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Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 7:52:11 AM   
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First post hello!

I am a mid 20's male dominant in a relationship with a mid 20's female sub. So here's my thoughts/ how we incorporate punishment into our relationship. I started writing this hoping some more experienced people could help clarify some things but I ended up questioning whether I was a true dominant.

So I have been reading through these forms and noticed that the scenes general consensus on punishment is that it is only for extreme infractions or should not be used at all. I have noticed several people saying that adults shouldn't use punishments at all as it is deeming and literally "punitive' by nature. I though I understood the difference between play punishment and real punishment. Then I realized I did not. All punishment was play punishment to me. I would never (truly) punish my sub for something that they actually did wrong." I might leave them, or counsel them as a partner, talk about it, whatever. Any time I "punish" it is done playfully or in character. I do punish her for breaking my rules/infractions. Even if it is a harsh formal punishment it is understood as just play. I think this is just the dynamic I have with my sub. Does anyone else have a similar thing? In other words. The word punishment means play punishment to us, and a real punishment does not exist. This works for us because we both enjoy punishment. I know this is a contradiction. I guess we just treat it as a kinky thing that turns us on. I don't see any harm in that. I suppose it's because we are not in a 24/7 TPE?

Thoughts anyone? Are we doing it wrong?
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RE: Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 8:08:53 AM   
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hi gmorning, happy boxing day.
If its working for your submissive, and its working for you? I would say you have everything right.
I never used punishment...funishment plenty of times.
Dont mind what anyone else says about your "domliness". Its your relationship, its your life, sod em. Unless you are competing for a title, what you have is yours and yours alone.
one thing i do have a light knee tremble...is leaving her, now...I just walked away from a relationship, but it was after all attempts T DISCUSSING STUFF HAD FAILED..communication failure is ...hard, but it looks from your own words as if you are doing it your way, as long as you are both happy...bugger everyone elses opinions on your twue domliness.'have fun and enjoy.
just my 2 cents.


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RE: Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 8:45:45 AM   
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If it is play for both of you, thne perhaps the coined term "funishment" applies?



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RE: Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 9:03:04 AM   
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Thanks for your affirming words. I think the reason this works out in our relationship is because we know each other so well and communicate openly. For example I would never punish her, even if she might deserve it, if she looked like she wasn't in the mood. I wouldn't even bring it up. This hasn't actually happened, she is very submissive and caters to me at all times. If anything I would just save the spanking for later. The point is she is allowed to tell me anything at any time. I also am very open with my feelings.

I'm sorry to hear about your last relationship. I'm sure you'll find what your looking for.

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RE: Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 9:05:01 AM   
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I personally would never be cool with a dominant who is actually seriously punishing me. Play punishment all the way for me.

I don't respond well to punishment dynamic.

But it depends on the submissive. There is no proper way, only what works for both of you.

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RE: Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 9:10:05 AM   
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-AngelikaJ

Exactly. Just mincing vocab at this point. Well I guess what inspired me to write the post originally was the idea of not picking something for punishment that your slave enjoys. Then I thought why not? If we both enjoy it then the worst that can happen is she messes up more and I can punish her more. Then I realized I don't need real punishment in our relationship.

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RE: Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 9:41:37 AM   
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I love being spanked.
For me, spankings are more of a reward.

Having stated that, we do have a punishment dynamic.
Punishment is rare, and it is never something I enjoy and neither does He.
Part of it is knowing I have disappointed Him, but part of it is that He makes punishment something that is very painful/unpleasant.



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RE: Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 10:13:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KillYourTV1

Thanks for your affirming words. I think the reason this works out in our relationship is because we know each other so well and communicate openly. For example I would never punish her, even if she might deserve it, if she looked like she wasn't in the mood. I wouldn't even bring it up. This hasn't actually happened, she is very submissive and caters to me at all times. If anything I would just save the spanking for later. The point is she is allowed to tell me anything at any time. I also am very open with my feelings.

I'm sorry to hear about your last relationship. I'm sure you'll find what your looking for.

It lasted 18 years:) it was not full time,but it was not something I regret. i learned lessons, i enjoyed it, it helped me grow, i had a bunch of fun, i wouldnt put myself up for more of the same tho.........just slight changes...
thank you!

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RE: Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 10:23:49 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KillYourTV1

-AngelikaJ

Exactly. Just mincing vocab at this point. Well I guess what inspired me to write the post originally was the idea of not picking something for punishment that your slave enjoys. Then I thought why not? If we both enjoy it then the worst that can happen is she messes up more and I can punish her more. Then I realized I don't need real punishment in our relationship.

In reading everything you have written, I have yet to hear where you state there is a conflict in your dynamic. You sound as if you and your submissive are enjoying what you have.

What you seem to have a problem with is thinking that you are doing it wrong based on what other people are doing.

Forget them. There are 7 billion people on this earth, and God knows how many of them are looking to find the 'sweet spot' in their relationship that you seem to have found. So good for you.

If it feels right, then it is right. If it doesn't, then it isn't. There is no rule book here, and the sooner that people who start exploring this lifestyle learn that, the better off they are. Too many people think they have to follow proscribed protocols, even if it doesn't feel right to them, simply because the bdsm police say so.

Choosing an alternative lifestyle is about finding a way to live that works for you, regardless of what others say is acceptable or not. Sound to me like you are doing what works. Enjoy it and YAY for you two!

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RE: Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 10:38:30 AM   
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If you're not violating the law/your own conscience, you're on pretty firm ground.



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RE: Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 10:39:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


quote:

ORIGINAL: KillYourTV1

-AngelikaJ

Exactly. Just mincing vocab at this point. Well I guess what inspired me to write the post originally was the idea of not picking something for punishment that your slave enjoys. Then I thought why not? If we both enjoy it then the worst that can happen is she messes up more and I can punish her more. Then I realized I don't need real punishment in our relationship.

In reading everything you have written, I have yet to hear where you state there is a conflict in your dynamic. You sound as if you and your submissive are enjoying what you have.

What you seem to have a problem with is thinking that you are doing it wrong based on what other people are doing.

Forget them. There are 7 billion people on this earth, and God knows how many of them are looking to find the 'sweet spot' in their relationship that you seem to have found. So good for you.

If it feels right, then it is right. If it doesn't, then it isn't. There is no rule book here, and the sooner that people who start exploring this lifestyle learn that, the better off they are. Too many people think they have to follow proscribed protocols, even if it doesn't feel right to them, simply because the bdsm police say so.

Choosing an alternative lifestyle is about finding a way to live that works for you, regardless of what others say is acceptable or not. Sound to me like you are doing what works. Enjoy it and YAY for you two!

its nice to see it isnt it:)

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RE: Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 12:07:09 PM   
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quote:



If it feels right, then it is right. If it doesn't, then it isn't. There is no rule book here, and the sooner that people who start exploring this lifestyle learn that, the better off they are. Too many people think they have to follow proscribed protocols, even if it doesn't feel right to them, simply because the bdsm police say so.

Choosing an alternative lifestyle is about finding a way to live that works for you, regardless of what others say is acceptable or not. Sound to me like you are doing what works. Enjoy it and YAY for you two!

As I frequently say - the rules are made up and the points don't matter.

We don't have a pinishment dynamic and quite frankly, having him upset with me is quite hard on me.

OP, if it's working for you...go for it.

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RE: Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 12:26:35 PM   
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You guys are awesome. Thanks for a warm welcome.

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RE: Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 12:28:25 PM   
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spanking new profile, again hmmm

Punishment = I want cake. I get no cake. I may get the promise of cake but I never truly get it or i get the complete opposite.
I can extrapolate it further is anyone wishes.

Punishment
If she wishes a spanking - no spanking.
If she wishes my lusty loin region in her, ravishing her uncontrollably, for 24 hours..i will eek out one over her body or handbag
Burn one of every shoe.
Rifle through her handbag and spend her cash on cake, or a dozen 50inch lcd

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RE: Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 12:46:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KillYourTV1

First post hello!

I am a mid 20's male dominant in a relationship with a mid 20's female sub. So here's my thoughts/ how we incorporate punishment into our relationship. I started writing this hoping some more experienced people could help clarify some things but I ended up questioning whether I was a true dominant.

So I have been reading through these forms and noticed that the scenes general consensus on punishment is that it is only for extreme infractions or should not be used at all.

That may be in the general consensus but remember that a consensus is just that. As such it does not reflect all the spectrum inherent within but rather a mean of the collective.
Some people use funishment. Still others, especially involved in strict D/S, TPE and/or strong humiliation dynamics may well do otherwise. In those, the slightest infraction may be met with a consequence.

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I have noticed several people saying that adults shouldn't use punishments at all as it is deeming and literally "punitive' by nature.

Again, this is some people. I don' like the word punishment unless used in a heavy humiliation/degradation sense because it carries such negative connotations. I refer to refer to these things as consequences. As such, these are the results of an action. Consequences are intended as a form of behavioral modifications and are the negative side of incentivization.
For Me, the difference is that punishments are designed to tear down, consequences are intended to help shape a better slave.

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I though I understood the difference between play punishment and real punishment. Then I realized I did not. All punishment was play punishment to me. I would never (truly) punish my sub for something that they actually did wrong." I might leave them, or counsel them as a partner, talk about it, whatever. Any time I "punish" it is done playfully or in character. I do punish her for breaking my rules/infractions. Even if it is a harsh formal punishment it is understood as just play. I think this is just the dynamic I have with my sub. Does anyone else have a similar thing? In other words. The word punishment means play punishment to us, and a real punishment does not exist.

Terrific. You found what works for you and fits within your rhythm.
Might not work for others, certainly doesn't for Me, but it's your interaction so in the end the only relevant question is does this work for you?
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This works for us because we both enjoy punishment.

This is just My opinion, but if she enjoys it, it ain't punishment. If she likes pain, I find another method, but one thing for sure, if I'm irritated enough to be laying out consequence, the slut isn't going to enjoy the teeniest tiniest bit of it.
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I know this is a contradiction. I guess we just treat it as a kinky thing that turns us on. I don't see any harm in that. I suppose it's because we are not in a 24/7 TPE?

Nah-This has zip to do with a TPE. It is a style thing
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Thoughts anyone? Are we doing it wrong?

Nope. Not as long as it works for you and yours. And never let anyone external question that.

Look, what you do wouldn't fly for Me. But that in a large part rooted in that pretty much all I do is founded in strict D/S.As a result, I tend to seek out and attract like minded souls. They seek strict discipline and harsh consequences. Hell, they need it.
But that don't make my way right or your way wrong. It just means different strokes fr different folks and that my kink ain't your kink.
Shrugs
No big deal.
As to making you question your dominance, does the slave do what you order? If so, congrats, you the BMOC.
If not, I dunno what to call it but if works for you and yours, hey, keep on keeping on.

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RE: Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 12:56:01 PM   
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She gets on your nerves, you inject a dose of poison into her tea.

That's punishment.

She won't do it again.

And neither will future suitors in her absence.

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RE: Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 1:11:04 PM   
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Got it. Murder sub.

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RE: Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 1:45:12 PM   
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Got it. Murder sub.



I prefer the term: missing in action.



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RE: Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 7:08:07 PM   
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She gets on your nerves, you inject a dose of poison into her tea.

That's punishment.

She won't do it again.

And neither will future suitors in her absence.


Sick fucker.

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RE: Explain punishment? - 12/26/2015 7:21:58 PM   
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She gets on your nerves, you inject a dose of poison into her tea.

That's punishment.

She won't do it again.

And neither will future suitors in her absence.

Nancy Astor to Winston Churchill: If I were your wife, I'd put poison in your tea.

His reply: If I were your husband, I'd drink it.

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