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mnottertail -> Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 7:41:59 AM)
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/millennial-media/201304/do-racism-conservatism-and-low-iq-go-hand-in-hand Well, another study.

bounty44 -> RE: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 7:56:02 AM)
skeptical that youre asking from a genuinely curious perspective, as opposed to taking an idiotic swipe at conservatives, but before I even go there and shoot it to flames, or anyone else does for that matter vile critter parts.... notice its from a blog?? so just from that perspective alone, cant be true right?? remember that the next time you give anyone grief for posting material from a blogger?

mnottertail -> RE: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 8:03:52 AM)
I am skeptical that you are skeptical, since I am asking nothing, not in the least curious about anything. There are no conservatives known to political or all of american life at this time, there are only nutsuckers. There is nothing new under the sun.

Staleek -> RE: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 8:12:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 skeptical that youre asking from a genuinely curious perspective, as opposed to taking a swipe at idiotic conservatives, but before I even go there and shoot it to flames, or anyone else does for that matter vile critter parts.... notice its from a blog?? so just from that perspective alone, cant be true right?? remember that the next time you give anyone grief for posting material from a blogger? Here is stuff which suggest the conservative brain is not only less able to think as deeply, but is also more prone to acting on fear than regular folks. http://www.wired.com/2008/09/fearmongering-h/ http://mic.com/articles/26911/people-who-are-fearful-tend-to-be-politically-conservative-study-says#.4eKJefO7F http://www.rawstory.com/2010/12/conservatives-fear-center-brain/ http://www.alternet.org/story/155210/why_is_the_conservative_brain_more_fearful_the_alternate_reality_right-wingers_inhabit_is_terrifying http://www.salon.com/2010/12/29/conservative_brains/ https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds http://www.browndailyherald.com/2013/02/08/study-links-genetics-of-fear-and-conservative-politics/ Of course this doesn't apply to all conservatives - there are many academics who have a genuine and considered belief in right-wing politics, particularly libertarians (a-la Jeremy Bentham style political types). However, the general disposition of those on the right (global warming isn't real, poor people are lazy, Muslims are all deadly, the military needs to be ultra powerful yet everyone needs to own guns because the government is oppressive) is anti-logic, full of cognitive dissonance, is silly.

tweakabelle -> RE: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 8:25:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Staleek Of course this doesn't apply to all conservatives - there are many academics who have a genuine and considered belief in right-wing politics, particularly libertarians (a-la Jeremy Bentham style political types). However, the general disposition of those on the right (global warming isn't real, poor people are lazy, Muslims are all deadly, the military needs to be ultra powerful yet everyone needs to own guns because the government is oppressive) is anti-logic, full of cognitive dissonance, is silly. Are you sure that the term "silly" is strong enough to convey the precise meaning you want to convey? As opposed to say, moronic, or contradictory and stupid or idiotic or even moronic?,

bounty44 -> RE: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 9:01:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Staleek quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 skeptical that youre asking from a genuinely curious perspective, as opposed to taking a swipe at idiotic conservatives, but before I even go there and shoot it to flames, or anyone else does for that matter vile critter parts.... notice its from a blog?? so just from that perspective alone, cant be true right?? remember that the next time you give anyone grief for posting material from a blogger? Here is stuff which suggest the conservative brain is not only less able to think as deeply, but is also more prone to acting on fear than regular folks. http://www.wired.com/2008/09/fearmongering-h/ http://mic.com/articles/26911/people-who-are-fearful-tend-to-be-politically-conservative-study-says#.4eKJefO7F http://www.rawstory.com/2010/12/conservatives-fear-center-brain/ http://www.alternet.org/story/155210/why_is_the_conservative_brain_more_fearful_the_alternate_reality_right-wingers_inhabit_is_terrifying http://www.salon.com/2010/12/29/conservative_brains/ https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds http://www.browndailyherald.com/2013/02/08/study-links-genetics-of-fear-and-conservative-politics/ Of course this doesn't apply to all conservatives - there are many academics who have a genuine and considered belief in right-wing politics, particularly libertarians (a-la Jeremy Bentham style political types). However, the general disposition of those on the right (global warming isn't real, poor people are lazy, Muslims are all deadly, the military needs to be ultra powerful yet everyone needs to own guns because the government is oppressive) is anti-logic, full of cognitive dissonance, is silly. you posted that exact same garbage last time this came up, and I replied to it. apparently you ignored it then but here it is again just in case: quote: note that the area of the brain is merely larger in conservative types...and not completely absent in liberals. its a part of everyone's brain. everyone but the physiologically deficient experiences fear. as it is, I say so what? but show me data that says that size necessarily translates into experiencing more fear, and id still say "so what?" alternatively, let me turn this (and your thinking) on its head. if there is a "so what" im likely to say being better equipped to recognize danger, and chose the "fight or flight" option (or some other alternative) is better than not, or being less equipped to do so. also, going from the statement of conservatives having a larger or more active amygdala to "are most conservative cowards?" is pretty good evidence of the part of your brain (and comrade critter parts too) that uses logic as being deficient. fear can be and is overcome by cognitive processes--show me data that says conservatives eschew activities or professions that require courage, especially compared to liberals, and then i'll think maybe you have something. otherwise, not and i'll just chalk it up to mnottertail being a sad and bitter unhappy fellow. here’s a good tidbit to end the section on: quote: it’s still unclear what a bigger amygdala (or a bigger anything in the brain) actually means in terms of behavior, not to mention how most brain regions have multiple functions. [in case you are wondering, that quote is from the author of the study] http://www.zdnet.com/article/gray-matter-liberal-brains-vs-conservative-brains/ by the way---one of my old a&p texts tells me the amygdala is central to memory. if its smaller in liberals, gee, that might help explain why you all have such trouble learning from history. gotta love this: quote: The amygdala is also thought to participate in the height of a person's emotional intelligence. It is particularly hypothesized that larger amygdalae allow for greater emotional intelligence, enabling greater societal integration and cooperation with others. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdala in the meantime comrades, itd be better if you just owned up to being kissing cousins to the criminals... and next time---it also might be better if you got someone to interpret results of the study who doesn't have a vested interest in making conservatives look bad? we are supposed to believe its the truth because you found 6 liberals with the some opinion? maybe we'll all believe conservatives are greedy, racist, sexist, homophobes too since the huffington post, media matters, move on and mother jones say so? right... to that very point, try reading the actual article: http://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(11)00289-2.pdf...as opposed to a liberal blogger's spin on it. while im here, I just got my hands on the whole article that the BLOGGER is referencing and will be reading it later, and no doubt finding it rife with disqualifying attributes. the question then comrades will be, do you believe in good science? or just anything that confirms your ill-conceived notions?

Kirata -> RE: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 9:04:20 AM)
~ FR ~ Low IQ & Liberal Beliefs Linked To Poor Research? One would have guessed from the title, that the authors looked at how the scores on the intelligence questions correlated with the scores on the attitude and racism questions, taking into account the uncertainty in the reliability. You would be wrong. Are Conservatives Dumber Than Liberals? Because research has "consistently shown that intelligence is positively correlated with socially liberal beliefs and negatively correlated with religious beliefs," Carl suggests that in the American political context, social scientists would expect Republicans to be less intelligent than Democrats. Instead, Republicans have slightly higher verbal intelligence scores (2–5 IQ points) than Democrats. How could that be? Carl begins by pointing out that there is data suggesting that a segment of the American population holding classical liberal beliefs tends to vote Republican. Classical liberals, Carl notes, believe that an individual should be free to make his own lifestyle choices and to enjoy the profits derived from voluntary transactions with others. He proposes that intelligence actually correlates with classically liberal beliefs... Comparing strong Republicans with strong Democrats, Carl finds that Republicans have a 5.48 IQ point advantage over Democrats. Broadening party affiliation to include moderate to merely leaning respondents still results in a Republican advantage of 3.47 IQ points and 2.47 IQ points respectively. Intelligence And Politics Have a Complex Relationship Interestingly, higher intelligence was associated with less conservative views on traditional gender roles on the one hand, but more “conservative” views opposing government regulation. This suggests that more intelligent people in this study tended to support both greater personal freedom and less government regulation in general (libertarians take note). This finding is similar to a previous finding that higher education was associated with greater support for liberal social policies but not with support for greater economic regulation (Gerber, Huber, Doherty, Dowling, & Ha, 2010)... The findings discussed illustrate a number of key points. Firstly, highly intelligent individuals may actually support right-wing views, not just left-wing ones, contrary to claims that support for right-wing positions reflects a lack of intellectual sophistication. It seems fair to say then that not only liberals, but conservatives (and those with other positions, such as libertarians) can have intellectually sophisticated reasons for their political views. The second point is that categorising people simply as generally liberal or conservative may mask differences in people’s views on social versus economic issues. K.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 9:07:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/millennial-media/201304/do-racism-conservatism-and-low-iq-go-hand-in-hand Well, another study. And another study...this one carried out by a gentleman at Oxford. https://reason.com/archives/2014/06/13/are-conservatives-dumber-than-liberals http://www.usworldreport.com/study-shows-conservatives-have-higher-iqs-than-liberals-2/

Lucylastic -> RE: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 9:21:02 AM)
The "blogger" in question at the top link Ron gave .... Goal Auzeen Saedi, Ph.D., received her doctorate degree in Clinical Psychology from the University of Notre Dame. She completed her Post-Doctoral Fellowship at Stanford University. Prior to this, she completed her Pre-Doctoral Internship training at the University of California, Berkeley; here, she had the distinction of receiving a national honor when selected for the Outstanding Graduate Student/Intern award from APA's Division 17 Society of Counseling Psychology Section on College and University Counseling Centers. She also graduated summa cum laude with a bachelor of arts degree in psychology from Portland State University, where she was a Presidential Scholar. Dr. Saedi is the former student committee chair of the APA Division 46 in Media Psychology. She has written for the APA publications, The School Psychologist and The Amplifier, Media Psychology. She has also published empirical articles in such journals as the American Journal of Orthopsychiatry, Journal of Muslim Mental Health, the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry, and Substance Abuse Treatment, Prevention, and Policy. Additionally, she has written entries for the Encyclopedia of Substance Abuse Prevention, Treatment, and Recovery. Dr. Saedi has served as the Association for Psychological Science Student Caucus (APSCC) representative for the University of Notre Dame and Portland State University. Additionally, she has served as a senior reviewer for the APSCC RiSE-UP (Research on Socially and Economically Underrepresented Populations) competition, and written several pieces on graduate school entry for the Undergraduate Update. She co-taught a seminar on at-risk youth for Notre Dame's Center for Social Concerns, and has worked as a therapist at the university's student counseling center. She also taught courses at Stanford University for their Peer Bridge Program. Dr. Saedi has been featured in several media outlets, including ABCNews.com, Newsweek, Discovery Fit & Health, Elle Magazine (Canada), Glamour Magazine (Brasil), Dallas Morning News, ChinaDaily USA, and Drake Magazine. Additionally, she has served as a business consultant for a firm working with Fortune 500 companies. Finally, she has been active in public speaking engagments. She was a guest on the Dr. Howard Gluss radio show discussing foreign policy in the Middle East. In 2013, she gave a TEDx talk at Gunn High School on the intersection between beauty, exoticization, and race in contemporary

bounty44 -> RE: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 9:28:24 AM)
it doesn't matter who she is---according to comrade vile critter parts, blogs cannot contain valid information. i was referencing him, so wise up. however, since I don't actually believe what comrade vile critter parts maintains in that regard, i'll say this concerning her---it doesn't matter what her qualifications are. since she is blogging, she's not obliged in this instance to critique the work from the perspective of quality research, or even to be truthful, as opposed to saying/supporting things that will further her worldview. I don't trust her any more than I trust joether's blog. got it?

Lucylastic -> RE: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 9:35:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 to that very point, try reading the actual article: http://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(11)00289-2.pdf...as opposed to a liberal blogger's spin on it. while im here, I just got my hands on the whole article that the BLOGGER is referencing and will be reading it later, and no doubt finding it rife with disqualifying attributes. the question then comrades will be, do you believe in good science? or just anything that confirms your ill-conceived notions? They used a group of 90 young people from university college in london. thats in the UK... not using american conservatives, not using american liberals. That you use it to support your"scientific" claims, LMAO is funny

Lucylastic -> RE: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 9:50:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 it doesn't matter who she is---according to comrade vile critter parts, blogs cannot contain valid information. i was referencing him, so wise up. however, since I don't actually believe what comrade vile critter parts maintains in that regard, i'll say this concerning her---it doesn't matter what her qualifications are. since she is blogging, she's not obliged in this instance to critique the work from the perspective of quality research, or even to be truthful, as opposed to saying/supporting things that will further her worldview. I don't trust her any more than I trust joether's blog. got it? wise up?? WIse up? what you said, (not what you wanted to say), is what I had to go on, your little spat with Ron notwithstanding, I dont have anything to do that.I have no more intention of listening to your excuses than I do sticking needles in my eyes. you throw up only rw media bullshit, that is easily debunked. zdnet? ahuh, thats REAL science. She isnt a just a blogger In fact , ANY of the bloggers on that site are highly qualified in their areas, AND come from different studies and political ideas as Kirata showed quite well. Funny you tried several times to push your amygdala point of view, wrongly of course. they came fromooooh wiki.

KenDckey -> RE: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 9:51:23 AM)
http://www2.gcc.edu/dept/econ/ASSC/Papers%202015/ASSC%202015%20-%20Yost,%20Zachary.pdf This one proves that everyone is right and everyone is wrong.

mnottertail -> RE: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 9:55:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 it doesn't matter who she is---according to comrade vile critter parts, blogs cannot contain valid information. i was referencing him, so wise up. According to cretinous nutsuckers only. Nowhere, and I mean nowhere, can you attribute that bit of toiletlicking asswipe you are rolling around on your tongue, to me. Nowhere.

joether -> RE: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 10:54:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 skeptical that youre asking from a genuinely curious perspective, as opposed to taking an idiotic swipe at conservatives, but before I even go there and shoot it to flames, or anyone else does for that matter vile critter parts.... notice its from a blog?? so just from that perspective alone, cant be true right?? remember that the next time you give anyone grief for posting material from a blogger? Actually, the blog is taking the understanding from a number of studies about the same general concept and seeing how they fit together if at all. I'm sure there is a study right now, handling the concepts this blogger is stating right now. The studies do point out several observations that seem consistent with politically conservative individuals from my experience. They are often uneducated, quick to anger, low self control, very arrogant, not able to handle complex discussions, and smell bad. There are some politically conservative individuals whom are the exception, but they are unfortunately a rarity in our nation! Take science in general. Between liberals, moderates and conservatives; which of these groups of people are often at odds with anything in science? Conservatives. Usually not because of there not being enough information or evidence; but often, because there is so much they can not 'wrap their heads' around it. Many of those discussions on the Theory of Climate Change come to mind. They would state the theory of Climate Change is wrong even though the Internet, their computer/smartphone operates on the same scientific knowledge used to understand the issues with the climate of the planet. Because if the knowledge of Climate Change was incorrect, then the internet nor their computer/smartphone should be able to operate right now. You just do not like the notion that science has observed the politically conservative mind and found it rather simple in operation. That metaphorically its a top-of-the-line gaming rig that plays only Pong. Might be because liberals and moderates go to college and have a better worldly view on things then conservatives whom opt out (that 'liberal education stuff never solved nothing, right?'). What motivates a liberal? Knowledge and freedom. For a moderate? The ability to be versatile. For conservatives its much more 'animistic': fear. That's right, push fear onto a conservative's mind and they'll do whatever you want. FOX 'news' understands the politically conservative individual. As does most people in marketing. How do they know this? Science! While you think I'm attacking you bounty, I really am not. Simply as curious to the phenomenon as anyone else.

Phydeaux -> RE: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 11:47:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 skeptical that youre asking from a genuinely curious perspective, as opposed to taking an idiotic swipe at conservatives, but before I even go there and shoot it to flames, or anyone else does for that matter vile critter parts.... notice its from a blog?? so just from that perspective alone, cant be true right?? remember that the next time you give anyone grief for posting material from a blogger? Actually, the blog is taking the understanding from a number of studies about the same general concept and seeing how they fit together if at all. I'm sure there is a study right now, handling the concepts this blogger is stating right now. The studies do point out several observations that seem consistent with politically conservative individuals from my experience. They are often uneducated, quick to anger, low self control, very arrogant, not able to handle complex discussions, and smell bad. There are some politically conservative individuals whom are the exception, but they are unfortunately a rarity in our nation! Take science in general. Between liberals, moderates and conservatives; which of these groups of people are often at odds with anything in science? Conservatives. Usually not because of there not being enough information or evidence; but often, because there is so much they can not 'wrap their heads' around it. Many of those discussions on the Theory of Climate Change come to mind. They would state the theory of Climate Change is wrong even though the Internet, their computer/smartphone operates on the same scientific knowledge used to understand the issues with the climate of the planet. Because if the knowledge of Climate Change was incorrect, then the internet nor their computer/smartphone should be able to operate right now. You just do not like the notion that science has observed the politically conservative mind and found it rather simple in operation. That metaphorically its a top-of-the-line gaming rig that plays only Pong. Might be because liberals and moderates go to college and have a better worldly view on things then conservatives whom opt out (that 'liberal education stuff never solved nothing, right?'). What motivates a liberal? Knowledge and freedom. For a moderate? The ability to be versatile. For conservatives its much more 'animistic': fear. That's right, push fear onto a conservative's mind and they'll do whatever you want. FOX 'news' understands the politically conservative individual. As does most people in marketing. How do they know this? Science! While you think I'm attacking you bounty, I really am not. Simply as curious to the phenomenon as anyone else. Oh where to start. While Kirata's post really was the definitive answer (Republicans show a marked ADVANTAGE in intelligence) since it seems to have been roundly ignored so I'll redirect there. But to answer the original question: quote: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? No more so than liberalism is associated with profligacy, spinelessness, malevolence, masochism, elitism, fantasy, anarchy, idealism, softness, irresponsibility and sanctimoniousness. Jonathan Reider 1970, 1972, 1975 et.al. It is no accident that the left has a tyrannical bent - well exhibited by the liberal posters here. Quoting Chait here: "If you maintain equal political rights for the oppressive capitalists and their proletarian victims, this will simply keep in place society’s unequal power relations. Why respect the rights of the class whose power you’re trying to smash? And so, according to Marxist thinking, your political rights depend entirely on what class you belong to. The modern far left has borrowed the Marxist critique of liberalism and substituted race and gender identities for economic ones." These forums are perfect examples. Virtually everytime an adhominem attack is made, it originates from the left. Failing to follow social norms -such as refusing to acknowlege the credibility of sources you don't agree with - the left has a virtual monopoly; ignoring questions you can't defeat; acknologing your opponent has a point. Now I predict that this will ignite a firestorm where people make ad mominem attacks against me - all the while failing to acknowledge the point of either Chait or Reider.

mnottertail -> RE: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 11:54:55 AM)
all attacks against 'leftists' come from nutsuckers, and they slash wide paths with their first posting of a thread and there nutsuckering slobbering blogs that do not contain fact or reason, just spewed asswipe, which is no more than you can expect from mentally deficient nutsuckers. Their entire nutsuckerism is not ideas or observations, just attacks, and hallucinations.

Lucylastic -> RE: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 12:37:04 PM)
edited for unbelievable bollocks your own quote.... quote: refusing to acknowlege the credibility of sources you don't agree with You are doing just the same. pot calling kettle grimy arse.

Phydeaux -> RE: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 1:08:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic edited for unbelievable bollocks your own quote.... quote: refusing to acknowlege the credibility of sources you don't agree with You are doing just the same. pot calling kettle grimy arse. Thereby proving my assertion that liberals - you, mnottertail would not discuss a single point about the points I quoted raised by Chait and Reiter, and instead make personal attacks. Do you understand that personal attacks really don't answer a logical argument? As for the sum of your post, accusing me of refusing to acknowledge the credibility of sources I don't agree with - can you quote me? Preferably in this thread. I generally refute posts with counter posts. But generally I don't refuse to discuss a point just because its brought up in a liberal rag such as mother jones, huffpo, or the new york times. As opposed to the liberal cadre here, whom I can quote time and time again dismissing sources such as breitbart, WND., drudge - simply because they don't agree with the source.

mnottertail -> RE: Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand? (1/4/2016 1:11:24 PM)
there isnt much to say about Chait. I think we should wipe the terrorists out with the army. What is there to explore there? We agree. Jonathan Reider's quote is a little out of context, it is the nutsuckers constant ad hominem against 'leftists'. so.......... A nutsucker says something, and because a liberal points it out, does that make it somewhat less nutsuckerish? I dont think so.

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