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RE: What is everyone paying for gas? - 12/17/2015 6:50:39 PM   
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Vehicle Licensing Statistics 2013 [PDF]: At the end of 2013 there were 35.0 million vehicles licensed for use on the roads in Great Britain, of which 29.1 million were cars.

Our population is around 65 million.
And like Singapore, it's an island nation.
Almost 45% of us own cars (53.8% if you count all vehicles) compared to only 20% in Singapore.
Comparison to a US state doesn't apply, so our demographics are similar - just a bit bigger.
Average monthly earnings in Singapore is SG$3770 ($2660).
UK average monthly earnings are £2208 ($3293).
So... we earn approx 24% more than those in Singapore yet we own more than twice the number of cars.
The average car loan is only over 3-5 years in the UK, not 10 years as in Singapore.

According to this site (Global Petrol Prices), as of 15th December 2015, you pay 20cents a litre less than we do in the UK.

Is that a fair comparison for you Greta??


Actually, the part about comparing earnings with exchange rate doesn't make sense to me.

Because I paid for an authentic Singapore Laksa in London for 27pounds, and I paid for Laksa in Singapore SGD3. But I can get authentic fish and chips for SGD 10, when I say authentic means white British owners behind the counter doing the actual cooking. I just assume it's authentic because they even claim their potatoes are specially the King Edward kind imported from England. Or less authentic fish and chips cook by Singaporeans for SGD5 and the potatoes are usually russet potatoes from USA, so we don't consider that authentic british chips. Not sure what the market rate for fish and chips is over there now. I heard it was last about 7 pounds?

Can't say UK earnings is more, UNLESS they earn in pounds and pay in SG. Well some UK people are enjoying that over here.

How many times is UK bigger than Singapore by the way? Singapore is just a dot on the Map. UK seems to be so much larger and visible on the map. Need to compare space versus number of cars too.

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RE: What is everyone paying for gas? - 12/17/2015 7:08:32 PM   
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Have you ever seen rush hour traffic in LA? When we used to go visit Mnb (do you remember them?) I would make MP drive. Washington, DC is terrible. New York city is awful. Atlanta, GA can be a nightmare. Some of our big cities are horrid.

I took a cab from anaheim to hollywood once during peak hour. I was trying to get to Troubadour to watch my favourite band play that night. I think it was an 1.5 hours trip to get there stuck in traffic jam. Fortunately I pre-agreed on a price with the taxi driver, and we didn't go by meter. I still was charged 65USD though. This is exactly one of the things Singapore try to acheive too. A car jam-free country. They are still working on this, but what I notice is, all their implements to make car more unaffordable to the masses, makes the roads less congested. But also got to understand that public transport is dirt cheap and it's impossible that you can't get to anywhere in Singapore by bus or train. It's super duper well connected. Singapore is a place where, if there are no traffic jams, it takes only 20minutes to get from one end to another end of Singapore by car. I think one can cover the circumference of singapore in 2 hours. It's only 160km.

Currently for me, it takes only 10 mins to commute to work by train. But if I drove, it may take me 20 minutes, due to loads of traffic lights and 40 minutes if it's peak hour or worst, since I work right in CBD.


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RE: What is everyone paying for gas? - 12/18/2015 12:47:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		lol, I asked my bestfriend who grew up in LA and his whole family is still there, so he visits at least twice a year and was just there recently like one week ago, and since his in Singapore so often, his last time here was just this November, so he at least has real time info to compare, why LA can handle more cars than people, while Singapore cannot?

He said:
a) better roads
b) better drivers
c) better drivers
d) better weather


But I really gotta question him how LA could possibly have better roads than us! We manicure our roads like crazy, and keep relaying them over and over again so they stay nice and shiny black fresh tarmac. We are obsess about keeping our country looking pretty. Buildings always get fresh paint. Every tree and plant in the entire country gets personal gardener attention. Better drivers is probably true. We do have the worst drivers in the world. I'm probably one myself. I took 50 practical driving lessons, before I could pass my driving test.

But I just thought of another reason. 5 million people in a space half the size of LA. Versus 3.8million people in a space twice the size of Singapore. So we need to have enough housing to house 5 million people, that takes up alot of space for roads. LA has more space to build more roads and wider roads to accommodate more cars.

For this to be fair to see if LA can really handle it. They need to have 10million people, imagine all the extra housing and land they need for that and 13,200 million cars to be comparable to Singapore if they can genuinely handle it, I'd be very impressed and our country is open to learning from any cities with small space how to increase car population without congestion.
Because currently in LA, car outnumber people by 1.32 right? So base on that rate, and if they are twice the size of Singapore, they need to have twice the population as well.

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RE: What is everyone paying for gas? - 12/18/2015 12:51:43 AM   
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Gas is cheap for me. Two cans of Van De Kamp's beans is all I need so ... $3.00?



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RE: What is everyone paying for gas? - 12/18/2015 3:41:28 AM   
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Thompson,

There are only 3.8 mil people living in LA, and 5 Million cars according to you. There are 5 million people in SG and 1 million cars according to you.

Not according to me...according to the sites I posted there are 6 million not 5 million cars registered to residents of los angeles. Please try to read what I write and not what meanders through that space between your ears.

So my suspicion about many LA people owning multiple cars is correct. 3.8 mil people cannot possibly be congesting the road with all their 5mil cars everyday.


That would be your ignorant, unsubstantiated opinion.

The stats gotta be according to cars purchased in LA,

Only a dumbass would believe that. The cars referenced are registered to the residents of los ageles It has nothing to do where they are purchased



but not actual data of what actually piles the road daily and IF the car was actually based in LA.

When a Singapore car is purchased in Singapore, they are limited to Singapore and they are 100% based in Singapore.

In los angeles millions of cars of commuters from as far as 100 miles come to the city daily.

BTW, I've been on a road trip from Arizona, Las Vegas, Los Angelos, San Fransisco, San Diego before. You got a nice highway there that was so easy to navigate and do the whole drive through. So don't lie to me that Los Angelos is not connected to other states or cities.

You are the one lying. You said los angeles boarders other states. I pointed out that you were full of shit as usual.





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RE: What is everyone paying for gas? - 12/18/2015 3:47:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		We do have the worst drivers in the world. I'm probably one myself. I took 50 practical driving lessons, before I could pass my driving test.

Why are we not surpirsed that you failed your driving test so often

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RE: What is everyone paying for gas? - 12/18/2015 3:52:04 AM   
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I took a cab from anaheim to hollywood once during peak hour. I was trying to get to Troubadour to watch my favourite band play that night. I think it was an 1.5 hours trip to get there stuck in traffic jam.

Both of these are your statements.. So which is it... Are the roads easy peasy or congested?

BTW, I've been on a road trip from Arizona, Las Vegas, Los Angelos, San Fransisco, San Diego before. You got a nice highway there that was so easy to navigate and do the whole drive through.

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RE: What is everyone paying for gas? - 12/18/2015 4:05:43 AM   
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There are only 3.8 mil people living in LA, and 5 Million cars according to you. There are 5 million people in SG and 1 million cars according to you.

So my suspicion about many LA people owning multiple cars is correct. 3.8 mil people cannot possibly be congesting the road with all their 5mil cars everyday.


Obviously math is not your strong suit.


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RE: What is everyone paying for gas? - 12/18/2015 4:42:32 AM   
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...We manicure our roads like crazy, and keep relaying them over and over again so they stay nice and shiny black fresh tarmac.

I took a look via Google maps and picked a handful of points at random.
I didn't see them to be any better than some points in London or our local roads.

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We are obsess about keeping our country looking pretty. Buildings always get fresh paint. Every tree and plant in the entire country gets personal gardener attention.

That is probably because Singapore is such a tiny postage-stamp piece of land it's easy to keep manicured.
It's like comparing the care of a window box to that of a huge country estate.

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Better drivers is probably true. We do have the worst drivers in the world. I'm probably one myself. I took 50 practical driving lessons, before I could pass my driving test.

I took a look at your driving test and it's not much different from that of the UK except easier.
If you have a look at PassPTest.com, it gives lots of ways to pass your test easier.
Having read through it, it looks like the major problem is with poor driving instructors not teaching pupils properly.

And 50 lessons to pass an easy test?? Jeeez!! That's really bad.
A lot of the sites I looked at were offering 100 and 120 minute lessons.
In the UK, 40-minute lessons are the norm.
I thought I was bad at needing 10 lessons to pass my test first time.

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...I'd be very impressed and our country is open to learning from any cities with small space how to increase car population without congestion.

Teach people how to drive instead of ripping off people with sub-standard education.

Your country is like an ostrich; got its head in the sand and will do what it wants, when it wants.
It most certainly is not 'open to learning' at all from anyone, anywhere, on anything.

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RE: What is everyone paying for gas? - 12/18/2015 5:42:43 AM   
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Thompson,

There are only 3.8 mil people living in LA, and 5 Million cars according to you. There are 5 million people in SG and 1 million cars according to you.

So my suspicion about many LA people owning multiple cars is correct. 3.8 mil people cannot possibly be congesting the road with all their 5mil cars everyday.

The stats gotta be according to cars purchased in LA, but not actual data of what actually piles the road daily and IF the car was actually based in LA.

When a Singapore car is purchased in Singapore, they are limited to Singapore and they are 100% based in Singapore.

BTW, I've been on a road trip from Arizona, Las Vegas, Los Angelos, San Fransisco, San Diego before. You got a nice highway there that was so easy to navigate and do the whole drive through. So don't lie to me that Los Angelos is not connected to other states or cities. On top of that, our flights out of the country for that trip was back in LA, so it was all very well connected by road for us to visit all those places and come back to LA to fly off.




A lot of people commute in LA, LA is several different cities that just grew together, there's the LA metropolitan area and there is greater Los Angeles, you got about 18 million people there, a lot of them go to work in their cars. People tend to live in the suburbs, driving an hour or two to work is considered normal, you go from Chatsworth to Beverly Hills during rush hour, it will take you at least 1 hour, maybe 2, it's about 30 minutes if you time it right.

As for people having more than one car, how's that going to add to congestion? The driver cloning himself so he can have 2 or 3 cars on the road at the same time?

Despite all rumours, LA has public transport, it's actually quite good, the whole problem is that it is very spread out so if you aren't on a direct connection to where you are going, it can take you ages and changing several times, for example your bus stops somewhere, then you have to walk several blocks to get on another line, then repeat, involves a lot of waiting and for most Angelenos, time is money.

When I get time, I really enjoy going DT and taking busses, you see parts of the city you usually wouldn't see, you see an area you'd like to explore, you get off the bus and just stroll around without worrying about parking (a bit of a problem like in all major cities), however if I have to go to a meeting, I wouldn't risk public transportation. In case you have a car problem, there's Ueber and Lyft, very inexpensive and reliable, like a cab service only you order online and pay online.

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RE: What is everyone paying for gas? - 12/18/2015 5:57:06 AM   
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Have you ever seen rush hour traffic in LA? When we used to go visit Mnb (do you remember them?) I would make MP drive. Washington, DC is terrible. New York city is awful. Atlanta, GA can be a nightmare. Some of our big cities are horrid.

I took a cab from anaheim to hollywood once during peak hour. I was trying to get to Troubadour to watch my favourite band play that night. I think it was an 1.5 hours trip to get there stuck in traffic jam. Fortunately I pre-agreed on a price with the taxi driver, and we didn't go by meter. I still was charged 65USD though. This is exactly one of the things Singapore try to acheive too. A car jam-free country. They are still working on this, but what I notice is, all their implements to make car more unaffordable to the masses, makes the roads less congested. But also got to understand that public transport is dirt cheap and it's impossible that you can't get to anywhere in Singapore by bus or train. It's super duper well connected. Singapore is a place where, if there are no traffic jams, it takes only 20minutes to get from one end to another end of Singapore by car. I think one can cover the circumference of singapore in 2 hours. It's only 160km.

Currently for me, it takes only 10 mins to commute to work by train. But if I drove, it may take me 20 minutes, due to loads of traffic lights and 40 minutes if it's peak hour or worst, since I work right in CBD.



You're complaining about $65 from Anaheim to Hollywood? You should have kissed the cab driver.

Your whole country has less people than just one area of LA, of course it's a lot easier to have public transportation and no congestion. That's like comparing a little village to a major city, there are quite a few small towns in the US where they have no traffic jams.

So basically what you are saying is that you keep your roads clear by keeping the poor from owning cars, fantastic that you have a working public transport system, however pretty easy to do in a very small place with relatively few people, unfortunately LA isn't the size of a tea towel.

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RE: What is everyone paying for gas? - 12/18/2015 6:28:58 AM   
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Dont forget that a US gallon is smaller than the imperial(UK) Gallon
The US gallon is 3.78 liters. The Imperial gallon or UK gallon is 4.54 litres.

Edited to add, the 401 highway that goes across the top of toronto (pop nearly 3 million) is the busiest highway in north america.
The annual average daily traffic (AADT) count between Weston Road and Highway 400 in Toronto was estimated at 431,900. On some days, the number exceeds 500,000 vehicles.
just a piece of useless info:)

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