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teentie -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 3:01:27 AM)
I wonder why americans need guns. what do they say when normal people get shot, sorry, but I can carry a gun. should be ashamed .glad we do not have the problem here.

itsSIRtou -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 3:09:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Honestly, nothing obama will do now will matter a hill of beans legally. This is for domestic consumption and to djinn up support by the democratic base. If you want gun control.. vote democrat! It really doesn't matter how lawful his program is. In fact, I suspect the reason the mulled it so long was there were flagrantly unconstitutional options presented, and they had to do the focus testing to find out if this cost them more support or gained it. All they have to do is to be able to frustrate the resulting inquiries for a year, and they figure it will be worth it. Puts clinton in an advantageous spot to win the presidency. Given that they could draw out FOIA requests for three years, and not pay a political price, seems like the calculus is obvious. Vote for us - we implemented gun control. Doesn't really matter how illegal or immoral it was, does it. I mean you are talking about a president who appointed people illegally; who set up a DREAM program after making more than 32 speaches that to do so was illegal; whose "prosecutorial discretion" has lost in court; who defied a judges order to stop issuing work permits; who has stonewalled 212 FOIA requests; who dropped charges against black panthers who had a conviction pending for voter intimidation, and who lied to the American public about the cause of the Benghazi attack. Oh - and who told the American people "if you like your insurance you can keep it" while publishing documents that said between 60-80% would lose their coverage. Whats one more flagrantly illegal act? blah blah blah So which act that I indicated do you think didn't occur? why are you asking Me what you don't understand exactly? The GOP IS inept. and none of the "acts" are illegal. Thanks for making My point with your lack of an answer to the quote you didn't print because its more truthful than your "flagrantly illegal acts" silliness.

itsSIRtou -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 3:35:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: teentie I wonder why americans need guns. what do they say when normal people get shot, sorry, but I can carry a gun. should be ashamed .glad we do not have the problem here. In My Opinion, its because those Americans have a GOD Complex, Even though the well documented odds of them accidentally shooting themselves, shooting another family member, shooting a friend, (like our last GOP Vice-President did.) ....is greater than the gun owner ever using it for their own protection, or even more far-fetched protecting others in a public setting, they still harbor the fantasy that they could.

BamaD -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 3:38:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 This gotta be the biggest news now! The end of his Presidential leadership is near. And I see that his gonna exit with a spectacular upheave, by being the first President that go head on against the 2nd Amendment. I live in a gun-free country, so it's hard for me to understand why people want guns, except, because precisely of the distrust and incompetency of government to protect innocent people from evil gun owners, so everyone feels the strong need to be responsible for their own safety, thus the guns. I guess that is understandable if one has no faith in their law enforcement. I've read alot of debates of what the 2nd Amendment means, and there seems to be many different point of views about the interpretation of what it means. Those against gun control says it's going against the 2nd Amendment. But if Obama's plan legally goes through, then perhaps his interpretation of how the 2nd Amendment can be applied will be the more legally standing one? Obama's basic position is that if Congress doesn't pass the laws he wants he will pass them. That is extra-Constitutional. Then bamad,... every president has done things extra-Constitutional. If u look throughout history, every president has issued numerous Executive orders, mostly small things, its just this president is tired of the gun lobby buying their way into log-jamming the congress while more people die from gun violence by people who OVIOUSLY should NOT be able to easily buy a gun. be honest bamad, ur group doesn't really care about anything other than the unrestricted buying of handguns, assault weapons, - anything. WHY? one word...... profits. beyond the guns themselves, bought legally or not, the ammo makers and dealers are making a killing every round shot, - it doesn't matter if its a paper, squirrel or a human being the round hits, they make money. Their Stockholders make money, the gun lobby they pay makes sure that cash flow continues. another day, another death, another dollar. Wrong. While all presidents issue executive orders they do not write laws. This is what Obama wants to do, rule via executive order. Your assumption that all opposiyion to gun control is based on greed it absurd.

BamaD -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 3:49:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub He can...and will... and Clinton will carry them on for four more. Butch I doubt Clinton is a shoe in like you seem to think. Even so, I believe there are laws that require people who sell crap loads of guns and especially the ones who set up tables at gun shows to have FFL's and do background checks. It's not widespread but I'm aware that there are some who deal in used guns, most of them from private sellers, and resell them from rented tables at gun shows at the same time skirting the license and background check requirements. Could this be one of those laws that we currently don't enforce ? Will Obama make hay out of it when it's something that should have been enforced all along ? Private and less frequent gun sales or gifting requiring background checks is not codified into law, would be extremely difficult to enforce.and would also require an act of congress. I doubt this round of executive orders will do a whole lot more than the last round. From what I have seen it is possible that this is much to do about nothing. Allegedly he will require dealers to do backfround checks at gun shows, the law already requiers this. Allegedly he will require dealers to do background checks regardless of where they are when they make the sale, the law already requirs this. Allegedly he will have ATF hire 230 people to expedite background checks, the reason they haven't done that is a lack of funding, so where is he going to get the funding. And, allegedly he wants to redefine what a dealer is which, again allegedly, ATF has told him he can't legally do. So yes to a certain extent the is an attempt by him to take credit for doing things that are already required. It is also an attempt to sneak in making everyone a dealer under the law. It is, regardless of intent or effect, an attempt to write law unconstitutionally.

itsSIRtou -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 4:09:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 This gotta be the biggest news now! The end of his Presidential leadership is near. And I see that his gonna exit with a spectacular upheave, by being the first President that go head on against the 2nd Amendment. I live in a gun-free country, so it's hard for me to understand why people want guns, except, because precisely of the distrust and incompetency of government to protect innocent people from evil gun owners, so everyone feels the strong need to be responsible for their own safety, thus the guns. I guess that is understandable if one has no faith in their law enforcement. I've read alot of debates of what the 2nd Amendment means, and there seems to be many different point of views about the interpretation of what it means. Those against gun control says it's going against the 2nd Amendment. But if Obama's plan legally goes through, then perhaps his interpretation of how the 2nd Amendment can be applied will be the more legally standing one? Obama's basic position is that if Congress doesn't pass the laws he wants he will pass them. That is extra-Constitutional. Then bamad,... every president has done things extra-Constitutional. If u look throughout history, every president has issued numerous Executive orders, mostly small things, its just this president is tired of the gun lobby buying their way into log-jamming the congress while more people die from gun violence by people who OVIOUSLY should NOT be able to easily buy a gun. be honest bamad, ur group doesn't really care about anything other than the unrestricted buying of handguns, assault weapons, - anything. WHY? one word...... profits. beyond the guns themselves, bought legally or not, the ammo makers and dealers are making a killing every round shot, - it doesn't matter if its a paper, squirrel or a human being the round hits, they make money. Their Stockholders make money, the gun lobby they pay makes sure that cash flow continues. another day, another death, another dollar. Wrong. While all presidents issue executive orders they do not write laws. This is what Obama wants to do, rule via executive order. Your assumption that all opposiyion to gun control is based on greed it absurd. Oh I never said all of it..... but you cannot deny the money trail is millions if not billions deep in the campaigns of the GOP, and any other politician they can buy with it. absurd is an understatement if you think for one millisecond that if the NRA and its big dollar lobby, stepped out of the way that reasonable gun control could be worked out & could bring the USA the peace among its citizens it needs. An executive order is an executive order, no matter who gives it or why, its still not a law. but the fact is if that IS his only way to get anything done on the subject, then the shame is on the GOP for NOT doing Anything but brown nose the NRA. (Not that shame is a thing any GOP care about right now anyway.) The GOP is sold out to the NRA, and when the next mass shooting happens, they will just stand there with their bottom lip poked out saying how sad that it happened and take that next check from the gun lobby.

BamaD -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 4:18:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou quote: ORIGINAL: teentie I wonder why americans need guns. what do they say when normal people get shot, sorry, but I can carry a gun. should be ashamed .glad we do not have the problem here. In My Opinion, its because those Americans have a GOD Complex, Even though the well documented odds of them accidentally shooting themselves, shooting another family member, shooting a friend, (like our last GOP Vice-President did.) ....is greater than the gun owner ever using it for their own protection, or even more far-fetched protecting others in a public setting, they still harbor the fantasy that they could. Bloomberg, 500,000 legitimate defensive uses of firearms per year, studies by none gun grabers put the number much higher.

KenDckey -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 4:30:28 AM)
Why aren't we allowed to see this supposed EO. It isn't written down anywhere. Not even on the white house web site. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions as of 0530 mountain standard time 1/5/16. Is he afraid to allow the people to read it? Because he said it doesn't make it a law.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 7:08:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey Why aren't we allowed to see this supposed EO. It isn't written down anywhere. Not even on the white house web site. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions as of 0530 mountain standard time 1/5/16. Is he afraid to allow the people to read it? Because he said it doesn't make it a law. Maybe these scumbags have now gotten to the point where they're going to require us to obey "secret laws"? Michael

mnottertail -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 7:31:43 AM)
nothing flagrantly illegal, and most of it hallucinatory in its spin. I doubt he will get the executive order actually thru, but the gun show loophole is a cup of water out of the ocean.

Greta75 -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 7:38:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: teentie I wonder why americans need guns. what do they say when normal people get shot, sorry, but I can carry a gun. should be ashamed .glad we do not have the problem here. This can be complicated in countries who are happy and doing fine without guns. But the US believes in their right to protect themselves against the government, INCASE the government turns evil and turns on them and attacks them. They need to have the arms to protect themselves. It's written in their constitution, I think to prevent anything like dictatorship ever happening. It's protection for democracy too. So the power will always be in the people's hands. I am always on the fence about this issue, because, fact is, many countries do have blind faith in their government, and assume, such a scenario is laughable. But if it did happen, some people will be happy to have guns, if my government turn tyrannical, I would probably wish I have a gun. But the possibility of that happening, just feels so slim that I feel safe enough to just only give police and military the right to guns and forego my right to have a gun. It could be complacency.

thompsonx -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 7:55:16 AM)
Honestly, nothing obama will do now will matter a hill of beans legally. Do you just open your mouth to change feet?

mnottertail -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 7:56:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey Why aren't we allowed to see this supposed EO. It isn't written down anywhere. Not even on the white house web site. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions as of 0530 mountain standard time 1/5/16. Is he afraid to allow the people to read it? Because he said it doesn't make it a law. Maybe these scumbags have now gotten to the point where they're going to require us to obey "secret laws"? Michael Feeble minded nutsuckers are in fine felch this morning.

thompsonx -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 8:00:26 AM)
It is also an attempt to sneak in making everyone a dealer under the law. Since we know about this how is it sneaking? Don't they teach english in alabama?

thompsonx -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 8:03:24 AM)
Maybe these scumbags have now gotten to the point where they're going to require us to obey "secret laws"? Do you mean like the ones in furgistan where "manner of walking" is a crime? Where bleeding on a cops uniform from wounds the cop inflicted on the "perp"is a crime?[8\|]

WickedsDesire -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 8:26:19 AM)
teentie (luck of the draw it was you I clicked on) whilst I agree with your point your pictures are all stolen and therefore your point is invalid - you certainly shouldn't be claiming the higher moral ground. So I will say it for whoever thee be, man masquerading as women...you are what you are - the reasons escape someone like me, truly....luck of my one click a thread really. There constitution, and archaic document, says they have the right to bear/bare arms....depends on how you read it really. And twere fun stuff to eradicate an indigenous population to the verge of very, verily so, extinction itself. And the right to go down to the local shop and purchase 10 cheese slices, a bazooka, and dreadnought - to play with in the bath, and wreak utter chaos, mayhem and carnage. Here is an interesting article Statistics behind 'routine' US gun violence greta75 those are fine words I've read alot of debates of what the 2nd Amendment means, and there seems to be many different point of views about the interpretation of what it means. It means the NRA wants cash, lots of it, and to run amok..is the gist methinks. But Obama what exactly is he doing about it - nothing at all Barack Obama takes action over US gun laws All sellers who operate online or at gun shows will be forced to conduct background checks on potential buyers. Republican presidential candidate Rand Paul said he would fight the executive actions "tooth and nail". And several of his Republican rivals said they would erase the measures "on day one" if they win the White House. Pees his pantaloons..both sides deadly serious (and that scares me truly) duel at dawn, and all that malarkey. Be under no illusion, all readers (watching NRA fkers), where gun laws are more lax, or its more easy to buy a Gatling gun, 50 calibre, doomsday device, bazooka, nuclear submarine to fondle in the bathtub, from your local grocery store - stating unto them i am not insane and these shiny buckles are rather tight, and people kill not guns I dearly beg to differ guns kill

kdsub -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 8:59:56 AM)
quote: But if Obama fail, then, it just means, the second amendment is as literally as it is, which is good to know. This has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment... this is not taking guns away or limiting their right to own. This is simply regulation of guns that has been done for many years with the approval of the courts... nothing new in the law... Opposition will only come from the crazies who will try to use it politically and this will fail, I believe it will anyway, because many Americans want stronger regulation of weapons. Butch

WickedsDesire -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 9:07:32 AM)
kdsub This has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment... this is not taking guns away or limiting their right to own This eve I am surprised, most pleasantly, at some Americans...live and learn and revalue eh wicked slippernote nope obama approach has nothing to do with the archaic second amendment..personally I think his words hollow and pointless i require hard action, cake, half a dozen wanton wenches to be getting on with

Kirata -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 9:22:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire whilst I agree with your point your pictures are all stolen and therefore your point is invalid... There constitution, and archaic document, says they have the right to bear/bare arms... And the right to go down to the local shop and purchase 10 cheese slices, a bazooka, and dreadnought - to play with in the bath, and wreak utter chaos, mayhem and carnage. It's always nice to see someone who wouldn't know a non sequitur if it fell on his head posting made up shit using English that would shame a 5-year old. K.

lovmuffin -> RE: Obama enforcing Gun Control (1/5/2016 10:44:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 This gotta be the biggest news now! The end of his Presidential leadership is near. And I see that his gonna exit with a spectacular upheave, by being the first President that go head on against the 2nd Amendment. I live in a gun-free country, so it's hard for me to understand why people want guns, except, because precisely of the distrust and incompetency of government to protect innocent people from evil gun owners, so everyone feels the strong need to be responsible for their own safety, thus the guns. I guess that is understandable if one has no faith in their law enforcement. I've read alot of debates of what the 2nd Amendment means, and there seems to be many different point of views about the interpretation of what it means. Those against gun control says it's going against the 2nd Amendment. But if Obama's plan legally goes through, then perhaps his interpretation of how the 2nd Amendment can be applied will be the more legally standing one? Obama's basic position is that if Congress doesn't pass the laws he wants he will pass them. That is extra-Constitutional. Then bamad,... every president has done things extra-Constitutional. If u look throughout history, every president has issued numerous Executive orders, mostly small things, its just this president is tired of the gun lobby buying their way into log-jamming the congress while more people die from gun violence by people who OVIOUSLY should NOT be able to easily buy a gun. be honest bamad, ur group doesn't really care about anything other than the unrestricted buying of handguns, assault weapons, - anything. WHY? one word...... profits. beyond the guns themselves, bought legally or not, the ammo makers and dealers are making a killing every round shot, - it doesn't matter if its a paper, squirrel or a human being the round hits, they make money. Their Stockholders make money, the gun lobby they pay makes sure that cash flow continues. another day, another death, another dollar. Wrong. While all presidents issue executive orders they do not write laws. This is what Obama wants to do, rule via executive order. Your assumption that all opposiyion to gun control is based on greed it absurd. Oh I never said all of it..... but you cannot deny the money trail is millions if not billions deep in the campaigns of the GOP, and any other politician they can buy with it. absurd is an understatement if you think for one millisecond that if the NRA and its big dollar lobby, stepped out of the way that reasonable gun control could be worked out & could bring the USA the peace among its citizens it needs. An executive order is an executive order, no matter who gives it or why, its still not a law. but the fact is if that IS his only way to get anything done on the subject, then the shame is on the GOP for NOT doing Anything but brown nose the NRA. (Not that shame is a thing any GOP care about right now anyway.) The GOP is sold out to the NRA, and when the next mass shooting happens, they will just stand there with their bottom lip poked out saying how sad that it happened and take that next check from the gun lobby. The money trail is millions and billions on any number of issues. The GOP and a number of Democrats are sold out to the people they represent not the NRA. You forget that when Clinton passed his silly assault weapon ban the democrats lost control of the house by a large margin as a result.

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