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RE: Do dominants have to explain to subs how dominant t... - 12/22/2015 8:09:10 PM   
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That's what I am talking about, I am not entering a BDSM dynamic with them because that would really throw off the protection dynamic, but the first time I got really drawn into it was a gal I met at a munch, we got on as in just friends, she was new and asked a lot of things, most of the time we just hung out in my spare time, I helped her get fetish gear she wanted (I have a nose for shopping bargains) and one day she rang me up super excited how she met this cool D guy online, and how exciting, she'd park her car and then walk into the woods, sit on a bench and put a blindfold on and he would take it from there. She thought it was the most romantic thing ever and the subbie wet dream, I freaked out and told her she has no idea that he is the good looking guy in the picture, what will happen to her, she snapped "Well you aren't my protector" and I snapped back "Yes I am, BEHAVE" and she just got subbie, I wasn't interested in her in a BDSM way, she was far too needy for me and liked micormanagement (something I HATE), so we came to the arrangement that any dom has to contact me before they meet and she has to show me the chat transcripts.
Seriously, a lot of stuff was a horror show, I mean guys wanting to insert knives and telling her it would be fine, she thought if they tell her they did it a lot of times before nothing could go wrong, stuff where anybody with a minimum of experience would know it's lasting damage (500 lashes with a single tail - she didn't even know if the guy can throw one and hit a target, I gave her a semi hard one with mine and she jumped and squealed)

I'd be super happy to not have anybody under protection (currently I don't and thank **** for that) but sometimes it's just what you have to do or else you feel like shit if something bad happens

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RE: Do dominants have to explain to subs how dominant t... - 12/22/2015 8:39:44 PM   
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Edit because I haven't been here in years and I forgot how to include quotes.



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RE: Do dominants have to explain to subs how dominant t... - 12/22/2015 8:41:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact


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ORIGINAL: JanahX

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I think I'm the one who would determine if the person who is stating (he) is dominant to me - through his profile claim, is indeed so.
Hell, Ive had conversations with guys from the other side who Im pretty sure had an I.Q. in the Forrest Gump range that think they know what is what and think that I'm beneath them because they "think" they are superior in all, because I'm listed as a sub.
These type of people are SADLY mistaken.
Ive also had many many (guys) that tell me they've been in the lifestyle for years and years and yet dont know the difference between a Master, Dominant and Top. The way I know if someone is truly dominant to me is that I will admire and respect them not only INSIDE the bedroom but OUTSIDE as well. These type of people can curl me around their little finger without so much as trying. They dont have to tell me they are dominant - Ive made them so by responding to them as such. Without a submissive - they are nothing but legends in their own minds.

Please note - this is just my view on a personal/private relationship level. I do not include people that are publicly involved in the community, poly, scene level, or dungeons in this view. As I am fully aware that this must be conducted on a completely different level.

Totally get it.

The profile thing, I'll give people some room about. It wasn't long back that the black and white site added even more choices in roles so people could more adequately find the right fit. Here? You can't really do that, so people have to pick from the menu and then explain themselves. I said the same thing on another thread and the same is true on my side of the slash. How many folks do you see identify themselves as a top or bedroom Dominant on their profile? Many don't, even though in some cases, it might be much more accurate.

For email, especially what I'm hearing, probably not? (This happens on the other side in the cases of some s-types when writing female D-types.) I think you are looking for the vibe, rather than proclamations. The man will have to have a certain effect on you, most likely in person, with the way you interact. Anybody can tell you they are the Domliest Dom or the most subbiest of subs. It's like the old saying about being a lady. If you are having to tell people you are one, you're probably not.

Funny trivia about this. I do see people who have submissive personalities AND folks who choose to be submissive in a specific relationship to a person. (Neither is better than the other. Just different descriptors.) Best detection system for submissive personalities? My little grey cat. She is not fond of D-types, (except HER family) vanillas, or even submissives due to relationships. Submissive personality types? She's loving on them in no time. One in less than fifteen minutes. I turned around, she's letting this person CARRY her from the staircase.

Maybe I should start taking the cat to munches.



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RE: Do dominants have to explain to subs how dominant t... - 12/23/2015 9:10:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ReMakeYou

Do you publicly state that the person is under your protection and/or expect them to publicly state as much? Possibly even expecting any new partners to have to explicitly be vetted by you first? Because that is pretty feudal. And bottlenecking it by only having one person as the protector leaves a lot of room for things to get screwed up.

Being a friend and a sounding board is totally cool and perfectly normal. But those aren't official titles that preclude someone else from doing the same sorts of things.


This is my understanding of literally being "under protection". That anyone who wishes to interact with the protectee in a BDSM sense needs to go through the protector first.

Having someone experienced to be a friend, mentor or sounding board seems to me to be a different animal. Useful, but different.

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RE: Do dominants have to explain to subs how dominant t... - 12/23/2015 4:00:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChrchofDrk

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Ummm. Sounds like ChrchofDrk is focusing on online interactions, while you (and I, in my mind) are thinking of real-time, real-place interactions. In the community.


In the community I've never heard of such things. But I hate to let ya'all in on this secret but we're all online right now. So yes, it would have to do with such things as doms insisting such things be put on subs profiles. Gosh, who knew?????


In my community, there are quite a few "under protection" and "mentoring" type scenarios that get put in online profiles, but are for offline information and protection.

How is it this is not comprehensible to you?

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ORIGINAL: ChrchofDrk

Oh I understand your point. But a simple reality. If someone's looking to do another harm, all their i's will be dotted and all their t's crossed. If they're smart, and most are, on the surface it will all look so neat. So being under protection likely won't help much and that's why I think it silly. Folks that look to do others harm don't telegraph their true intentions


Interestingly enough, these people are either new and not vetted (by me, for example, when I am mentoring/protecting) or are part of the community with a bad rep (which I just dealt with last week, and would not even accept his friend request, which can, for some be taken as tacit approval).

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ORIGINAL: ReMakeYou
-Even if you use "under my protection" to mean "use me as a sounding board", publicly stating that implies that it's a somewhat more formal position. Just one step short of a dom, and oftentimes a stepping stone to that position. Even if it's not a backdoor gambit, it still has a massive quasifeudal vibe. Which feeds back to the "doms must make it clear that they're dom caste, subs must clearly mark themselves as sub caste" that leads to the sort of behavior that started this thread.


I disagree. I've protected new doms, and I know subs that protect other subs. It's a thing we do around here.

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ORIGINAL: ReMakeYou
Being a friend and a sounding board is totally cool and perfectly normal. But those aren't official titles that preclude someone else from doing the same sorts of things.


They also aren't notices that someone may not be the easy prey a predator was hoping for, either.

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

That's what I am talking about, I am not entering a BDSM dynamic with them because that would really throw off the protection dynamic,


Yeah. Ewww.

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RE: Do dominants have to explain to subs how dominant t... - 12/23/2015 7:05:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Blonderfluff
LP... I think it was me that carried her down the stairs at your house ??? 🤗

Yep. Absolutely was. Could have knocked me over with a feather.



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RE: Do dominants have to explain to subs how dominant t... - 12/27/2015 6:37:42 AM   
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RE: Do dominants have to explain to subs how dominant t... - 12/27/2015 11:16:53 AM   
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If people are going to throw out all the common sense they're painfully learned in life because bdsm is different, then I give up. You can't fix stupid. And I'm betting they're just as stupid in real life.
Pointing out things they may not have considered is understandable. You're new, you can't think of everything.

As far as confident or arrogant or quiet goes, there are people who like arrogant and those who don't. Those who like quiet types and those who don't. None of this is right or wrong. It's just what you enjoy.

I had a dog who distrusted strange men, would stand back and eye them the whole time. Till The Man walked in and suddenly she was at his feet wanting to be petted. I trusted her assessment because she had proven herself to put herself in danger to protect her family. If she didn't think there was anything to worry about, then neither did I. Since we've been together 12 years, I guess she was right.

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RE: Do dominants have to explain to subs how dominant t... - 1/9/2016 1:50:50 PM   
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I always thought showing was more proof than telling but that's just me.

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RE: Do dominants have to explain to subs how dominant t... - 1/9/2016 2:13:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JanahX

I have been running across a lot of Doms messaging me lately- who feel the need to describe and explain how dominant they are. Is one's self in a position to be telling strangers that they are dominant to them? I am fully aware of what position they are - as it states it in their profile and its either a Master or a Dominant. in other words it comes up in BLUE type. - If anything else needs to be detailed such as a daddy dom or a sadist - I understand that need for elaboration.

(I completely separate this from dungeon doms and doms that are scene locals - that do announce it as they may want to list experience)
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Some examples would be - (taken straight from some profiles)

*I am an intelligent, well read, traveled & established, natural Dominant.

*Some points:
Lawyer.
Naturally dominant.

*I am a 44 year old extremely dominate owner/master

*I am an educated, intelligent dominant man

*I am mature, stable, honest and trustworthy Dominant male.

*I have been Dominant since birth

How do they know they are dominant to me? Why would they announce it?
In my experience - I have found the very OPPOSITE to be true. The only ones Ive ever curled around even remotely are the ones who never even mentioned the word - NOT ONCE.

What is your take on this?


"Natural Dominant" means they are trying to convey that they are dominant in vanilla-land too. I find this to be helpful to state to prospective subs since some people are VERY subordinate in their vanilla lives and then balance that out with BDSM dominance. Others only play dominant (some ProDommes I know come to mind). Thus, they are differentiating themselves from these other types. To some subs that information really does matter.

Looking at your profile examples I am not seeing where they are claiming to be dominant over you specifically; they are merely stating who they are.


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RE: Do dominants have to explain to subs how dominant t... - 1/9/2016 2:36:47 PM   
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somebody mentioned sub frenzy, I have run into new submissives with sub frenzy, they have gotten mixed up with the wrong person that didn't have their interest at heart and I had to take them to the hospital in order for them to be able to fix some physical damage. It wasn't permanent and it certainly was embarrassing for the submissive but this is one of the reasons someone saying "yeah I'm dominant." It doesn't mean they are or they know what they are doing.

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RE: Do dominants have to explain to subs how dominant t... - 1/9/2016 3:01:35 PM   
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Reminds me of a Dom and a masochist who had played a bit in the past. They were friends and when either was close they would get together. The maso was a cocky little brat. Always saying how much pain she could take. So they went to the hotel room for a bit of play. The Dom took her at her word. But he lacked the experience of doing warm-up before real impact play. He just started in on her full bore with a bamboo cane. She quickly screamed for him to stop but it was a bit too late. She ended up in the emergency room with very deep bruising. Hospitalized for a couple days and a couple weeks of not being able to sit too well. All because the Dom wasn't as experienced as he (or she) thought he was

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RE: Do dominants have to explain to subs how dominant t... - 1/9/2016 3:12:58 PM   
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Reminds me of a Dom and a masochist who had played a bit in the past. They were friends and when either was close they would get together. The maso was a cocky little brat. Always saying how much pain she could take. So they went to the hotel room for a bit of play. The Dom took her at her word. But he lacked the experience of doing warm-up before real impact play. He just started in on her full bore with a bamboo cane. She quickly screamed for him to stop but it was a bit too late. She ended up in the emergency room with very deep bruising. Hospitalized for a couple days and a couple weeks of not being able to sit too well. All because the Dom wasn't as experienced as he (or she) thought he was


This is exactly the reason why I prefer to get to know people first before play, I only made one exception because he was recommended by someone that knew him.

I knew of a submissive I talked to online, from Florida, she was new, she found someone on line that said he knew what he was doing, he went to her place, tied her up, beat the crap out of her (not BDSM either) and took her money in her purse and left. I don't know know how but she used her cel to call me, thankfully I knew of another Dominant in her area so I arranged for him to take her to a local hospital, he paid for it and than he decided to start a safe house for these kinds of situations.

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