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thompsonx -> RE: Pearl Harbor Day (12/29/2015 5:30:57 AM)
ORIGINAL: MrRodgers ORIGINAL: thompsonx Before Stalin, it was the Jews but after 1928, then came Stalin and things changed. Are you trying to tell me that marx did not say that religion was the opiat of the masses? Please do not try to conflate ethnicity with religion. Lenin the defacto leader at the time of the revolution, was also 1/4 Jewish whose maternal grandfather, Israel (Alexander) Blank, was a Ukrainian Jew who was later baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church . So in the leaders of revolution and the institutions that followed...were mostly Jews. Well-informed observers, both inside and outside of Russia, took note at the time of the crucial Jewish role in Bolshevism. Winston Churchill, for one, warned in an article published in the February 8, 1920, issue of the London Illustrated Sunday Herald that Bolshevism is a "worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality." The eminent British political leader and historian went on to write: There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate, Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combatting Counter-Revolution [the Cheka] has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution." The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, made much the same point a few months later: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things." The goals of bolshivism ae pretty clear so I fail to see the relevance of your opinion that simply reiterates what is well known ie: bolshivism (socialism leading to commmunism) was seen as a replacement for the priviledge of the aristocracy. "The Bolshevik Revolution, "declared a leading American Jewish community paper in 1920," was largely the product of Jewish thinking, Jewish discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct." Not sure what you are trying to prove? Is it that jews were educated enough to see the difference between someone's imaginary friend sanctifying them to lead vs. merit being the qualifier? In the struggle for power that followed Lenin's death in 1924, Stalin emerged victorious over his rivals, eventually succeeding in putting to death nearly every one of the most prominent early Bolsheviks leaders - inclu Wasn't he a catholic??? who, like jews and protestants,became an athiest like all the rest of the bolshiviks? ding Trotsky, Zinoviev, Radek, and Kamenev. With the passage of time, and particularly after 1928, the Jewish role in the top leadership of the Soviet state and its Communist party diminished markedly. My point was that religion was removed from the precipts of government.

MrRodgers -> RE: Pearl Harbor Day (12/29/2015 9:35:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: MrRodgers ORIGINAL: thompsonx Before Stalin, it was the Jews but after 1928, then came Stalin and things changed. Are you trying to tell me that marx did not say that religion was the opiat of the masses? Please do not try to conflate ethnicity with religion. Lenin the defacto leader at the time of the revolution, was also 1/4 Jewish whose maternal grandfather, Israel (Alexander) Blank, was a Ukrainian Jew who was later baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church . So in the leaders of revolution and the institutions that followed...were mostly Jews. Well-informed observers, both inside and outside of Russia, took note at the time of the crucial Jewish role in Bolshevism. Winston Churchill, for one, warned in an article published in the February 8, 1920, issue of the London Illustrated Sunday Herald that Bolshevism is a "worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality." The eminent British political leader and historian went on to write: There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate, Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combatting Counter-Revolution [the Cheka] has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution." The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, made much the same point a few months later: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things." The goals of bolshivism ae pretty clear so I fail to see the relevance of your opinion that simply reiterates what is well known ie: bolshivism (socialism leading to commmunism) was seen as a replacement for the priviledge of the aristocracy. "The Bolshevik Revolution, "declared a leading American Jewish community paper in 1920," was largely the product of Jewish thinking, Jewish discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct." Not sure what you are trying to prove? Is it that jews were educated enough to see the difference between someone's imaginary friend sanctifying them to lead vs. merit being the qualifier? In the struggle for power that followed Lenin's death in 1924, Stalin emerged victorious over his rivals, eventually succeeding in putting to death nearly every one of the most prominent early Bolsheviks leaders - inclu Wasn't he a catholic??? who, like jews and protestants,became an athiest like all the rest of the bolshiviks? ding Trotsky, Zinoviev, Radek, and Kamenev. With the passage of time, and particularly after 1928, the Jewish role in the top leadership of the Soviet state and its Communist party diminished markedly. My point was that religion was removed from the precipts of government. Well what I have is not my opinion, it is the opinion of those to which I referred and by virtue of their positions...should be obviously convincing. A few at least, on this board have asked how it was that Jews were involved. I think the above is pretty self-explanatory. Insofar as Churchill and the diplomats were concerned, it was not just a Jewish takeover as it were and given that they were not the commanding participants, there was more afoot than just overthrowing Czarist Russia. In their minds, there was an even a larger goal and much more than just simply the 'replacement' of the 'privileged' aristocracy. Even the Jewish community at least for one such American Jewish publication, the Bolshevik revolution was not only Jewish thinking and inspired by Jewish discontent, but also from a desire to reconstruct society which was in the minds of the diplomats, destined to be...a world-wide revolution. Seems fairly certain that for these Jews, religion wasn't to play a role at all but was much more a political ideal.

NorthernGent -> RE: Pearl Harbor Day (12/29/2015 10:42:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "No he wasn't. He was a complete fool with no brains. " If so, then what are you ? you have no army, no political power, shitty knowledge of history which all probably came from grade school. you have not implemented a plan of mass manufacturing automobiles like Henry Ford, who is a friend with mutual respect. you hav enot convinced anyone to take up arms against anyone else. You know nothing of running a country or a war. So he was a complete fool who accomplished all these things and you have not. What does that make you ? T^T Sorry, you stepped into it. I learned long ago to not put down my betters. I mean like when I was young. Yeah, he was a wise man. Just like the Kaiser. What they did between them was take a nation that was performing extremely well in areas of science, philosophy, literature, music and so on; an destroyed that nation. Between them they ruined decades of German people's endeavour and creativity. That's not very clever by anyone's standards. He didn't accomplish anything at all. He led Germany into the abyss. I suppose that is the fault of "the bankers", "the Jews" and the "meddling British". Nothing to do with Hitler and associates you'll argue. Wise men construct and achieve; they don't lead a nation into inevitable destruction. Any group of leaders can pour its resources into armaments. That's hardly an achievement. All it means that when you use this arsenal other countries are going to stop you. And, Hitler having political power is hardly something to write home about. He's the last person you'd want to have political power. Hitler did what he was put in power to do. Borrow and buy with western capital. What he did to Germany was of little consequence. As long as the western taxpayers foot the bill, mission accomplished. Hitler did the exact opposite of what he was put in power to do. The people who put him in power were those such as Hindenburg, the German middle class and assorted German industrialists. Not "the bankers", nor "the Jews", nor "the meddling British" by the way, not even the Americans for that matter. They all thought he was an idiot who could be easily controlled. They all shared a belief that Germany's cultural and industrial supremacy was a given and paramount, and so they were willing to tolerate a jumped-up, uncouth corporal (their words, not mine) providing he galvanised the masses towards traditional German aims (at the expense of Communism). Problem was they underestimated the German people's capacity to be just as idiotic as Hitler. Nothing to do with the West and the bankers and the rest of it.

NorthernGent -> RE: Pearl Harbor Day (12/29/2015 10:47:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "And, of course when he said Communism and 'the international bankers', he meant: "the Jews". And he was 100 % fucking right. And still is today. Since stalin was anti religion including jews. Perhaps you could tell us just how well the jews did under stalin&co? Before Stalin, it was the Jews but after 1928, then came Stalin and things changed. Lenin the defacto leader at the time of the revolution, was also 1/4 Jewish whose maternal grandfather, Israel (Alexander) Blank, was a Ukrainian Jew who was later baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church . So in the leaders of revolution and the institutions that followed...were mostly Jews. Well-informed observers, both inside and outside of Russia, took note at the time of the crucial Jewish role in Bolshevism. Winston Churchill, for one, warned in an article published in the February 8, 1920, issue of the London Illustrated Sunday Herald that Bolshevism is a "worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality." The eminent British political leader and historian went on to write: There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate, Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combatting Counter-Revolution [the Cheka] has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution." The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, made much the same point a few months later: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things." "The Bolshevik Revolution, "declared a leading American Jewish community paper in 1920," was largely the product of Jewish thinking, Jewish discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct." In the struggle for power that followed Lenin's death in 1924, Stalin emerged victorious over his rivals, eventually succeeding in putting to death nearly every one of the most prominent early Bolsheviks leaders - including Trotsky, Zinoviev, Radek, and Kamenev. With the passage of time, and particularly after 1928, the Jewish role in the top leadership of the Soviet state and its Communist party diminished markedly. So yes, with Stalin, the Russian (communist) revolution was a done deal and the prominent Jews, gone. But it's not hard to see the influence of industrialists, bankers and warmongers that came to dominate the west. A very interesting read: HERE with many objective sources. This is the same Churchill who said something like: "the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter". That tells you everything you need to know about him. Why you would appeal to such an ardent aristocrat, when that's the very argument you're supposed to be opposed to, is anyone's guess. I've absolutely no respect for Churchill. First of all, a career politician - liberal when it suited, then conservative, then liberal. Secondly, he had no intention of fighting anyone on the beaches.Nice words though. If you're easily convinced with what comes out of someone's mouth then Churchill is your man.

Real0ne -> RE: Pearl Harbor Day (12/29/2015 11:21:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne the chechs even voted to be under germany with 92% of the vote. The treaty of versailles had 117 zioinsts on the board giving away german lands to who ever wanted it. Gave the danzig mostly to the poles where the poles slaughtered between 50,000 to 60,000 men women and children. None of this is remotely true. I would give you source reference, but you and the other two "banker/Jewish conspiracy" crusaders are bat-shit crazy and so it's pointless. Over and out. All throughout history, the great intellectual axiom for the serenely educated upper classes, and even I guess, the not so educated, was that anything they didn't want to believe...was not true. The two most popular were that the world was round and did revolve around the sun. That axiom still holds today and that thinking is just the thinking that is assumed to prevail in most current sociological, political and economic debates. the brits are notoriously famous for blaming the victims of their atrocities. Think about this, Dresden, a defenseless town of awesome historical buildings, monuments, art, and packed with recent incoming refugees, is a great example, there was absolutely nothing there that could help the german war effortno heavy industry, no military targets, and despite the fact that they already knew they had the war won, what did the 'high road good guys' do?...... Not only did they bomb it back to the stone age destroying every damn building but also an insurmountable amount of art and architecture hundreds of years old and get this they followed it with inhumane phosphorous incendiary bombs which baked civilians in their basements melted the asphalt around their bodies as sunk in trying to escape with no where to run. They dropped the incendiary bombs first in the epicenter of town then hours later around the perimeter. This is PREMEDITATED MURDER and WAR CRIMES, a HOLOCAUST of nearly 1/2 million innocent german civilians. Dropping incendiaries first in the center starts a huge fire causing an incredible updraft which pulls the perimeter fires that they started hours later into the center burning everything and every person between the outskirts of the city and the epicenter, and combined with the high winds from the updraft of over 100 mph innocent civilians cant even run away and it burns everything murdering everyone in between. Now here we have gent claiming the british take the high road and hitler was the asshole when its clearly obvious that they intended to annihilate germany by indiscriminately killing as many germans as they could anyway they could fuck the geneva convention, then turn it all around and blame it on to their victims. Oh yeh brits the high road. More like they are fucking psychopaths and will do anything to insure economic superiority for themselves and their pals. OH WAIT; They admitted they intended to commit genocide and annihilate the germans. “To achieve the extirpation of Nazi tyranny there are no lengths of violence to which we [Brits] will not go.” ―Winston Churchill -Speech to Parliament, September 21, 1943. Quoted in Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War (2008) by Patrick J Buchanan, p. 396 - The Second World War (1939 - 1945) quote: extirpate 1. to remove or destroy totally; do away with; exterminate. 2. to pull up by or as if by the roots; root up: to extirpate an unwanted hair. The brits and US [the old aristocracy and their banker pals] are psychopathic murders and there is no one to prosecute any of them for their war crimes. Hitler was set up. and for what? Money for the top .1% and israel for the zionists Frequently the term 'nazi holocaust' is used, it was the nazis who were victims of the holocaust, not the Jews. Dresden and several other cities bombed and burned out with the clear premeditated intent to kill as many innocent germans as possible prove that. So what do you think Gent? Shall we issue a big apology and ask them if they want to kiss and make up? Thats what we did with the japs to fix the war crimes of wasting the innocent civilians, should work for germany too ya think?

Politesub53 -> RE: Pearl Harbor Day (12/29/2015 3:49:10 PM)
Real One........ more bollocks from you. I didnt think you would even try to substantiate your initial claim about Shawcross. As always you posted some other meaningless bullshit.

Real0ne -> RE: Pearl Harbor Day (12/29/2015 4:28:50 PM)
ah...I see Ok here we go, Oh great lacker from the sewer, tell Shawcross to give PS an autographed copy of your speech so he can find something else to whine about. Still trying to sweep the psychopath brit atrocities under the carpet eh.

thompsonx -> RE: Pearl Harbor Day (12/29/2015 7:04:31 PM)
If I understand you correctly the russian revolution was meant to not only overthrow the czar but also to change the political insititutions of government from monarchy to socialism to communism in progressive steps. Which would be the central theme of marx...have I stated your opinion or have I missed something?

MrRodgers -> RE: Pearl Harbor Day (12/29/2015 7:22:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "No he wasn't. He was a complete fool with no brains. " If so, then what are you ? you have no army, no political power, shitty knowledge of history which all probably came from grade school. you have not implemented a plan of mass manufacturing automobiles like Henry Ford, who is a friend with mutual respect. you hav enot convinced anyone to take up arms against anyone else. You know nothing of running a country or a war. So he was a complete fool who accomplished all these things and you have not. What does that make you ? T^T Sorry, you stepped into it. I learned long ago to not put down my betters. I mean like when I was young. Yeah, he was a wise man. Just like the Kaiser. What they did between them was take a nation that was performing extremely well in areas of science, philosophy, literature, music and so on; an destroyed that nation. Between them they ruined decades of German people's endeavour and creativity. That's not very clever by anyone's standards. He didn't accomplish anything at all. He led Germany into the abyss. I suppose that is the fault of "the bankers", "the Jews" and the "meddling British". Nothing to do with Hitler and associates you'll argue. Wise men construct and achieve; they don't lead a nation into inevitable destruction. Any group of leaders can pour its resources into armaments. That's hardly an achievement. All it means that when you use this arsenal other countries are going to stop you. And, Hitler having political power is hardly something to write home about. He's the last person you'd want to have political power. Hitler did what he was put in power to do. Borrow and buy with western capital. What he did to Germany was of little consequence. As long as the western taxpayers foot the bill, mission accomplished. Hitler did the exact opposite of what he was put in power to do. The people who put him in power were those such as Hindenburg, the German middle class and assorted German industrialists. Not "the bankers", nor "the Jews", nor "the meddling British" by the way, not even the Americans for that matter. They all thought he was an idiot who could be easily controlled. They all shared a belief that Germany's cultural and industrial supremacy was a given and paramount, and so they were willing to tolerate a jumped-up, uncouth corporal (their words, not mine) providing he galvanised the masses towards traditional German aims (at the expense of Communism). Problem was they underestimated the German people's capacity to be just as idiotic as Hitler. Nothing to do with the West and the bankers and the rest of it. Well it simply doesn't happen no matter who was put in power, without western capital first to help finance the Nazi party and its rise to power, the re-industrialization of German manufacturing and the rebuilding of the German economy as a whole. I.e., WWII doesn't happen without Standard oil of NJ and their High test (ethyl) gasoline, Ford Motors and their German factories and vehicles, AT&T and the best comm. system in Europe and many armament advancements due to western technology and capital such as $30 billion from the US Fed. Like I wrote, none of it runs on politics, passion, insanity or coincidence. It ALL happens only...with money.

NorthernGent -> RE: Pearl Harbor Day (12/31/2015 1:46:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Frequently the term 'nazi holocaust' is used, it was the nazis who were victims of the holocaust, not the Jews. Dresden and several other cities bombed and burned out with the clear premeditated intent to kill as many innocent germans as possible prove that. So what do you think Gent? Shall we issue a big apology and ask them if they want to kiss and make up? Thats what we did with the japs to fix the war crimes of wasting the innocent civilians, should work for germany too ya think? [/color] Difference being that the Jewish people across Eastern Europe and in Germany were minding their own business living their lives. The German people on the other hand, supported a regime that went waltzing 'round Europe, smashing the place up and killing civilians. I don't agree with Churchill on much, but seems they got a taste of their own medicine and seeing as diplomacy was not on the collective mind of Germany of that time then we were out of peaceful options.

NorthernGent -> RE: Pearl Harbor Day (12/31/2015 1:55:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Well it simply doesn't happen no matter who was put in power, without western capital first to help finance the Nazi party and its rise to power, the re-industrialization of German manufacturing and the rebuilding of the German economy as a whole. 'Course it matters. The contention, I think it was yours although could have been Termyn8tor's, was that "the bankers put them into power". They didn't; Germans put them into power. So, now you move the argument to "western capital financed them". Only partly true and your conclusion doesn't follow. Borrowing and lending is part of the structure of business in any nation. It simply does not follow that this means "the bankers" had the goal of a Hitler taking hold of Germany. Also, I think the following has passed you and the other two by: Germany's economy was recovering before Hitler came to power. The share of the votes for the Nazis actually fell before they came to power because the economy was recovering and so idle promises appealed to fewer people. The Nazis actually thought their chance had come and gone due to said economic recovery which is why they became more militant around that time. They were very fortunate that they came to power at a time when the economy was on the upturn. And, some of you seem to think that Hitler performed some economic miracle. He didn't. He simply poured a load of money into public schemes, such as road building and the likes, and armament production; which generated full employment. Anyone can do that. It provided a short-term boost to the already accelerating economy, yes, but not sustainable. I think it's widely accepted that Ian Kershaw is at the very least one of the leading authorities on Nazi Germany. His conclusion: the Nazi government, politically and economically was an absolute shambles that would have came crashing down war or no war by 1950.

NorthernGent -> RE: Pearl Harbor Day (12/31/2015 2:33:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "And, of course when he said Communism and 'the international bankers', he meant: "the Jews". And he was 100 % fucking right. And still is today. Since stalin was anti religion including jews. Perhaps you could tell us just how well the jews did under stalin&co? Before Stalin, it was the Jews but after 1928, then came Stalin and things changed. Lenin the defacto leader at the time of the revolution, was also 1/4 Jewish whose maternal grandfather, Israel (Alexander) Blank, was a Ukrainian Jew who was later baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church . So in the leaders of revolution and the institutions that followed...were mostly Jews. Well-informed observers, both inside and outside of Russia, took note at the time of the crucial Jewish role in Bolshevism. Winston Churchill, for one, warned in an article published in the February 8, 1920, issue of the London Illustrated Sunday Herald that Bolshevism is a "worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality." The eminent British political leader and historian went on to write: There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate, Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combatting Counter-Revolution [the Cheka] has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution." The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, made much the same point a few months later: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things." "The Bolshevik Revolution, "declared a leading American Jewish community paper in 1920," was largely the product of Jewish thinking, Jewish discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct." In the struggle for power that followed Lenin's death in 1924, Stalin emerged victorious over his rivals, eventually succeeding in putting to death nearly every one of the most prominent early Bolsheviks leaders - including Trotsky, Zinoviev, Radek, and Kamenev. With the passage of time, and particularly after 1928, the Jewish role in the top leadership of the Soviet state and its Communist party diminished markedly. So yes, with Stalin, the Russian (communist) revolution was a done deal and the prominent Jews, gone. But it's not hard to see the influence of industrialists, bankers and warmongers that came to dominate the west. A very interesting read: HERE with many objective sources. You, Termin8tor and RealOne take an incidence which is reasonably factual and draw a conclusion which simply does not follow. That's a constant. Of course there were more Jews involved in the Russian Revolution that other factions within Russian society, but then there were more working class Russians involved. That's just the natural order of things considering the revolution was aimed at redistribution of power and wealth, and as Jewish people were pretty much second class citizens then along with non-Jewish Russians they weren't happy with the established order within Russian. The point is that many Jews were within the working class bracket, as opposed to the Russian Revolution being Jewish international sabotage; just as in England and particularly Germany there were strong socialist movements with Jewish people represented but because they were just another segment of the working classes. They were probably represented more in Russia because of the indiscriminate violence metered out to them by the Russian authorities in a way that didn't happen in Germany and certainly not England. Would you not take the opportunity to change that? Having said that, Communism and Socialism was not some Jewish inspired international sabotage. It was a Europe wide movement that attracted people of various backgrounds with varying motives.

Politesub53 -> RE: Pearl Harbor Day (1/1/2016 3:44:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne ah...I see Ok here we go, Oh great lacker from the sewer, tell Shawcross to give PS an autographed copy of your speech so he can find something else to whine about. Still trying to sweep the psychopath brit atrocities under the carpet eh. Nope just waiting for you to give a fucking answer that isnt arsewipe.

Real0ne -> RE: Pearl Harbor Day (1/2/2016 12:33:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Frequently the term 'nazi holocaust' is used, it was the nazis who were victims of the holocaust, not the Jews. Dresden and several other cities bombed and burned out with the clear premeditated intent to kill as many innocent germans as possible prove that. So what do you think Gent? Shall we issue a big apology and ask them if they want to kiss and make up? Thats what we did with the japs to fix the war crimes of wasting the innocent civilians, should work for germany too ya think? Difference being that the Jewish people across Eastern Europe and in Germany were minding their own business living their lives. The German people on the other hand, supported a regime that went waltzing 'round Europe, smashing the place up and killing civilians. I don't agree with Churchill on much, but seems they got a taste of their own medicine and seeing as diplomacy was not on the collective mind of Germany of that time then we were out of peaceful options. do you ever wise up? you are always running full speed ahead eyes wide closed. TOTAL DESTRUCTION DEMANDED Vladimir Jabotinsky, founder of the Irgun Zvai Leumi terrorist organisation, wrote in the January 1934 issue of Mascha Rjetach: 'For months now the struggle against Germany is waged by each Jewish community at each conference in all our syndicates and by each Jew all over the world. There is reason to believe that our part in this struggle has general value. We will start a spiritual and material war of all the world against Germany's ambitions to become once again a great nation, to recover lost territories and colonies. But our Jewish interests demand Germany's total destruction, collectively and individually. The German nation is a threat to us Jews.' Emil Ludwig Cohen wrote in his book The New Holy Alliance, Strasburg, 1938: 'Even if Hitler at the last moment would want to avoid war which would destroy him he will, in spite of his wishes, be compelled to wage war.' The Jewish newspaper Central Blad Voor Israeliten in Nederlands printed on 13 September 1939: 'The millions of Jews living in America, England, France, North Africa and South, not forgetting Palestine, have decided to carry on the war in Germany to the very end. It is to be a war of extermination.' The Toronto Star (26 February 1940) printed a declaration of a Rabbi Perlberg, Director of the British section of the Jewish World Congress: 'The Jewish World Congress is in a state of war with Germany for seven years.' The Jewish magazine Sentinel of Chicago printed in its issue of 8 October 1940: 'When the National Socialists and their friends cry or whisper that this [the war] is brought about by Jews, they are perfectly right.' Hitler now put into operation the plan of getting all German areas into one state and all Germans under one German Government. The Germans in the Rhineland, the Germans in Austria and the Sudeten Germans responded willingly. In January 1935 the Saar Valley voted to return to Germany with a 90 per-cent poll in favour. There were also Germans in East Prussia and in Danzig now divided by land [stolen from Germany and] ceded to Poland by the Treaty of Versailles. It is interesting to note that between 1933 and 1937 10,000 Jews migrated to Hitler's Germany, 97 of them from Palestine. I can do this all day long gent, there are hundreds of quotes on the subject littered all over the world that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the involvement of Jews [Zionists] who made secret under the table deals with the allied nations all of whom rather then making peace when hitler pleaded for peace instead conspired to wipe germany completely out. The fire [terror] bombing of several cities like dresden that were not military targets and mass murder of innocent civilians proves the case. The Dresden Holocaust 1/2 million innocent German civilians murdered and gruesomely slaughtered by your good guys [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/Zion/dresden.gif[/image] Most of the players were zionists and/or jews. Hell the allies even admit they are war criminals and you simply close your eyes to it all and try to gloss it over with your political opinions instead of the facts

NorthernGent -> RE: Pearl Harbor Day (1/2/2016 1:27:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Hitler now put into operation the plan of getting all German areas into one state and all Germans under one German Government. The Germans in the Rhineland, the Germans in Austria and the Sudeten Germans responded willingly. Your idiocy knows no bounds. And, because you know nothing of Nazi history (facts), you won't have a clue which part of your above statement I'm talking about.

Phydeaux -> RE: Pearl Harbor Day (1/3/2016 2:11:06 PM)
Wow. Thats all I can say. Wow.

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