Phydeaux
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If you say you are a convicted child molester, I will believe you.
Only ignorant fairytalists like youself believe if a cloud goes overhead a new day occurs.
only cretinous fuckheads such as yourself believe that an eclipse is a new day.
And it was evening and it was morning, one day" (Genesis 1:5). day goes from night before to night next. The word of god.
You have not only no knowledge of scripture, or history, but you just don't have any knowledge.
If there was an eclipse in that year, you can prove it. ad 29 and you want to be looking from april 7th lets say till around the 21st (but we can actually know the exact day). Eclipses were big deals, if it would have been an eclipse there would be more and more peeping and muttering of wizards in the passages, if a cloud went overhead a could would have went overhead, a new day is what it was.
nobody gives the glimmer of a good goddamn fuck about where they took his stinking ass.
happened in this order
today you will be with me in paradise
darkness covered the land for 3 hours (night, new day)
it is finished, abba abba abba, blah blah blah.
*I* never said there was an eclipse, I was attempting to get you to make a rational declarative sentence that stated what your beliefs were.
This whole line of discussion originated because you commented on the scriptures where Jesus turns to the good thief and says, "this day, you will be with me in paradise".
You said this was impossible.
I said it wasn't impossible - on two basis. 1. Christ visited gehenna, then paradise. As Christ died at 3pm-ish - where is the conflict?
2. That Christian doctrine holds that Christ and G-d the father are triune. I gave multiple quotes proving that is indeed Christian doctrine.
You keep making some unintelligble statement saying that a new day had passed.
But that is not the case. The scriptures are clear that Jesus was taken to the high priests, condemned, taken to Pilate, crucified, had the encounter with the good thief, died, and was buried all on the same day.
I provided the scriptural basis for the last two points, and can provide the basis for the previous ones as well.
There is no basis, either in scripture or from history at the time, for saying that a new day occurred at the point you are indicating it did.
The timeline, well established in doctrine and scripture:
Jesus celebrates Passover (thursday)
goes to the mount, prays. Is handed over to the jews
Peter denies him three times before the start of friday.
On Friday, Jesus is taken to the high priest. Jesus says he is God (I am who am). He is taken to Pilate, who found no fault with the man)
He suffers 40 lashes, mocked, crowned with thorns, carries the cross.
The soldiers cast lots for his clothing, as predicted in scripture.
He is crucified. Encounter with the theif; darkness covers the land.
darkness stops covering the land; jesus forgives his persecuters, uttering Eli, Eli lama sabacthani.
ONlookers debate - offer him wine.
He drinks, and dies, somewhat after 3.
Joseph of Arimethea takes his body, and bury him. They do so quickly, because the sabath (Saturday) starts at sundown.
The sabbath goes from sundown on friday, to sundown on saturday. It is therefore not possible for you to support your statement that a new day occurred in these events.
< Message edited by Phydeaux -- 1/4/2016 4:15:32 PM >
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