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Lucylastic -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (1/4/2016 9:58:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Thou shalt not murder is religious, it cannot be qualified as bad without the method and procedures we know of as religion. Atheists cannot conclude on an atheist model that murder is either good or bad and remain within their own philosophical boundaries, and the closest they can come is that its merely another phenomena. I suppose it'd be a complete waste of time asking you where you get this sort of stuff, R0? deep in the recesses of his lower colon. Common sense says before this particular "god" sent down the tablets.. mortality and propagating the next generation is the reason killing is "against most laws" got fuck all to do with a "god" that sends down tablets and then encourages death to non believers.

Phydeaux -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (1/4/2016 12:52:12 PM)
quote: Not wrong full of logic and point. It is clear you are in the rapture of hallucination, a day goes from the darkness to the light. Ask god, a day had turned. Otherwise it would be no great trick to have the sun stand still as it did in the valley of ai, and the day did not turn. I dont know where the I and the father are one today you will be with me in paradise comes from, it is not a standard translation of all the translations out there. The day turned before he went to gehenna and on to paradise, in every version of this fairytale I have read. Well, its good I have you so twisted up. Lets get this straight - you are with a straight face, saying that people at the time of christ believed that when a cloud passed, or an eclipse, that it constitued a new day. That is what you consider full of logic. Really? I asked you to provide any proof of such a ridiculous assertion - and as is your usual wont you ignored a post you couldn't refute. But this leads to your fifth scriptural error. Because once again, your ridiculous point of view is rejected in scripture. Which if you were all knowing and full on point you would know. So your argument is that when the darkness had passed over the land, it counted as another day... Except, John 19:31 Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. 32So the soldiers came, and broke the legs of the first man and of the other who was crucified with Him; but coming to Jesus, when they saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs.… John 19:38 After these things Joseph of Arimathea, being a disciple of Jesus, but a secret one for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate granted permission. So he came and took away His body. So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen wrappings with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews. 41Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42Therefore because of the Jewish day of preparation, since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there. So you see Jesus was crucified on the day before the Sabbath, (so the bodies would not remain on the cross on the sabbath), and jesus was buried on the day of preparation ie., the day before the sabbath. The same chronology is established in multiple points. Matt 28:1, Mk 16:1-2; Lk 23:56, 24:1, Jn 28:1 IE. The same day. So once again your idea that a day had passed is proven wrong. And your claim of knowledge of scriptures, once again, refuted.

mnottertail -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (1/4/2016 2:29:58 PM)
If you say you are a convicted child molester, I will believe you. Only ignorant fairytalists like youself believe if a cloud goes overhead a new day occurs. only cretinous fuckheads such as yourself believe that an eclipse is a new day. And it was evening and it was morning, one day" (Genesis 1:5). day goes from night before to night next. The word of god. You have not only no knowledge of scripture, or history, but you just don't have any knowledge. If there was an eclipse in that year, you can prove it. ad 29 and you want to be looking from april 7th lets say till around the 21st (but we can actually know the exact day). Eclipses were big deals, if it would have been an eclipse there would be more and more peeping and muttering of wizards in the passages, if a cloud went overhead a could would have went overhead, a new day is what it was. nobody gives the glimmer of a good goddamn fuck about where they took his stinking ass. happened in this order today you will be with me in paradise darkness covered the land for 3 hours (night, new day) it is finished, abba abba abba, blah blah blah.

Phydeaux -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (1/4/2016 3:07:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail If you say you are a convicted child molester, I will believe you. You are a convicted child molester. Since you know better than I, your sexual predator status, I suppose you have reasons for believing me. (Preceeding tongue in cheek - verbal snark that was just too funny to pass up.)

Phydeaux -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (1/4/2016 3:39:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail If you say you are a convicted child molester, I will believe you. Only ignorant fairytalists like youself believe if a cloud goes overhead a new day occurs. only cretinous fuckheads such as yourself believe that an eclipse is a new day. And it was evening and it was morning, one day" (Genesis 1:5). day goes from night before to night next. The word of god. You have not only no knowledge of scripture, or history, but you just don't have any knowledge. If there was an eclipse in that year, you can prove it. ad 29 and you want to be looking from april 7th lets say till around the 21st (but we can actually know the exact day). Eclipses were big deals, if it would have been an eclipse there would be more and more peeping and muttering of wizards in the passages, if a cloud went overhead a could would have went overhead, a new day is what it was. nobody gives the glimmer of a good goddamn fuck about where they took his stinking ass. happened in this order today you will be with me in paradise darkness covered the land for 3 hours (night, new day) it is finished, abba abba abba, blah blah blah. I never said there was an eclipse, I was attempting to get you to make a rational declarative sentence that stated what your beliefs were. This whole line of discussion originated because you commented on the scriptures where Jesus turns to the good thief and says, "this day, you will be with me in paradise". You said this was impossible. I said it wasn't impossible - on two basis. 1. Christ visited gehenna, then paradise. As Christ died at 3pm-ish - where is the conflict? 2. That Christian doctrine holds that Christ and G-d the father are triune. I gave multiple quotes proving that is indeed Christian doctrine. You keep making some unintelligble statement saying that a new day had passed. But that is not the case. The scriptures are clear that Jesus was taken to the high priests, condemned, taken to Pilate, crucified, had the encounter with the good thief, died, and was buried all on the same day. I provided the scriptural basis for the last two points, and can provide the basis for the previous ones as well. There is no basis, either in scripture or from history at the time, for saying that a new day occurred at the point you are indicating it did. The timeline, well established in doctrine and scripture: Jesus celebrates Passover (thursday) goes to the mount, prays. Is handed over to the jews Peter denies him three times before the start of friday. On Friday, Jesus is taken to the high priest. Jesus says he is God (I am who am). He is taken to Pilate, who found no fault with the man) He suffers 40 lashes, mocked, crowned with thorns, carries the cross. The soldiers cast lots for his clothing, as predicted in scripture. He is crucified. Encounter with the theif; darkness covers the land. darkness stops covering the land; jesus forgives his persecuters, uttering Eli, Eli lama sabacthani. ONlookers debate - offer him wine. He drinks, and dies, somewhat after 3. Joseph of Arimethea takes his body, and bury him. They do so quickly, because the sabath (Saturday) starts at sundown. The sabbath goes from sundown on friday, to sundown on saturday. It is therefore not possible for you to support your statement that a new day occurred in these events.

mnottertail -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (1/5/2016 12:04:07 PM)
you have had my clear rational declarative sentence at the outset. you ignore it, because its fact contradicts the hallucination. god says dark then light is one day. nobody gives a fuck what happened to his husk, we stipulate the ghost has quit it when he dies at that instant. there must have also been an earthquake on this day of an eclipse. (give me another physical phenomenon that would make it dark for 3 hours). the day changed. so, on to the next lie. there are two begats in the NT, and they differ. cannot be true.

Phydeaux -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (1/5/2016 6:18:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail you have had my clear rational declarative sentence at the outset. you ignore it, because its fact contradicts the hallucination. god says dark then light is one day. nobody gives a fuck what happened to his husk, we stipulate the ghost has quit it when he dies at that instant. there must have also been an earthquake on this day of an eclipse. (give me another physical phenomenon that would make it dark for 3 hours). the day changed. so, on to the next lie. there are two begats in the NT, and they differ. cannot be true. You keep repeating that. I have shown that your understanding is wrong. Passover Thursday. Death on Friday, Buried on Friday. Each of these supported by multiple scriptures. There is no gap in the record. No space for an additional day. The word used for night is layil; the word used for darkness is chosek. The sun rules the day, (genesis 1;15, and the moon rules the night. The word used for darkness in the gospels is different from the word used for night. And the words used in the gospels mean darkness, and not night. Luke says darkness covered the sun (which rules the day). By the way, this darkness was noted by roman historians as well as egyptian and others. Which meant that it covered a disatnce of more than 3000 miles. Again I have no idea what you are bloviating about two begats. But it certainly has nothing to do with christian doctrine. Good luck otter.

Real0ne -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (1/6/2016 3:51:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Time is not a watch. We don't need cycles to understand that it passes. But we also can see that it is not constant. Ignorant slobbering is not understanding, babbling asswipe is not expertise. we can measure a second to great precision, but not perfectly. the time differences due to influences is not within the margin of error. They are greater. You better eat some more ass. Fucktards are still and constantly fucktarding. the demonstrated macabre hallucinatory asswipe spewing lack of comprehension of physics, law, and every subject you post on does essentially makes you the laugingstock of even the most feebleminded inmates of your residence. dumbass International Atomic Time From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia International Atomic Time (TAI, from the French name Temps Atomique International[1]) is a high-precision atomic coordinate time standard based on the notional passage of proper time on Earth's geoid.[2] It is the basis for Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), which is used for civil timekeeping all over the Earth's surface, and for Terrestrial Time, which is used for astronomical calculations. As of 30 June 2015 when the last leap second was added,[3] TAI is exactly 36 seconds ahead of UTC. The 36 seconds results from the initial difference of 10 seconds at the start of 1972, plus 26 leap seconds in UTC since 1972.] stop making shit up and pretending its what I said or meant.

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