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PeonForHer -> RE: Drafting Women (12/8/2015 4:17:07 PM)

There you go, you see. In any given war in which the opposing side has female soldiers, you're bound to come up against a svelte and lissome woman from the opposing side, pointing a rifle at you and looking sweaty and menacing, her chest heaving. She won't be able to shoot you, though, on account of she's a woman and women don't like shooting people. However, all the battle adrenaline will be running through her. She'll grab you by the throat and, gulping, she'll suddenly plant her lips on your mouth and kiss you ravenously, biting your lower lip as she does so. Panting wildly, you'll both be in the floor in moments, her biting hungrily at your throat, as you both tear at each other's clothes. Amidst the dirt, grime and gunfire, you'll both be rolling around, each wanting to eat the other, in utter frenzied abandon. All thoughts of the War - and the fact that you're nominally enemies - will have been banished. This is the pure spirit of lust, borne out of the heat of the moment. Then you'll both lie panting, all reason - nay, all thoughts of any kind - banished, as you stare into each other's eyes, with primitive, animal-like passion.

This is just a very ordinary scenario in a war in which women are involved, Thompson. I do wish you'd stop idealising about women just being efficient soldiers and stuff. You need to take a more realistic view.



thompsonx -> RE: Drafting Women (12/8/2015 4:38:21 PM)

But will she respect me in the morning?



PeonForHer -> RE: Drafting Women (12/8/2015 4:42:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

But will she respect me in the morning?


Of course not. You're a lunatic.



thompsonx -> RE: Drafting Women (12/8/2015 4:44:22 PM)


ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


ORIGINAL: thompsonx

But will she respect me in the morning?


Of course not. You're a lunatic.


Yes that is most likely true but I can lick my eyebrows



Greta75 -> RE: Drafting Women (12/8/2015 7:36:09 PM)

With voluntary female military in the US at the moment, isn't there the controversy of them getting raped by the males? It just shows how helpless they can be, even if they were trained tough soldiers.

I just think like physically, when they are up against males from other countries, they are just gonna have a tough time.

True equality is not having different fitness standards for male and female. IF a female wants to be soldier, she needs to be able to hit the same fitness level as a man to be capable of defending herself properly.

I don't know how drafting works, but in my country, most compulsory military people goes into infantry. All the higher positions goes to volunteers, I mean full timers. Infantry to me is physically demanding and may not involve battle of the wits, after all, isn't it your sergeant or captain or whatever it's called the one who does the brain work and infantry soldiers just execute orders? I believe women can beat men with their brains. I just don't think they can with brawn.



thompsonx -> RE: Drafting Women (12/18/2015 2:01:05 PM)


ORIGINAL: Greta75

With voluntary female military in the US at the moment, isn't there the controversy of them getting raped by the males? It just shows how helpless they can be, even if they were trained tough soldiers.

I would pay a nickle to watch someone try to rape rhonda roussey

I just think like physically, when they are up against males from other countries, they are just gonna have a tough time.

The nva girls did not seem to have a tough time against the usa boys

Infantry to me is physically demanding and may not involve battle of the wits, after all, isn't it your sergeant or captain or whatever it's called the one who does the brain work and infantry soldiers just execute orders?

Have you ever considered using your head for something beside a hat rack?




KenDckey -> RE: Drafting Women (2/5/2016 10:44:39 AM)

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http://www.stripes.com/news/house-bill-requires-women-to-sign-up-for-draft-1.392180

Two House Republicans introduced a bill Thursday requiring eligible women in the United States to sign up for the military draft, just days after it was recommended by the Marine Corps and Army.

Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., a Marine veteran, and Rep. Ryan Zinke, R-Minn., a retired Navy SEAL, filed the Draft American’s Daughters Act to stoke debate over the military’s historic move to fully integrate female troops into all combat roles. If passed, women from 18-26 years old would for the first time have to join men in registering with the Selective Service program and potentially be forced to fight in future wars.


About time



DominantWrestler -> RE: Drafting Women (2/5/2016 2:05:25 PM)

Have you seen the Olympic lift records set by woman? It's crazy. I'd recommend looking up Clean and Jerks in particular. Steel bar bending under the weight

One interesting concept to the military is how the populace reacts to American presence. Could a female presence create a less hostile perception in locals?



KenDckey -> RE: Drafting Women (2/5/2016 6:53:43 PM)

Except for the Army/Navy game never watch sports. I don't even know who is playing in the superbowl And based upon my experience male/female makes no difference in perception.



Phydeaux -> RE: Drafting Women (2/5/2016 7:27:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TieMeInKnottss

Yeah, it is the compulsory service. Many countries do it (i.e. Israel).


Israel is not many.

For the record this is an idiotic idea.

Mixed gender firefight teams lost every single time to all male teams.
The US Navy is spending a billion dollars to retrofit womens bathrooms on air craft carriers - space that was originally used for mission purposes.
Women have 3 times the absences as men; cost to redeploy a single soldier at a forward base is in excess of 200k.
Women that get pregnant are relieved of the obligation of active duty. 17% of women in active duty on extended carrier trips get pregnant.

No woman has ever passed the rquirements for Seals, rangers, etc. Solution: they lowered the standards.
Engineering an ejection seat that will accomodate both a 120 lb female and a 180 lb male means doubled costs (over a million dollars each), and heightened chance of accident for both

This is a stupid idea sacrificing one of the areas of govt that actually work on the alter of political correctness.



Phydeaux -> RE: Drafting Women (2/5/2016 7:29:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Except for the Army/Navy game never watch sports. I don't even know who is playing in the superbowl And based upon my experience male/female makes no difference in perception.


And you'd be wrong. Males have greater visual acuity, better spatial awareness. The also have faster neural connections in the preoptic nerve that enable them to differentiate forms as well as friend/foe faster.

One of the reasons video games are so predominantly male.



BamaD -> RE: Drafting Women (2/5/2016 7:39:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I still don't understand this draft thing. Is it voluntary or compulsory? Are men selected for draft against their will? Or do they volunteer?

If it's involuntary then by all means, definitely let women in too! But if it's forcing a selective number of males into it, then, it should be completely eradicated. Surely US has enough people to volunteer that they wouldn't need to force people into it.

The draft is "forced" enlistment into the military.
There has not been a draft in this country since the 70's.
However, a few years ago young men had to start registering for the draft.
Recently women "won the right" to serve in combat positions.
Thus since they "won the right" to complete "equality" registering for the draft would be part of it.



BamaD -> RE: Drafting Women (2/5/2016 7:52:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler

Have you seen the Olympic lift records set by woman? It's crazy. I'd recommend looking up Clean and Jerks in particular. Steel bar bending under the weight

One interesting concept to the military is how the populace reacts to American presence. Could a female presence create a less hostile perception in locals?

In some societies sending female troops would be taken as a gross insult.



DominantWrestler -> RE: Drafting Women (2/6/2016 6:25:05 AM)

Most men couldn't make seals. I don't know enough of the exact requirements to say whether there are woman who could pass, I just know when I was really into lifting there were some scary females with insane performances. Do you have cite Phydeaux?

As for the perception, what I was speaking of is the tendency of males to be aggressive and how it often times is directed at males intruding on territory based on basic animal instinct. Combine this with tensions of foreigners "breeding with our women" and the introduction of females into military service migh ease certain tensions

They also allow those requiring glasses to serve. Women also are better socially and with languages, meaning they can pick up on the native tongue and are more perceptive of body language, intonation, etc.

If the insult of females in the military is so great as to cause hostility, consider deploying them elsewhere or demonstrate the value of women everywhere, or not.

Sexual assault is also a concern, but considering ISIS rapes men and women while on uppers (meth? but don't quote me), who knows what to do. This is just opinion, but if they are capable of performing, allow them to serve

As for the draft in particular, considering our official budget, not certain black ops considered so secret as to not be listed in the budget, is over 1/3 of the world military budget, the day there is a draft in America we will probably be in WWIII. God forgive us if that day comes



KenDckey -> RE: Drafting Women (2/6/2016 9:01:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Except for the Army/Navy game never watch sports. I don't even know who is playing in the superbowl And based upon my experience male/female makes no difference in perception.


And you'd be wrong. Males have greater visual acuity, better spatial awareness. The also have faster neural connections in the preoptic nerve that enable them to differentiate forms as well as friend/foe faster.

One of the reasons video games are so predominantly male.


That was in response to another post about local perceptions.



DesideriScuri -> RE: Drafting Women (2/8/2016 5:08:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
There are two parts to this. First is registration. Registration is a contingency plan in the event that a Draft should become needed in response to whatever need the government thinks they need to implement it for.
The second part is implementation of conscription. Do I forsee the possibility of implementation of conscription? Who knows. Surely not me. If we declared war with some major power such as Russia or China, then I think the probability exists. Should we implement it with the war on terrorism? I don't know. That is a political decision that I hope is never made.
Needless to say, I only agreed with the registration part. As long as we have registration, we should register all not a select few based upon gender. Especially since they now allow women in all positions within the Army.

Some country threats the USA, enough to force us to consider conscription of people....
....We nuke that country. Thereby not needing a reason to waste America's time with a draft.
You sort of forget we have the biggest military on the planet! We have eleven nuclear carrier....FLEETS. We have around forty nuclear 'boomer' submarines (each one able to destroy everything from Bango, ME to Key West, FL). The Air Force has stealth bombers for delivering those nukes in the right places. We have pile loads of special forces. An we have the Army and Marines whom will be more then happy to kick someone's teeth in just for thinking of hurting US Citizens.
We can call up the reserves and nation guards of each state. After that, all the law enforcement. Whomever is left has such easy access to firearms, it will not be tough to outfit the populace!
I do not see a need for a draft.


Then we should also stop requiring males from registering, right?

Ken, as long as we have male registration, we should have female registration. Women can serve in any position they qualify for now, so, why shouldn't they have to register, too?

Michael, women should have the same requirements as men, and only those that meet those requirements should be put in boots. I believe the goal of the military is to make a uniform fighting force, which you can't do if you don't have the same standards.



DesideriScuri -> RE: Drafting Women (2/8/2016 5:14:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
But it sounds like drafted people only gets call in, if there is a real emergency and need to. I don't know why Vietnam was considered one that require drafted to be called on.


Greta, we hadn't gone to an all-volunteer military yet. It wasn't until after 'Nam that the US ended the draft.

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But when would they have the time to be properly trained to participate in real wars!
Can't imagine them throwing like sped up brief trained soldiers in there.


How much training does it take to get a soldier ready for war? That's how much training these people would get. If you get drafted, you aren't just given a gun, told to point and pull the trigger, and then an outfit. They go through training to get them ready before they are sent out into the fray.



DesideriScuri -> RE: Drafting Women (2/8/2016 5:22:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
Except for the Army/Navy game never watch sports. I don't even know who is playing in the superbowl And based upon my experience male/female makes no difference in perception.

And you'd be wrong. Males have greater visual acuity, better spatial awareness. The also have faster neural connections in the preoptic nerve that enable them to differentiate forms as well as friend/foe faster.
One of the reasons video games are so predominantly male.


Phydeaux, Ken was responding to the question as to whether a foreign populace would perceive a female soldier as less hostile than they would a male soldier. It wasn't about the physical differences between males and females.



Phydeaux -> RE: Drafting Women (2/8/2016 6:11:35 PM)

So?

Still one of many reasons for not having female combat troops

The idea that equality means exact sameness is ridiculous. Women have children, men don't. Men and women are not identical - nor interchangeable. Drafting laws as if they were is ridiculous.



Lucylastic -> RE: Drafting Women (2/8/2016 6:22:54 PM)

To me it sounds like a pissed off group of men who have decided that women are whinging being equal, so will draft all women, instead of accepting that some women want to be out in the fighting.

But then im just cynical.



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