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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/27/2015 1:04:22 PM   
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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/27/2015 1:43:20 PM   
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The detriment part isn't necessarily always the case.



Sounds like Machiavelli or some such: the monarch should hold no qualms about lying to the people.

Firstly, they're probably too stupid to understand anyway.

Secondly, providing you keep a roof over their heads they'll be happy with that.

When you do not engage honestly and openly it is always to the detriment of the other party - regardless of the outcome.

The outcome isn't important in this.


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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/27/2015 10:55:11 PM   
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When you do not engage honestly and openly it is always to the detriment of the other party - regardless of the outcome.


Well, a wize man once said, "There can be no justice, so long as laws are absolute." ^_~
I guess I like outcomes these days. To form a moral judgement about something I'd probably have to consider everything in relation to the outcome, as a matter of fairness.

I do see where you're coming from, though it's perhaps a bit too black and white for me.

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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/28/2015 7:52:07 AM   
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Well, in case it stretches the imagination too far, rules of rewards and punishment are what else than make people adhere to existing rules? If it isn't manipulation to some degree, then everybody would do the right thing without laws. People usually wouldn't follow laws quite so willingly if there wouldn't be punishment for not following them.



Reward and punishment is straight down the line. Here are your options: choose.

Manipulation is a situation where you're not communicating honestly and openly, and you have a view of the desired outcome which hasn't been discussed with anyone and probably because your interests are paramount - to the detriment of any other party in this engagement.

Sort of like a salesman, which I believe is what the poster claimed to be.




So if you apply for a job or a raise you will not consider how much the company needs you, you aren't trying to focus on your strong points but you willingly volunteer all the times your results weren't spectacular or the times you were late, because that would be the honesty you claim is so important.

Same if you are selling your house, you would absolutely point out everything that is negative about it and possibly accept a much lower price?

As Des said, she manipulated her kids into doing homework and taking meds, how's that bad? She should have a blazing row and possibly let the kid fail in school or get sicker, because you deem that arrangement bad? If she would do that, I think she'd be a rotten parent.

We all, on a daily basis, withhold some info, which in itself is a form of manipulation, according to your code, or we tell white lies to spare somebody embarrassement or hurting their feelings. Somebody you can't stand but lives nearby and they want to hang out with you, I don't tell them I hate their guts and hanging out with them would be as pleasurable as a root canal without anaesthetics, I tell them "Thank you, but I'm terribly busy at the moment", there's no point in making enemies or hurting their feelings just because I really don't want to hang out with them.

Btw if you are selling a house (let's assume you have to move for work reasons) then who's interests are closest to your heart? Yours as the seller of the house or the prospective buyer? IF you are all that super honest and against every form of manipulation, you wouldn't try to present your house in the best light possible to get the best price possible, you would also point out that one of the neighbours might be a bit noisy, you would be honest about the pub down the road and that at closing time it gets loud... Even without them asking, because you'd want to be honest, right...

Most forms of advertising are manipulation, you create a desire for something people don't really need. You mention choice, even manipulation gives people a choice, they can always decide to not fall for it, when we went house shopping the amount of times the real estate agent told me that I have to decide ASAP because so many people are interested, you do your homework and you go "Great, in that case let them have it if they want it so badly, after all it's been on the market for over 6 months now...."

At work asking somebody politely "Would you mind getting me the files for ...." is manipulation, it's the same as "Oh and get me the file for ...." just phrasing it as a request is the politer way of doing it, you are making the person feel a bit better about their job and help them to enjoy their job, and that achieves better results, motivation and manipulation isn't all that different.

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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/28/2015 10:37:35 AM   
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So if you apply for a job or a raise you will not consider how much the company needs you, you aren't trying to focus on your strong points but you willingly volunteer all the times your results weren't spectacular or the times you were late, because that would be the honesty you claim is so important.



I'm never late. Ever. Unless it's something outside of my control, and that would have to be a car breaking down or some such.

I tell it how it is an interview, in fact I'm very keen to say: "if you're looking for x type of person, then don't employ me because it won't work".

I'm confident in my attributes and happy with them. I have strengths and weaknesses as the next man does, but I'm pretty philosophical about it: can't win 'em all and certain situations just don't suit me.

The point is: a job, money etc ain't worth sacrificing your principles and your integrity, because jobs are ten a penny and money comes and goes - but you can't escape the person you are.

Focus on my strong points? I show what I'm worth through what I do at work, and if they can't see my strong points then that's their loss not mine - and I'll move onto somewhere else.


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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/28/2015 11:07:30 AM   
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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/28/2015 12:15:36 PM   
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So if you apply for a job or a raise you will not consider how much the company needs you, you aren't trying to focus on your strong points but you willingly volunteer all the times your results weren't spectacular or the times you were late, because that would be the honesty you claim is so important.



I'm never late. Ever. Unless it's something outside of my control, and that would have to be a car breaking down or some such.

I tell it how it is an interview, in fact I'm very keen to say: "if you're looking for x type of person, then don't employ me because it won't work".

I'm confident in my attributes and happy with them. I have strengths and weaknesses as the next man does, but I'm pretty philosophical about it: can't win 'em all and certain situations just don't suit me.

The point is: a job, money etc ain't worth sacrificing your principles and your integrity, because jobs are ten a penny and money comes and goes - but you can't escape the person you are.

Focus on my strong points? I show what I'm worth through what I do at work, and if they can't see my strong points then that's their loss not mine - and I'll move onto somewhere else.




Well you are lucky then, because my job has a lot of hurdles that are outside of my control, like delayed flights and such.

Jobs are ten a penny? Well maybe with jobs that require somebody asking "For here or to go" and as for money coming and going, if you have a mortgage or pay rent, you got to keep it coming, just the real world. While I'm in the lucky situation where I'm selfemployed and turn down more people than I accept, some of my clients do rather stupid things they expect me to fix, sometimes they can't be fixed, I can't go "Mate, you've been a complete and utter asshole and what you did was so stupid, you should be in a huggy jacket and a padded room", I'm forced to say "It possibly wasn't your best choice on how to handle the situation, bad luck that somebody filmed it, those damned smart phones, it's now all over the internet and you best shut up, wait until it blows over, don't add fuel to the fire" - you take your pick what is the better solution...

However, you didn't reply if you would disclose everything about a house you want to sell... How you'd reply to somebody you don't want to spend time with...

We are all living in a society where certain behaviour is deemed acceptable and most of us play by the rules, I don't go out to bend people to my will, but if some gentle manipulation will avoid a disaster, yeah, guilty of that. Just take the past festive season, next door, parents away, kids (12 and 15) throwing a party, we noticed because the floors were vibrating and some kids fell over our fence while puking their guts out, straight way to handle it would be to call the cops and massive trouble for all the underage drinkers and the people owning the house and being away, I rather went over and grabbed the more sober of the offspring (there also was a strong herbal smell in the house and some white dust on the table), explained if we can hear it, so can others, it's a matter of time until somebody calls the cops, pointed to the "dust" and suggested it wouldn't bode well. Kid cried, turned out the party was gate crashed as they put it on FB, they had no idea how to handle it, went back home home, got hubby and 2 of the Dobies, pretended to be police with sniffer dogs, reinforcement on the way, would they please all empty their pockets and get their IDs ready, party cleared ASAP, yep manipulation but seriously, where would have been the point of the kids living there getting into serious trouble (they are in deep shit anyway when the parent get back as some of the furniture and artworks looked puked upon and had burn marks, not to mention the damage done to the wine cellar and drinks cabinet), they didn't need to be arrested, the parents don't need to go through the whole legal hassle...

If you want to accuse me of manipulation, I have a younger brother, when he was a teen he was a complete dope head, he does have an addictive personality, when he confessed he wants to try coke, I was worried, so I told him I get him some, I did, only I mixed it generously with baking powder, he got a bit of a hit but his nose bled for days and hurt for weeks, yeah, manipulation but he never turned into a coke head, in fact even now, almost 20 years later, he said he won't ever touch it, his nose is too sensitive. I'm damned pleased with myself, because no amount of telling him how he can fuck himself up with it would have had the same effect. If that makes me an evil manipulator, I wear the badge with pride

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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/28/2015 12:21:43 PM   
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I'm never late. Ever. Unless it's something outside of my control, and that would have to be a car breaking down or some such.


This statement right here is a blatant example of manipulation of the truth. You cannot say I am never late ever and then add unless, except, because etc. You are either never late or you are sometimes late if outside influences happen.

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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/28/2015 12:27:53 PM   
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Jobs are ten a penny? Well maybe with jobs that require somebody asking "For here or to go" and as for money coming and going, if you have a mortgage or pay rent, you got to keep it coming, just the real world. While I'm in the lucky situation where I'm selfemployed and turn down more people than I accept, some of my clients do rather stupid things they expect me to fix, sometimes they can't be fixed, I can't go "Mate, you've been a complete and utter asshole and what you did was so stupid, you should be in a huggy jacket and a padded room", I'm forced to say "It possibly wasn't your best choice on how to handle the situation, bad luck that somebody filmed it, those damned smart phones, it's now all over the internet and you best shut up, wait until it blows over, don't add fuel to the fire" - you take your pick what is the better solution...



Yes, jobs are ten a penny.

What I've always done is lived within my means, and so I can afford to lose a job.

Which in turn means I can afford to stand by my principles.

I suppose it depends on what matters to you.

Personally, I would much rather own a council house and be able to tell my employer that I'm not compromising my principles, than own a house of a value that means I can't afford to do without that job and so he or she has me over a barrel.

I'm fortunate. My parents were simple people, happy as pigs in shit with a walk along the coast. Didn't really expect much out of life and didn't ask for much apart from the simple things. Those values have been passed down to me. And, so a job with whatever money paying for whatever house is completely meaningless in the grand scheme of life. It's a challenge that keeps me interested, not the money nor the house.

Can't remember ever been tempted by money or any sort of financial reward to compromise my principles.

If it ever came to that I'd find a job where I could just keep my head down and no one would bother me.




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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/28/2015 12:30:30 PM   
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I'm never late. Ever. Unless it's something outside of my control, and that would have to be a car breaking down or some such.


This statement right here is a blatant example of manipulation of the truth. You cannot say I am never late ever and then add unless, except, because etc. You are either never late or you are sometimes late if outside influences happen.


The truth is that the only time I have ever been late is when my car has broken down. I suppose as well I have been sick now and again over the years which constitutes a lateness of sorts.

But, the context was that somehow I'd try and cover up a punctuality problem at an interview.

No, I wouldn't. I'd tell them I've never been late in the context of which you mean it.




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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/28/2015 12:32:43 PM   
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I'm never late. Ever. Unless it's something outside of my control, and that would have to be a car breaking down or some such.


This statement right here is a blatant example of manipulation of the truth. You cannot say I am never late ever and then add unless, except, because etc. You are either never late or you are sometimes late if outside influences happen.


The truth is that the only time I have ever been late is when my car has broken down. I suppose as well I have been sick now and again over the years which constitutes a lateness of sorts.

But, the context was that somehow I'd try and cover up a punctuality problem at an interview.

No, I wouldn't. I'd tell them I've never been late in the context of which you mean it.




OK. Still the statement is not true no matter what the situation you are applying it to. You can't never be late and then in the next sentence give reasons why you have been late. Just saying.

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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/28/2015 1:11:44 PM   
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I'm never late. Ever. Unless it's something outside of my control, and that would have to be a car breaking down or some such.


This statement right here is a blatant example of manipulation of the truth. You cannot say I am never late ever and then add unless, except, because etc. You are either never late or you are sometimes late if outside influences happen.


The truth is that the only time I have ever been late is when my car has broken down. I suppose as well I have been sick now and again over the years which constitutes a lateness of sorts.

But, the context was that somehow I'd try and cover up a punctuality problem at an interview.

No, I wouldn't. I'd tell them I've never been late in the context of which you mean it.




And this is a good example of someone trying to influence the context of a conversation to prove their point. Which is manipulation.

You may choose to have a very narrow definition of manipulation, which in your mind has to include a negative connotation. But as the above shows, just because you may not like to define something that you do as manipulation doesn't mean that it isn't.

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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/28/2015 1:19:07 PM   
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I'm never late. Ever. Unless it's something outside of my control, and that would have to be a car breaking down or some such.


This statement right here is a blatant example of manipulation of the truth. You cannot say I am never late ever and then add unless, except, because etc. You are either never late or you are sometimes late if outside influences happen.


The truth is that the only time I have ever been late is when my car has broken down. I suppose as well I have been sick now and again over the years which constitutes a lateness of sorts.

But, the context was that somehow I'd try and cover up a punctuality problem at an interview.

No, I wouldn't. I'd tell them I've never been late in the context of which you mean it.




And this is a good example of someone trying to influence the context of a conversation to prove their point. Which is manipulation.

You may choose to have a very narrow definition of manipulation, which in your mind has to include a negative connotation. But as the above shows, just because you may not like to define something that you do as manipulation doesn't mean that it isn't.


As I said in the same post: never late unless a result of circumstances outside of my control.

That's not manipulation. It would have been had I hidden some details from you, i.e. hidden the 'circumstances outside of my control'.

I think you're confusing an upfront explanation of circumstances which would cause me to be late, with manipulation.

If I said: "I never drink spirits, ever, unless there is no other alcohol around and it's New Year's Eve so I'll change the habit of a lifetime just this once" - would you say that is manipulation?

Only in your world would it be. In every other conceivable world it is a matter of fact statement with no design other than to tell it how it is.



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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/28/2015 1:47:09 PM   
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I'm never late. Ever. Unless it's something outside of my control, and that would have to be a car breaking down or some such.


This statement right here is a blatant example of manipulation of the truth. You cannot say I am never late ever and then add unless, except, because etc. You are either never late or you are sometimes late if outside influences happen.


The truth is that the only time I have ever been late is when my car has broken down. I suppose as well I have been sick now and again over the years which constitutes a lateness of sorts.

But, the context was that somehow I'd try and cover up a punctuality problem at an interview.

No, I wouldn't. I'd tell them I've never been late in the context of which you mean it.




And this is a good example of someone trying to influence the context of a conversation to prove their point. Which is manipulation.

You may choose to have a very narrow definition of manipulation, which in your mind has to include a negative connotation. But as the above shows, just because you may not like to define something that you do as manipulation doesn't mean that it isn't.


As I said in the same post: never late unless a result of circumstances outside of my control.

That's not manipulation. It would have been had I hidden some details from you, i.e. hidden the 'circumstances outside of my control'.

I think you're confusing an upfront explanation of circumstances which would cause me to be late, with manipulation.

If I said: "I never drink spirits, ever, unless there is no other alcohol around and it's New Year's Eve so I'll change the habit of a lifetime just this once" - would you say that is manipulation?

Only in your world would it be. In every other conceivable world it is a matter of fact statement with no design other than to tell it how it is.



Here is where I throw the 15 yard bull shit penalty flag. The FACT is that by your own admission you have been late. The fact that outside circumstances beyond your control have caused you to be late before does NOT nullify the actual fact, which is that you have been late before and saying you have never been late before is a manipulation of your truth.

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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/28/2015 2:04:05 PM   
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I'm never late. Ever. Unless it's something outside of my control, and that would have to be a car breaking down or some such.


This statement right here is a blatant example of manipulation of the truth. You cannot say I am never late ever and then add unless, except, because etc. You are either never late or you are sometimes late if outside influences happen.


The truth is that the only time I have ever been late is when my car has broken down. I suppose as well I have been sick now and again over the years which constitutes a lateness of sorts.

But, the context was that somehow I'd try and cover up a punctuality problem at an interview.

No, I wouldn't. I'd tell them I've never been late in the context of which you mean it.




And this is a good example of someone trying to influence the context of a conversation to prove their point. Which is manipulation.

You may choose to have a very narrow definition of manipulation, which in your mind has to include a negative connotation. But as the above shows, just because you may not like to define something that you do as manipulation doesn't mean that it isn't.


As I said in the same post: never late unless a result of circumstances outside of my control.

That's not manipulation. It would have been had I hidden some details from you, i.e. hidden the 'circumstances outside of my control'.

I think you're confusing an upfront explanation of circumstances which would cause me to be late, with manipulation.

If I said: "I never drink spirits, ever, unless there is no other alcohol around and it's New Year's Eve so I'll change the habit of a lifetime just this once" - would you say that is manipulation?

Only in your world would it be. In every other conceivable world it is a matter of fact statement with no design other than to tell it how it is.



Here is where I throw the 15 yard bull shit penalty flag. The FACT is that by your own admission you have been late. The fact that outside circumstances beyond your control have caused you to be late before does NOT nullify the actual fact, which is that you have been late before and saying you have never been late before is a manipulation of your truth.

Edited to fix a capitalization of the first word.


What exactly is a 15 yard bull shit penalty flag? Is it dangerous? Do you own a licence for it?


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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/28/2015 2:22:44 PM   
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What exactly is a 15 yard bull shit penalty flag? Is it dangerous? Do you own a licence for it?


It is an Americanism, or more accurately a New Yorker-ism. Reference American Football

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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/28/2015 2:25:31 PM   
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Jobs are ten a penny? Well maybe with jobs that require somebody asking "For here or to go" and as for money coming and going, if you have a mortgage or pay rent, you got to keep it coming, just the real world. While I'm in the lucky situation where I'm selfemployed and turn down more people than I accept, some of my clients do rather stupid things they expect me to fix, sometimes they can't be fixed, I can't go "Mate, you've been a complete and utter asshole and what you did was so stupid, you should be in a huggy jacket and a padded room", I'm forced to say "It possibly wasn't your best choice on how to handle the situation, bad luck that somebody filmed it, those damned smart phones, it's now all over the internet and you best shut up, wait until it blows over, don't add fuel to the fire" - you take your pick what is the better solution...



Yes, jobs are ten a penny.

What I've always done is lived within my means, and so I can afford to lose a job.

Which in turn means I can afford to stand by my principles.

I suppose it depends on what matters to you.

Personally, I would much rather own a council house and be able to tell my employer that I'm not compromising my principles, than own a house of a value that means I can't afford to do without that job and so he or she has me over a barrel.

I'm fortunate. My parents were simple people, happy as pigs in shit with a walk along the coast. Didn't really expect much out of life and didn't ask for much apart from the simple things. Those values have been passed down to me. And, so a job with whatever money paying for whatever house is completely meaningless in the grand scheme of life. It's a challenge that keeps me interested, not the money nor the house.

Can't remember ever been tempted by money or any sort of financial reward to compromise my principles.

If it ever came to that I'd find a job where I could just keep my head down and no one would bother me.






You are skipping or deliberately not answering a hell lot of issues.

All the lofty principles might be perfectly fine if you are happy to live isolated and without responsibilities, you don't have to compromise your principles to be successful, but you can't expect the whole world to bow to them. I took responsibility for a bunch of rescue pets, the dogs are large breeds, I couldn't have them in a 2 up 2 down, guess I better do my part then and pay the mortgage for a place where they can be happy.

If whatever house and whatever job is "meaningless in the grand scheme of things" then why bother to live at all? Your life won't make a difference "in the grand scheme of things" yet I don't see you giving up living?

If you live within your means how does that make you able to afford to lose a job unless you have considerable savings that enable you to keep on living within your means...

I told you about next door, I told you about my brother, both times manipulation, I am still waiting to be condemned for something that kept people out of trouble, or are your lofty theoretical principles actually worth more than keeping real people out of trouble?

As for being late, been late a few times, willingly stopped at the place of an accident to offer assistance, had somebody who needed to be taken to hospital, wasn't out of my control, I just decided that some things come first, something I would disclose when being asked about and refuse to work for anybody who sees it as a problem, personally I could accept a job "where I keep my head down and do as told" if it is just a means to survival and it ever comes to that, but I wouldn't consider it living, I would consider it existing, but in your grand scheme of things, there doesn't seem to be a difference between the two.


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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/28/2015 2:49:46 PM   
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You are skipping or deliberately not answering a hell lot of issues.



Actually it's both.

More to the point, I don't know what your issues are because I haven't read them.

I only need to read a sentence of one of your posts and I know that you will never get what I'm saying,

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

If whatever house and whatever job is "meaningless in the grand scheme of things" then why bother to live at all?



Take the above as a case in point.


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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/28/2015 2:58:18 PM   
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I personally don't have any issue with what you're saying. Saying 'all dishonesty is negative' is a reasonable enough statement from a philosophical standpoint. I actually used to think along those lines and perhaps still do, but as a moral code I found a couple of flaws... Perhaps not even with the principle itself, but with myself.
Absolute morals without absolute power is ultimately the path to martyrdom. I may have always realised this, but I felt that if I could consolidate enough power and control I could make it work... There were problems with this idea.



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LC,
If you want to accuse me of manipulation, I have a younger brother, when he was a teen he was a complete dope head, he does have an addictive personality, when he confessed he wants to try coke, I was worried, so I told him I get him some, I did, only I mixed it generously with baking powder, he got a bit of a hit but his nose bled for days and hurt for weeks, yeah, manipulation but he never turned into a coke head, in fact even now, almost 20 years later, he said he won't ever touch it, his nose is too sensitive. I'm damned pleased with myself, because no amount of telling him how he can fuck himself up with it would have had the same effect. If that makes me an evil manipulator, I wear the badge with pride

Impressive. >_<

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RE: How evil are you... the quiz - 12/28/2015 3:24:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

You are skipping or deliberately not answering a hell lot of issues.



Actually it's both.

More to the point, I don't know what your issues are because I haven't read them.

I only need to read a sentence of one of your posts and I know that you will never get what I'm saying,

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

If whatever house and whatever job is "meaningless in the grand scheme of things" then why bother to live at all?



Take the above as a case in point.




So basically you are full of shit, you don't have answers but you do like the sound of your own voice and the idea you have principles... You were touting all that bullshit of how meaningless things are in the grand scheme of things. Hope you enjoy living in that council house other people pay for that, they might not be able to afford your "morals" regarding which jobs they want to do or not, but at least they do jobs and pay tax, from which the council houses are paid for. Apparently your morals don't stretch far enough to decline their contributions, shouldn't somebody with your lofty ideals proudly decline their support? Or are your morals as bad as your reading ability?

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