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LadyConstanze -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 3:15:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Please do show me ONE law where you are forced to give up your beliefs or to not worship whichever deity you see fit to worship? Unilaterally applied federal commercial accommodation laws. One example, if you can make it, stop the hoofwaffling, give a real example, nobody stops you from worshipping whatever you deem fit, all they do is stopping you from forcing your beliefs on others, which seems fair as they want the same freedom you have Done by forcing others beliefs religion [their 'atheist' beliefs] on me. [8\|] I don't force logic on you, because I belief in your right to be an ignorant little twat (and I don't think you'd be capable of realizing logic if it bit you in the face), how often do I have to tell you that you are free to believe in anything you want Oh so you 'belief' I am free to have beliefs but not free to exercise my religion, meanwhile athiests are free to have not-beliefs and exercise their 'lack' same as any other religion and expect to make the rules for the rest of us? You really do not see a problem with that? Where does my freedom to not pray or exercise a religion influence yours? Do I walk into your home and take your prayer rug away? Freedom of religion means you are free to pray to whoever you see fit, just like the Muslim, Buddhist, Pagan, Satanist is fit to pray to whoever they like, and I am free to not do so. You just do not have the right to force your religion on me and try to make me worship at your altar. How would you like it if a Satanist would demand that you also take part in his prayer to Satan? If a Muslim would expect you to bow to Mecca, completely unacceptable, right? So I am not stopping you from going to church or anything, just like I don't stop anybody from going to a Temple or a Mosque, you and they just don't get to dictate me that I should go to a Temple, Mosque or Church. Tell me how that stops your religious freedom or what problem you have with being allowed to exercise your religion? I am not running into your service and scream "SCAM, stop praying", do tell me where your religion (whatever the fuck it is, since you didn't decide to tell us, I assume you're a Muslim) is infringed? Would you really want communal prayers to Allah every morning or should religion be done in private, since it seems to be a very private matter of personal belief without evidence?

Real0ne -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 3:21:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: yeh toddlers grow up someday and and some are able to figure out the logical fallacies that atheists are forcing upon them because atheists usually lack the required intellectual development to understand that lack of belief in a deity is the same as the belief that no deity exists, which in philosophy is called trying to make a distinction where no difference exists. Well, that's very strange. You see, I am quite intellectually developed, yet I don't believe that lack of belief in a deity is the same as the belief that no deity exists. I also don't believe that this has the slightest thing to do with 'making a distinction where no difference exists.'. It is a distinction with no difference in the context atheists use it and a frivolous argument. If you wanna step up to the plate and have a serious discussion I'm green. So make your case [;)]

LadyConstanze -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 3:23:24 PM)
Btw, I'm a bit bored with asking over and over for evidence (you do understand the word, or is it lack of understanding what it means that stops you from answering) why your rights are somehow infringed or what I am actively doing to stop you, I haven't taken your prayer rug, your turban, your pagan tree also referred to as Xmas tree, I'm super fine with whatever you do, if your religion tells you to run counter clockwise naked 3 times around a dog turd, I'm fine with that, as long as you don't do in some designated space and not where it is forced on me. Knock yourself out, put peas or legos into your socks and walk 10 miles if that is what your religion demands, just don't expect me and others to do the same. Pretty simple isn't it?

LadyConstanze -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 3:28:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: yeh toddlers grow up someday and and some are able to figure out the logical fallacies that atheists are forcing upon them because atheists usually lack the required intellectual development to understand that lack of belief in a deity is the same as the belief that no deity exists, which in philosophy is called trying to make a distinction where no difference exists. Well, that's very strange. You see, I am quite intellectually developed, yet I don't believe that lack of belief in a deity is the same as the belief that no deity exists. I also don't believe that this has the slightest thing to do with 'making a distinction where no difference exists.'. It is a distinction with no difference in the context atheists use it and a frivolous argument. If you wanna step up to the plate and have a serious discussion I'm green. So make your case [;)] OK, you are obviously too stupid or incapable to answer, or you might just be incapable of understanding. Hope the sort bus had special padding for you. Nobody is forcing you to accept science, it's your choice, you can't force anybody to believe without evidence, because people do use their brains and you can't command people to believe without evidence, tough titties, again, nobody removes your prayer rug or forces you to cut the side locks and all that, you just don't get to dictate to us to have them. How terribly unjust is that? If you do want a society that forces religion on people, there are a few countries in the Middle East who are ideal for that...

PeonForHer -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 3:31:57 PM)
quote: If you wanna step up to the plate and have a serious discussion I'm green. So make your case Fine. Just answer this question: Do you believe in Flargledorpf?

Real0ne -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 3:34:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze how often do I have to tell you that you are free to believe in anything you want btw it's defined as such "an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof." Hey, if you feel the need to accept that the earth is flat, I'm fine with it, just don't tell me I should forsake logic and science and buy into it. Galileo Galilei made some scientific discoveries, we all know how that turned out with "believers" quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity but you have already thrown logic out the window since the atheist mantra is that atheism is not a religion because they lack belief in a deity. as I have already shown its the distinction without a difference fallacy. (that means illogical) You somehow came to the conclusion that atheism would have to require a deity to be a religion but have not shown anything other than your interpretation of the dictionary as a substitute for philosophical argument and I am very sorry but that pig has no wings and cant fly.

JVoV -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 3:38:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV I mostly agree. Even if man didn't have the scientific words to explain what was going on at the time, they were still able to document events as best they saw them. Even in modern times, religious leaders blame natural events on the wrath of God though. Yeh everything has to be dumbed down to try and communicate with the ignorant, like trying to explain that 3 buildings in new york with completely different damage can all just happen to fall into the greatest path of resistance. Its no different today as it was then. I was thinking more about Florida wildfires being blamed on God hating gays at Disney World, etc. My God has better aim than that.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 3:39:37 PM)
Keep waffling, still not an example, you have shown nothing and you have nothing to show. I don't even know what your religion is, so why don't you tell us and give us all an example of how prosecuted you are and how atheists stop you from exercising your religion? Obviously if it's fornicating in public, I would think people who don't worship at the same shrine might be rightfully offended

Real0ne -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 3:44:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: If you wanna step up to the plate and have a serious discussion I'm green. So make your case Fine. Just answer this question: Do you believe in Flargledorpf? ah very good, gold star in fact. I considered simply making that argument up front as a counter to mine but generally I have a policy not to make arguments for my opponents. Yes I would agree that the singular exception is 'no knowledge' of anything moral, which would allow for such an exception, however atheists cant have that get out of jail free card since they claim to have knowledge and made their own determinate set of beliefs based on their own evaluative requirements. (which is no different from the formation of any other religion, but I will wait to see your counter if you have one) your turn.

PeonForHer -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 3:47:08 PM)
... So, was that a 'Yes', a 'No', or a 'don't know - what is Flargledorpf?'

LadyConstanze -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 3:48:46 PM)
Let’s assume all of a sudden I find religion and decide to worship the god of fornication, should I be allowed to practise my religion everywhere where my god (or certain class A drugs) command me to worship? How about on your front lawn or in your living room? In the middle of somebody service of another religion? Why would you want to infringe my religious rights? Btw atheists do good deeds without the bargain of buying a place in heaven, just because they think it's the right thing to do...

LadyConstanze -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 3:53:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV I was thinking more about Florida wildfires being blamed on God hating gays at Disney World, etc. My God has better aim than that. Some idiots blame the draught in California on gays, just oddly enough in the UK the same idiots blame the rain and floods on gays, their god obviously decides to punish the straight people along with the guilty parties, must be because he's so "just" or they have no idea about how climate change works. If there is a god working with nature, I always wonder why he doesn't use the flash and lightening stuff on child molesters, or does he simply not bother with them?

Real0ne -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 4:00:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer ... So, was that a 'Yes', a 'No', or a 'don't know - what is Flargledorpf?' So no knowledge is not your point? My bad for dropping the ball. State your case. A case is not made by asking me what your case is. If there is something I am supposed to conclude from all that do point out what it is and make your case.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 4:02:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer ... So, was that a 'Yes', a 'No', or a 'don't know - what is Flargledorpf?' So no knowledge is not your point? My bad for dropping the ball. State your case. A case is not made by asking me what your case is. If there is something I am supposed to conclude from all that do point out what it is and make your case. So you are OK with people worshipping their deity by fornication on your lawn, living room, in schools and all that, because they should enjoy the same freedom of religion you want?

PeonForHer -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 4:02:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer ... So, was that a 'Yes', a 'No', or a 'don't know - what is Flargledorpf?' So no knowledge is not your point? My bad for dropping the ball. State your case. A case is not made by asking me what your case is. If there is something I am supposed to conclude from all that do point out what it is and make your case. You're just supposed to answer the question, R0 - simple as that. If you can't or won't, please just say so, to save us all the time.

Real0ne -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 4:05:53 PM)
A case is made by making a statement. Now you said you are intelligent and I expect you to make a statement and then we can argue based on an argument not innuendo. Either you are capable of making a reasoned argument or not. I am not interested in theatrics.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 4:10:46 PM)
I'm not interested in hoofwaffling, you still haven't given me a definite example how your religious freedom is infringed and if you would allow me to practise my new found religion the same way you want yours to be practised.... Guess you just can't answer... Go and make a single argument, if you are capable and we don't intellectually overcharge you

PeonForHer -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 4:16:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne A case is made by making a statement. Now you said you are intelligent and I expect you to make a statement and then we can argue based on an argument not innuendo. Either you are capable of making a reasoned argument or not. I am not interested in theatrics. Right, because as someone who buys into God, you can't stand theatrics? Wouldn't you say that was a bit atypical for religionists? But as for reasoning, I'm sure I don't need to point out that I was using the Socratic method in order to kick off a dialectical process. It's quite a highly respected method, as I'm sure you know. I don't know if there is a term for this, but me - the phenomenon I think I've just seen is that of the oft-seen one of 'blocking an atheist with smugness'.

americanpie2003 -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 4:24:59 PM)
Would not one of the flaws of this thread be that there is little to no difference between the categories religious/genetic/historical/scientific. We all know there are no such thing as "facts". all of these categories mentioned are based in theories that require a level of faith and trust to believe. Our human knowledge base is growing and day by day and none of the above categories & theories claim to even come close to containing all knowledge and being free from human flaws in understanding & knowledge. Much of what we believe to be scientific fact today will prove to be wrong tomorrow (which is fine since it's all based in theory ). I guess my point is we all are practicing a theory of life. If we don't have one we are lost. None of us were born with any of there theories and needed someone to share them with us. I learned things from science, religion and more. if someone puts on a spiritual dance in a public place, I don't get offended. I know that's a cool expression of their theory (and its a theory that could be right). It its a bit funny, because the thread could be also just as accurately titled "a historical prospective of religious facts verses past and future fatal scientific flaws". Great post!

Real0ne -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/21/2015 4:28:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne A case is made by making a statement. Now you said you are intelligent and I expect you to make a statement and then we can argue based on an argument not innuendo. Either you are capable of making a reasoned argument or not. I am not interested in theatrics. Right, because as someone who buys into God, you can't stand theatrics? Wouldn't you say that was a bit atypical for religionists? But as for reasoning, I'm sure I don't need to point out that I was using the Socratic method in order to kick off a dialectical process. It's quite a highly respected method, as I'm sure you know. I don't know if there is a term for this, but me - the phenomenon I think I've just seen is that of the oft-seen one of 'blocking an atheist with smugness'. Blocking? Not in the least. I made an argument, actually more than one, however the one we (you and I) are concerned with is that the atheists lack of belief in something is no different than and the same as belief in something else. Atheists claim there is a distinction and difference but cannot articulate what that distinction is. You are digressing your own position. The lack of position is the atheist position for their claim they are not a religion as their get out of jail free card. I have already kicked off what should be a dialectical process but you seem to want to wander in a different direction and are using what appears to be something you are not able to define?

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