muslim extremists kill non Muslims in some holy war while at the same time killing other Muslims for not being in the same sect.

The human species is incapable of peaceful coexistence

So you want Obama to send in the fleet and go...kill more people. Almost all of the movies today are about people trying to or successfully...killing people. Never knew of any movie censors who censor out...people killing people.

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RE: General thoughts on humanity. - 12/6/2015 7:33:04 PM

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The simple fact that humans are more than happy to kill other humans for pretty fucked up reasons prove my point.

What strikes me as strange is that I have seen Europeans scream about US drone strikes that take out innocents, and yet after Paris, Europeans are applauding air strikes conducted by France, knowing full and well that innocent civilians are buried under the rubble as well as ISIS members.

I am telling you and the kinkroids, it is about having the power. There are many countries with navies and their people aren't screaming for their govt. to go kill ISIS.

You look at those in history and [it] tells you that war is a racket, it is about power, wealth, hegemony. Then we call the unlucky who feel they need to join up that they are what, heroes and pin medals on them and celebrate them at virtually every fucking ball game.

Society especially in the US and the west but yes, also many other countries...glorify war and killing. The video games are games and we glorify victory with points which is killing and conquering or even mere survival.

The culture of war and killing is now created by govt. and those in power. The opposition are called traitors for not wanting to go to war and kill. Obama is called a pussy or socialist sympathizer or Kenyan Muslim mostly because he doesn't send in the fleet to make more war and kill more people. The French and the Russians, I guess feeling weak otherwise...cheer on their air attacks.

The reason you didn't wasn't your boy to go is because you know it isn't a game, it isn't glory...it's death and destruction.

As Kant wrote as you just did in another way. They (govt.) send military to other countries to invade as if (those countries) belong to nobody. (nobody the invaders don't hesitate to kill) and proves that history will always...be written in blood.

Churchill said as much in the 1920's. The British empire was created with what...their navy and gunpowder. In effect, your country will now become a British vassal state, or...we'll kill you.

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RE: General thoughts on humanity. - 12/7/2015 11:49:32 AM

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The best thing that could ever happen is that you people who think violence is the answer just get on with it and kill one another.

So, NG, you are an ideological pacifist? Or you have a non-violent solution to the ISIS take over of territory and the murder of populations in Iraq/Syria?

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RE: General thoughts on humanity. - 12/7/2015 12:09:23 PM

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Vincent, I think that first part of your post is a particularly good question. I might have posted something like this before here:

was out running with a colleague/friend one day and the bridge we were about to go over was lined with protestors holding signs decrying the gulf war. I appreciated their ability and willingness to do that, but the same question popped into my head as my friend, who was recently married and about to be a father, made some negative comments about violence. I said, if everyone of those people on the bridge would not be willing to raise a hand to an attacker to save their own lives, or the lives of their family, then theyd have a much better moral leg to stand on.

this is not to say we cannot have legitimate problems with any particular war (or even war in the abstract) or that there might not be meaningful differences between a state, and an individual, but the protestations make me wonder how much like ghandi, or martin luther king jr, or their followers, the protestors are, as opposed to just feeling the moral self righteousness that comes from protesting.

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RE: General thoughts on humanity. - 12/7/2015 3:26:47 PM

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The best thing that could ever happen is that you people who think violence is the answer just get on with it and kill one another.

So, NG, you are an ideological pacifist? Or you have a non-violent solution to the ISIS take over of territory and the murder of populations in Iraq/Syria?

Dunno about the ideological pacifist bit, in my view I'm more of a pragmatist.

To me it's merely a glaring conclusion that in the event you let your dog run wild in your next door neighbour's garden, then sooner or later he will take action - and that action might not be to your liking according to your rules of engagement.

He may poison your dog or something and you're thinking that ain't in the spirit of neighbourly disagreements, but he's thinking fuck the fucking spirit of neighbourly engagements I've had enough of some thing shitting in my garden.

That to me is no more than the inevitable outcome. Were I an incessant pest with my next door neighbour, such as always poking my nose in, always thinking I know best, and turning up uninvited laying claim to his garden, kitchen and just about everything bar his wife; then eventually he will resolve to settle the issue - whatever it takes.

And, the chickens are coming home to roost. But, only to an extent. ISIS are nowhere near the crack outfit that some on here would believe, and you have experience to draw upon here - The Sandinistas who were a rag tag outfit although according to the United States Government they were the Mongol Hordes.

Long story short, probably not a pacifist because if you people are intent on violence then be my guest.

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