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ORIGINAL: Staleek

You are substituting one form of discrimination for another. You are implying that one group of humans are more worthy of life than another, which, if true, would put you into pretty much the same camp as ISIS.

Here's a counter proposal; why don't free and prosperous nations take in any refugees from anywhere, as mandated by international law as well as by anyone with any sort of humanity.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Staleek

You are substituting one form of discrimination for another. You are implying that one group of humans are more worthy of life than another, which, if true, would put you into pretty much the same camp as ISIS.

Here's a counter proposal; why don't free and prosperous nations take in any refugees from anywhere, as mandated by international law as well as by anyone with any sort of humanity.

No, she is saying that one group of people are at greater risk than others.

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Staleek

You are substituting one form of discrimination for another. You are implying that one group of humans are more worthy of life than another, which, if true, would put you into pretty much the same camp as ISIS.

Here's a counter proposal; why don't free and prosperous nations take in any refugees from anywhere, as mandated by international law as well as by anyone with any sort of humanity.

No, she is saying that one group of people are at greater risk than others.

What is the metrics used to determine whom is at greater risk?

We have people fleeing drug lords in Central America and people fleeing a warzone in Syria. Which of those two is at "...greater risk"?

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

I would like to think that we haven't lost our humanity and compassion, I recently saw a comment somewhere that the Syrian refugees only take women and children along for "sympathy reasons", like parents rather risk that they and their kids drown instead of leaving them in an environment where it means rape, torture and death?

Remember that famous ship full of Jews that no country allowed in, most of them perished in the Holocaust...

We're lucky to be born in countries that have some stability, we didn't do anything for it, it just happened, it could easily be different and we'd be in that situation, then we'd be damned glad if somebody would help us.

Btw Steve Job's dad was a Syrian refugee...

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Clearly not all Muslims are behaving the same way and depending on what type of orthadox or none orthodox Muslim you are, you are either with ISIS or against ISIS
Shafi
Shia
Bahá'ís
Sufis
Mevlevi
Naqshbandi
Bektashi
Chisti and others are not the sort of Muslims (though IS wouldn't call them that) ISIS want in their back yard; so should we let these people in along with the the Yazidi?

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Actually I don't know if you are familiar with Jose Vigoa, robbed a bunch of casinos in Vegas, he was one of the boat people.

What happened then was that Castro just emptied his prisons, I think the situation in Syria is remarkably different.

I think we discussed this before, before I got the whole VISA sorted and even after that, I really had a ton of trouble whenever I entered, I tend to work a lot in the US, but I always combine it with taking care of an American citizen who had a heart transplant, I had the full documentation of properties in Europe, the letter from the Sinai Cedars (the subject of my PhD made me ideal as a care giver as I spent 2 years translating cardiologic research regarding side effects of anti-rejection drugs and steroids) owning a company, hubby, pets, family, the guy was my former boss and I had green card previously, so I was vetted several times, I was still treated like a criminal, accused of "sneaking in" (yeah with a VISA and standing in line to show my passport, that's sooooo sneaky), some friends contacted their Senators, including the guy's brother who went from military service to the Pentagon (I didn't ask details and I doubt I would have got them...) and they are so polite now, in fact I regularly get asked if I don't want to apply for citizenship.

Thinking about it from an economical point of view, a lot of American industries spend millions to attract visitors from abroad, the process at most US airports is "unpleasant", I understand that you don't want illegals, but people bringing money into your country, just treating them with some decency and respect, you can ask questions without yelling at them...

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

But that's exactly what most countries are doing. They pick and choose which refugees they will allow in and which refugees they put in camps.

Every country has picked and chose their refugees, so why don't they choose more wisely.

Syrians get to enter by the millions to Germany for free, while Yazadis now pay illegal smugglers to illegally smuggle them in from Iraq to Germany.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

But that's exactly what most countries are doing. They pick and choose which refugees they will allow in and which refugees they put in camps.

Every country has picked and chose their refugees, so why don't they choose more wisely.

Syrians get to enter by the millions to Germany for free, while Yazadis now pay illegal smugglers to illegally smuggle them in from Iraq to Germany.

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

If the securing can be done in a way that isn't like a concentration camp, I'd have little objection, but do you really think that would help much? A lot of European countries have taken in a lot of refugees and so far the only crimes that have risen are hate crimes committed by extremists who are NOT refugees. ISIS has a lot of interest to discourage every country to take in refugees, their main target are actually the very people who are trying to flee. I wouldn't put it past them to try and infiltrate with terrorists, but I would think a terrorist in the middle of refugees who absolutely hate ISIS, the other refugees would be the best to expose them, if they wouldn't rip the terrorist to shreds first. Imagine a bunch of people who lost everything, including loved ones to terrorists... Plus they know their environment and all that, they would be possibly much more astute than "our" lot in vetting.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Staleek

You are substituting one form of discrimination for another. You are implying that one group of humans are more worthy of life than another, which, if true, would put you into pretty much the same camp as ISIS.

Here's a counter proposal; why don't free and prosperous nations take in any refugees from anywhere, as mandated by international law as well as by anyone with any sort of humanity.

No, she is saying that one group of people are at greater risk than others.

What is the metrics used to determine whom is at greater risk?

We have people fleeing drug lords in Central America and people fleeing a warzone in Syria. Which of those two is at "...greater risk"?

The drug lords promote violence and caos, ISIS is engaged in genocide, I think genocide counts as the greater risk. Should those of us in civilized parts of the country (not PROM of course) be taking chigagoians as refugees?