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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: TieMeInKnottss

I don't think any of us INTEND to "force" our religion on our children anymore than we intend to force our other lifestyle choices on our kids... As parents, as adults...we believe that we made good choices and want to protect our kids from heartache, disappointment...even from the possible retribution of an angry God in afterlife.

Did I force Catholicism on my boys? I guess I did...that is what I am and what I understand and what I believe is correct. They will have no choice in the matter until they are older...(same way I picked out clothes, hairstyles, food, sports, where we live...that I approved of and thought were the best options for them at the time). Do parents make mistakes? Yep! Every mother of a shy kid who forced them to try out for a school play, every father who made his kid play little league or take piano...would agree...we did it because at the time we thought it would be good for them and we were devastated when later we discovered just how horrible it was for them (that being said...there are equal amounts of times you push your kid to try something, to step out of their comfort zone and you see them blossom)

My oldest is a teen now and, if he asked, I would probably let him explore other religions BUT...I don't think I would support him making a choice until he is an adult. All good parents know that there is a point that you have to let go.

If you don't teach your children what values would you teach them.
Anyone who doesn't think parents should pass their values down to their children must not want them to develope values untill they are adults.
So of course they won't have any.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: TieMeInKnottss

I don't think any of us INTEND to "force" our religion on our children anymore than we intend to force our other lifestyle choices on our kids... As parents, as adults...we believe that we made good choices and want to protect our kids from heartache, disappointment...even from the possible retribution of an angry God in afterlife.

Did I force Catholicism on my boys? I guess I did...that is what I am and what I understand and what I believe is correct. They will have no choice in the matter until they are older...(same way I picked out clothes, hairstyles, food, sports, where we live...that I approved of and thought were the best options for them at the time). Do parents make mistakes? Yep! Every mother of a shy kid who forced them to try out for a school play, every father who made his kid play little league or take piano...would agree...we did it because at the time we thought it would be good for them and we were devastated when later we discovered just how horrible it was for them (that being said...there are equal amounts of times you push your kid to try something, to step out of their comfort zone and you see them blossom)

My oldest is a teen now and, if he asked, I would probably let him explore other religions BUT...I don't think I would support him making a choice until he is an adult. All good parents know that there is a point that you have to let go.

If you don't teach your children what values would you teach them.
Anyone who doesn't think parents should pass their values down to their children must not want them to develope values untill they are adults.
So of course they won't have any.

Is this to imply that religion is required for morality ? I think I know you better than that, maybe you just put it wrong.

My morality does not come from any book, whether religious or from the government. when I deal with people I intend to treat them as a friend unless and until they do something against me. At that point all bets are off and right now I have a situation where someone violated me, fucking with my dealings with other people. The infraction against me does not warrant gunplay, but something is definitely going to happen. I treated this MF like gold and he had no problem trying to embarrass me FOR FUN, when I was at work at another place. His lesson will catch on, and others will not even think of doing it.

But the bottom line here is that religion does not equal morality, and neither does law, or what is legal. Has nothing to do with it. you deal with me straight an up fair and square I will reciprocate. I will even be generous when needed, and go out of my way to help you.

But when you cross me you will have a run of bad luck like you never fucking seen in your life. Understand I know electronics, mechanics, and a whole lot of related shit. And people. One time some bitch pissed me off, next door. I know the owner of the house and I am sure he wanted rid of the bitch, but found out for sure not long after.

But you know what I almost did ? See, you do not want to really cause damage like burning shit down and all that, and shooting and stabbing, well this cunt was bad but what she did simply does not warrant violence.

So, I got this buddy who has a police badge. I was going to have him and a really built buddy of his go in there and dump five gallons of gasoline on the livingroom floor and say "No smoking, and don't bother the precinct, the cops were already here", and show the badge.

Problem goddamn solved NOW, RIGHT NOW. If you were antagonizing your next door neighbor and that happened, what would you think ?

But what did happen was I was on my way home from work. the olman and me had a double house and split the bills. This was the big blackout, and it took me two hours to get home. Know why ? Because stoooopid muthafukers ran out of gas. Don't you understand that it is better to have it and not need it ?

Anyway, my neighbor,l not his cunt, was on the front porch talkiing to the olman. told me the bitch was out of there as soon as she found a place. Hw saved himself alot of fucking trouble, because shit was about to start happening.

this cunt actually spit, and threw pizza boxes off their porch to mine because I made a comment. he (owner) came over and said "She doesn't want me drinking" and I handed him a beer and said "You drank when you met here right ?". she comes out with "You motherfucker, I am trying to ... .... and you are talking... ..." I told her to go fuck herself. I was on MY porch. I paid for half this motherfucker and she paid for nothing, either here or there. He grabbed her and drug her in the house, most likely because he knew that I was about to go in the house and grab a weapon of mass destruction.

But the fact is, I do not get mad, I get even. In fact I get evener. you fuck me out of twenty bucks, OK, how much did those car tires cost ? I won't do shit to the rest of the car because that would be wrong.

If you fuck me or my family really bad, you have two car fires. they will p[ay off once, but the second time you are fucked. Ask ANY insurance agent, they will NEVER pay off twice on a burnout.

There are all kinds of ways to get even. Just throw a tube of superglue in their keyhole. Then they can't get on their own house. I just discovered another one, BEDBUGS. the hardest godddamn thing to get rid of, might as well throw out that $7,000 Italian leather sofa. And you can give them to people in the driveway, don't even have to knock at the door. Termites are a similar revenge.

But that really applies onbly if they own their house, not rent. With renters the target is their cars.

I just want people to know,YOU ARE VULNERABLE. Freedom is as Janis described, another word for nothing left to lose. If you have ANYTHING, it is vulnerable. Even in Fort Knox, 'somebody' stole Germany's gold out of there.

Hey, where are the best crooks ? they are the ones who stole it and are now going in to Mali to mine more to pay it back. You see Mali, which has been doing things the same way for a century, has all the sudden come under fire for "human rights violations" at just the right tie when the US has to come up with some REAL gold, not that paper gold shit the sheeple buy. don't buy that shit, insist on the actual metal in your hot little hand, know why ? Because that paper gold artificially depresses the market value of real gold. That, and quantitative easing is what is propping up the petrobuck. Don't be a party to it.

Enough.

T^T

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Kafumba Kromah, of Minneapolis, said his 8-year-old daughter asked him: "Why we are Muslims? Why can't we be what everybody else is?"

Very good question to ask your papa Little girl, ask your papa, why can't you choose the religion you wish you be in, why didn't he give you a choice and insist you are Muslim from birth? You have the choice not to be one if you wanted to! So you don't have to be one! Why is your father so afraid to tell you, you have the choice to choose if you want to?

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As Khan, the father in Maryland, tucked his son in last week, he left him with the words he recited when he became a U.S. citizen two decades ago: "One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

"I don't know why, I don't know how people forget that," Khan said later, fighting back tears. "We have to; otherwise we're dividing ourselves."

I would say to this dude, there will be liberty and justice to all. Bullying is not exclusive to Muslim kids. Bullying happens, if you are overweight, if you are too skinny, if you are a runt, if you are seen as physically repulsive, if you have a disability, if you seem different in anyway from everybody else, goth kids get bullied too, emo kids get bullied, many mix racial kids have been bullied, bullying happens equally all across the board to all sort of demographics. It's not exclusive to Muslims.

But when the bully cross the line and cause physical injury to you, there will be liberty and justice where the bully will be prosecuted.

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"We're not prepared for this," said Madi, whose father fled Iraq in the 1970s. "We're not prepared to sit and educate our children why they're not any different from anybody else. I don't think any parent is prepared for that. I don't care what religion you believe or don't believe."

But they are different from everybody else. They don't have the choice to choose to be Muslim or not. Most people in this world can't choose race, but can choose Religion. Muslims seem to be the only religion in the world, which they can't even choose or even are taught they have the choice to be anything else but Muslims. Could that be the reason why you say parents are not prepared to educate children why they are not different? Perhaps because you are different! You have victimised your own kid, you have ran away from Muslim countries to live in a country where you can have more freedom, but you deny that freedom to your own child. Otherwise, there should be absolutely ZERO problems educating kids exactly how they are not different, if they are genuinely not different and live with the same freedom as everybody else.

As a buddhist kid in a Methodist school with majority christians, I was ostracized alot too, also why I mentioned my childhood best girlfriend was a muslim, because we were both not Christians, and also told by teachers our whole family is going to hell for not believing in Jesus. But my parents always made it clear, I can be whatever religion I want, it doesn't matter, they were bad in their own way, but being buddhist (mom)and an atheist (dad), they never controlled religion. So I switch to Christianity to fit in, even follow some of my school mates to church, and everything went okay, but I was always clear I was only into it to fit in and get through school without constant grief. But it helped me fit in. My Muslim friend was not allowed to claim she is anything else but Muslim though. I find it strange her fundie muslim parents puts her in a christian school, that always puzzled me, there are many muslim schools around. My mom put me in this school because she knows I will get beaten up in there, and that's why she did. It was intentional, she told me so.

I saw this Oprah episode where you have this blue eye, blonde girl, 8 yr old, who looked perfectly white, being ostracised in school, because her parents INSIST she tells everyone she is half black. I also need to mention, both her parents are white, as she is adopted, so the kids in school will never know, if she doesn't say anything. The blacks shun her, the whites shun her, she fit in no where and was ostracised. How silly. I don't agree with this, if she doesn't say anything and just claim she's white, nobody will notice she's half black. When you become an adult, there are also politics in working world and prejudices you gotta maneuver around it. It's life. And it's how you deal with it and roll with it, that will make impossible circumstances become possible.

And no matter what, with a kid, I think it is 100% wrong to stick a religion upon them when they are young. They should be told, they can choose. If they can choose, they can make whatever decision they want. They can choose to stay Muslim to battle the prejudice, and stay Muslim and proud, that is good too, might built strong character, might find true friends who accept them for what they are, those that stand by their side. Or they can choose to just go with everybody else. Just to fit in, like I did. I choose my battles, and over all, religions mean nothing to me, so it doesn't bother me. And as a kid, singing hymms and listening to bible stories, were actually like fun activities to participate in for me so it wasn't so bad to just join them and do all that stuffs.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/schools-streets-tv-children-feel-muslim-backlash-160724097.html

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Fucking laughable from you, given most kids have to follow the parents religion at least until adulthood.