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Kenyan Muslims shield Christians in Mandera bus attack

I was reading that story late last night. I thought it astonishingly brave of those people, considering that even sympathisers of Christians are in danger from these Islamist fruitcakes in a lot of places. Somewhat irrational, I know, but I started thinking, 'You Muslims: OK, I owe you one.'

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Kenyan Muslims shield Christians in Mandera bus attack

I was reading that story late last night. I thought it astonishingly brave of those people, considering that even sympathisers of Christians are in danger from these Islamist fruitcakes in a lot of places. Somewhat irrational, I know, but I started thinking, 'You Muslims: OK, I owe you one.'

A very "I am Spartacus" moment. I'd like to think many Germans did this to protect their Jewish friends, unfortunately with worse results.

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Grandpa is the only German we have in the family and he got some experience regarding the hospitality in the camps due to his political views, I never saw him in short sleeves or shorts even in the most brutal of heat, I didn't know why until he got very sick and needed sponge baths, the scars and lumps were horrible, when I asked him, the guards had truncheons with spirals that were covered with leather, so when they hit somebody, they didn't break skin but the tissue underneath, i.e. didn't render them unable to work. At the end of his life he opened up a bit and talked about his experiences, he said he could do it because he was single, he didn't blame the Germans who didn't dare to speak out or fight back, because apparently a popular torture method of the Nazis was raping and torturing the female family members in front of the members of the resistance - a good way to make them betray all secrets.

I don't think any of us have an idea what went on at the time and the terror people lived under

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There's one thing fearing death and it's another thing to see your wife, sister, daughter, etc. being raped and tortured. For ages I thought people were spineless to not stand up against them, when seeing the scars and hearing him say what went on, I changed my view dramatically, because let's face it who could condemn loved ones to that? All the more important to never ever let it come to that sort of thing, learn from history and stop them before they have the power to torture.

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Kenyan Muslims shield Christians in Mandera bus attack

A group of Kenyan Muslims travelling on a bus ambushed by Islamist gunmen protected Christian passengers by refusing to be split into groups, according to eyewitnesses.

They told the militants "to kill them together or leave them alone", a local governor told Kenyan media.

At least two people were killed in the attack, near the north-eastern village of El Wak on the Somali border.

The Somali based al-Shabab group is the main suspect for the attack.

It has not said if it was responsible, but often carries out attacks in Kenya's north-east.

The bus was travelling from the capital Nairobi to the town of Mandera.

When al-Shabab killed 148 people in an attack on Garissa University College in April, the militants reportedly singled out Christians and shot them, while freeing many Muslims.

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"The locals showed a sense of patriotism and belonging to each other," Mandera governor Ali Roba told Kenya's private Daily Nation newspaper.

The militants decided to leave after the passengers' show of unity, he added.

An employee of the Makkah bus company, who had spoken to the driver involved in the attack, confirmed to the BBC that Muslims had refused to be separated from their fellow Christian passengers.

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There's one thing fearing death and it's another thing to see your wife, sister, daughter, etc. being raped and tortured. For ages I thought people were spineless to not stand up against them, when seeing the scars and hearing him say what went on, I changed my view dramatically, because let's face it who could condemn loved ones to that? All the more important to never ever let it come to that sort of thing, learn from history and stop them before they have the power to torture.

Being a student of history, I knew that there were good reasons for people not standing up to the Nazis. The famous case of the people downwind from a death camp where the mayor committed suicide when he was forced to tour (by the allies) the camp where he had decieved himself as to what was going on. I have for decades said that the only thing he would have accomplished by speaking out against it was joining them, of course his family would have gone with them. The is the case of a German woman, loyal and never saying a word agaist the Nazis who got into the wrong part of a train station, saw them shipping out the Jews, she and her sons were forced on to the train even though the soldiers knew she wasn't a Jew and were shipped off to a death camp. I knew a survivor of one of those camps. Keep in mind that I grew up in the 50s/60s and these things were still part of the national conciousness. This is why I oppose government power even in its most benign incarnations.

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If this guy was targeting a known terrorist cell that was planning it's own strike,

Is this meant to plant the seed of validity for this scumbags actions? Only a punkassmotherfucker would assume that this moron had any motive except to murder innocent people.
Gotta ask why you would bring this insipid concept to print? What is your motive?

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Grandpa is the only German we have in the family and he got some experience regarding the hospitality in the camps due to his political views, I never saw him in short sleeves or shorts even in the most brutal of heat, I didn't know why until he got very sick and needed sponge baths, the scars and lumps were horrible, when I asked him, the guards had truncheons with spirals that were covered with leather, so when they hit somebody, they didn't break skin but the tissue underneath, i.e. didn't render them unable to work. At the end of his life he opened up a bit and talked about his experiences, he said he could do it because he was single, he didn't blame the Germans who didn't dare to speak out or fight back, because apparently a popular torture method of the Nazis was raping and torturing the female family members in front of the members of the resistance - a good way to make them betray all secrets.

I don't think any of us have an idea what went on at the time and the terror people lived under

The Nazis were ruthless and evil. Standing up to them was inviting slow death.

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There's one thing fearing death and it's another thing to see your wife, sister, daughter, etc. being raped and tortured. For ages I thought people were spineless to not stand up against them, when seeing the scars and hearing him say what went on, I changed my view dramatically, because let's face it who could condemn loved ones to that? All the more important to never ever let it come to that sort of thing, learn from history and stop them before they have the power to torture.

Being a student of history, I knew that there were good reasons for people not standing up to the Nazis. The famous case of the people downwind from a death camp where the mayor committed suicide when he was forced to tour (by the allies) the camp where he had decieved himself as to what was going on. I have for decades said that the only thing he would have accomplished by speaking out against it was joining them, of course his family would have gone with them. The is the case of a German woman, loyal and never saying a word agaist the Nazis who got into the wrong part of a train station, saw them shipping out the Jews, she and her sons were forced on to the train even though the soldiers knew she wasn't a Jew and were shipped off to a death camp. I knew a survivor of one of those camps. Keep in mind that I grew up in the 50s/60s and these things were still part of the national conciousness. This is why I oppose government power even in its most benign incarnations.

and we did the same thing to the japs. I do enjoy the language however in that whenever speaking of germany they are 'death camps' and america they are 'internment camps' when the only difference is that in germany the jews actually earned a wage for their services and could buy beer and cigarettes at the kanteena and see plays etc whereas the japs were not afforded those luxuries by the US..

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There's one thing fearing death and it's another thing to see your wife, sister, daughter, etc. being raped and tortured. For ages I thought people were spineless to not stand up against them, when seeing the scars and hearing him say what went on, I changed my view dramatically, because let's face it who could condemn loved ones to that? All the more important to never ever let it come to that sort of thing, learn from history and stop them before they have the power to torture.

Being a student of history, I knew that there were good reasons for people not standing up to the Nazis. The famous case of the people downwind from a death camp where the mayor committed suicide when he was forced to tour (by the allies) the camp where he had decieved himself as to what was going on. I have for decades said that the only thing he would have accomplished by speaking out against it was joining them, of course his family would have gone with them. The is the case of a German woman, loyal and never saying a word agaist the Nazis who got into the wrong part of a train station, saw them shipping out the Jews, she and her sons were forced on to the train even though the soldiers knew she wasn't a Jew and were shipped off to a death camp. I knew a survivor of one of those camps. Keep in mind that I grew up in the 50s/60s and these things were still part of the national conciousness. This is why I oppose government power even in its most benign incarnations.

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That's what irks me so much when I hear all this Islamophobia, it just seems like people replace the word Jew with Muslim, and I want no part in that.

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There's one thing fearing death and it's another thing to see your wife, sister, daughter, etc. being raped and tortured. For ages I thought people were spineless to not stand up against them, when seeing the scars and hearing him say what went on, I changed my view dramatically, because let's face it who could condemn loved ones to that? All the more important to never ever let it come to that sort of thing, learn from history and stop them before they have the power to torture.

Being a student of history, I knew that there were good reasons for people not standing up to the Nazis. The famous case of the people downwind from a death camp where the mayor committed suicide when he was forced to tour (by the allies) the camp where he had decieved himself as to what was going on. I have for decades said that the only thing he would have accomplished by speaking out against it was joining them, of course his family would have gone with them. The is the case of a German woman, loyal and never saying a word agaist the Nazis who got into the wrong part of a train station, saw them shipping out the Jews, she and her sons were forced on to the train even though the soldiers knew she wasn't a Jew and were shipped off to a death camp. I knew a survivor of one of those camps. Keep in mind that I grew up in the 50s/60s and these things were still part of the national conciousness. This is why I oppose government power even in its most benign incarnations.

Oddly enough so much was swept under the carpet when it came to the "denazification", one of the biggest bones grandpa had with that was that they told him he was basically working against his government, at the same time people who just joined the party because they had family to feed and you couldn't get a job without being a party member got treated like they caused all of it while high powered members of the party got away.
I asked him how it could have happened and why nobody saw it coming and his reply was "When people are starving, they don't use logic, they just believe in promises and they are desperate to feed their children, there were so many elections, the moderate people were fed up and all the extremists turned out, Hitler won by a narrow margin and then just banned all the other parties" - he made me promise to never waste a vote.

I'm not against government power, we need police, fire brigades, road maintenance and all that, it just shows how important it is that we have power split.

My godmother was a little girl when all of it happened, her brother ended up in a camp for speaking out against the war against Russia, her family also lost a lot of land, it was just "annexed" for refusing to have Hitler's picture in the window, again never restored. Basically anybody who spoke out was trampled down, if you said anything out loud, you were next, you had to send your children to the Hitler youth where they were indoctrinated to spy on you, think Scientology only much much worse. That's what irks me so much when I hear all this Islamophobia, it just seems like people replace the word Jew with Muslim, and I want no part in that.

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Oddly enough so much was swept under the carpet when it came to the "denazification", one of the biggest bones grandpa had with that was that they told him he was basically working against his government, at the same time people who just joined the party because they had family to feed and you couldn't get a job without being a party member got treated like they caused all of it while high powered members of the party got away.
I asked him how it could have happened and why nobody saw it coming and his reply was "When people are starving, they don't use logic, they just believe in promises and they are desperate to feed their children, there were so many elections, the moderate people were fed up and all the extremists turned out, Hitler won by a narrow margin and then just banned all the other parties" - he made me promise to never waste a vote.

I'm not against government power, we need police, fire brigades, road maintenance and all that, it just shows how important it is that we have power split.

My godmother was a little girl when all of it happened, her brother ended up in a camp for speaking out against the war against Russia, her family also lost a lot of land, it was just "annexed" for refusing to have Hitler's picture in the window, again never restored. Basically anybody who spoke out was trampled down, if you said anything out loud, you were next, you had to send your children to the Hitler youth where they were indoctrinated to spy on you, think Scientology only much much worse. That's what irks me so much when I hear all this Islamophobia, it just seems like people replace the word Jew with Muslim, and I want no part in that.