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respectmen -> Feminism Appeals to Female Losers... (1/5/2016 1:52:54 PM)
Feminism Appeals to Female Losers the Same Way that PUA Appeals to Male Losers http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminism-appeals-to-female-losers-the-same-way-that-puas-appeal-to-male-losers/ I don't consider myself an MRA and I don't usually bother reading "A Voice for Men" material but this one caught my attention. Great article! Just a snippet out of the article. quote: See, while the cultural message to the male who fails at getting laid is “work harder and improve yourself”, the cultural message to the female who fails at landing her dream guy, even if he’s way out of her league and she has nothing to offer him, is always “it’s everyone’s fault except yours”. Female privilege reeks with this one. I have observed this exact attitude in this site for many years. I don't think feminism created this double standard as it seems to be an ingrained cultural mindset. However, feminism does support the said mindset. People would be blaming patriarchy for this. If it is patriarchy, it's funny how feminists will be in bed with patriarchy when it's giving women a benefit while being against it when it's benefitting men. Male losers are ridiculed by nearly everyone which is usually backed by feminists. Female losers are usually coddled and told how bad men are which is usually backed by feminists.

mnottertail -> RE: Feminism Appeals to Female Losers... (1/5/2016 1:56:34 PM)
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Lucylastic -> RE: Feminism Appeals to Female Losers... (1/5/2016 2:12:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail If I gotta know PUA and MRA, I am just gonna stick with getting my dick sucked. thats a mans way:) bless you always honey:)

MistresskittyBBW -> RE: Feminism Appeals to Female Losers... (1/5/2016 2:27:42 PM)
God, MRAs are the worst. Feminism at its heart aims to dismantle patriarchy. Patriarchy does not mean all women are victims and all men are oppressors. Nor is it a literal physical thing. There are no 'patriarchs'. Patriarchy is a set of conscious and unconscious biases perpetuated by both men and women that have serious detrimental effects on both men and women. It's called 'patriarchy' because the biases combine to form a paternal view of men and an infantile view of women. Both of these perspectives come with myriad problems. Paternal figures are seen as weak or vulnerable if they display any significant range of emotion. Infantile figures are seen as less capable of deliberate, rational action. If you dislike feminists so much, why don't you do something to help men? Like go volunteer at a male homeless shelter, protest in support of young black men walking on the streets, advocate for equal rights for gay men, educate others in support of trans men. If you did care about any of that, you'd already be a feminist because you'd realise feminism is inclusive of men, too.

PeonForHer -> RE: Feminism Appeals to Female Losers... (1/5/2016 2:30:26 PM)
quote: Male losers are ridiculed by nearly everyone .... I don't think that's fair, respectmen. Even a few of the people using this forum have never ridiculed you despite having seen what you write.

Lucylastic -> RE: Feminism Appeals to Female Losers... (1/5/2016 2:37:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistresskittyBBW God, MRAs are the worst. If you dislike feminists so much, why don't you do something to help men? Like go volunteer at a male homeless shelter, protest in support of young black men walking on the streets, advocate for equal rights for gay men, educate others in support of trans men. If you did care about any of that, you'd already be a feminist because you'd realise feminism is inclusive of men, too. its been suggested, many many many times to him, but he thinks he shouldnt have to.

Phydeaux -> RE: Feminism Appeals to Female Losers... (1/5/2016 3:24:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistresskittyBBW God, MRAs are the worst. Feminism at its heart aims to dismantle patriarchy. true. quote: If you did care about any of that, you'd already be a feminist because you'd realise feminism is inclusive of men, too. a. Ridiculous. b. Even more ridiculous. You're saying that patriarchy is a system of male privilege, and yet somehow the rsults are better if a male gives that up. I sort of hesitate to ask - but based on what evidence, exactly. Evidence for any of that. For example, show me a state where feminism has reached its full bloom - and has reslted in a veritable paradise. Because frankly, as much as you wish to define feminism as the golden unicorn, my general experience of feminists have been shrill hags that can't get laid, and talk interminably instead of doing anything, yanno, useful.

respectmen -> RE: Feminism Appeals to Female Losers... (1/5/2016 3:30:34 PM)
MistresskittyBBW Patriarchy theory is sexist. Feminists pretty much blame anything on patriarchy that annoys them and/or place it to blame when it comes convenient such as when a male problem is raised. They do this in attempt to downplay the said issue. Blaming patriarchy is just as simplistic to blame the people who created guns instead of blaming the person who misused a gun. There is no proof that things would be any different or any better in a matriarchy and there is no proof that things would be any different or any better in a society that has neither patriarchy or matriarchy. Patriarchy theory is a straw man at it's best. Patriarchy is just simply used as a multipurpose scapegoat for all societies problems. It's just a lazy tactic of analyzing situations. quote: If you dislike feminists so much, why don't you do something to help men? Like go volunteer at a male homeless shelter, protest in support of young black men walking on the streets, advocate for equal rights for gay men, educate others in support of trans men. Blah blah blah, feminists say this same shit over and over when a male brings up a topic about gender issues that makes them feel uncomfortable. So they do this to attempt to throw off the said topic and shift the goal post. It's a cowardly way to run from what is making them feel uncomfortable. Not to mention, what are YOU doing to help men? It makes you a hypocrite to tell me this while you aren't doing what you are demanding me to do. Not to mention, we never see the likes of you asking feminists what are they doing about female issues, oh and MALE ISSUES. This standard is only placed on men complaining about male issues. Hypocrisy galore when it comes to feminism. Anyway, this is a forum. What are forums meant for again? Oh that's right, they are meant for discussion. How wrong of me to make discussions in a forum. Oh I get it, it's only wrong when the discussion is about male issues. Gotta larf. What makes people obligated to do what others tell them to do just for simply discussing something in a forum? So who wants to make this thread about the actual discussion instead of trying to make this thread about me?

respectmen -> RE: Feminism Appeals to Female Losers... (1/5/2016 3:35:08 PM)
quote: my general experience of feminists have been shrill hags that can't get laid, and talk interminably instead of doing anything, yanno, useful. They think taking women's studies classes is classified as "useful" instead of doing something that is truly useful. Something that many men do, like build things.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Feminism Appeals to Female Losers... (1/5/2016 3:50:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen quote: my general experience of feminists have been shrill hags that can't get laid, and talk interminably instead of doing anything, yanno, useful. They think taking women's studies classes is classified as "useful" instead of doing something that is truly useful. Something that many men do, like build things. Speaking of which, that thing you posted about the Canadian guy being targeted and you were so upset about, did you finally sign the online perdition and donate money to his defense fund, or are you leaving that to feminists like me, you know doing something useful instead of whinging about stuff. Btw I might not build my own house but I damned well build my own business... As for making this thread about you, you do whinge and whinge about things but never seem to do ANYTHING, the many men you mention just seem to be others?

LadyConstanze -> RE: Feminism Appeals to Female Losers... (1/5/2016 3:58:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen Feminism Appeals to Female Losers the Same Way that PUA Appeals to Male Losers http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminism-appeals-to-female-losers-the-same-way-that-puas-appeal-to-male-losers/ I don't consider myself an MRA and I don't usually bother reading "A Voice for Men" material but this one caught my attention. Great article! Just a snippet out of the article. quote: See, while the cultural message to the male who fails at getting laid is “work harder and improve yourself”, the cultural message to the female who fails at landing her dream guy, even if he’s way out of her league and she has nothing to offer him, is always “it’s everyone’s fault except yours”. Female privilege reeks with this one. I have observed this exact attitude in this site for many years. I don't think feminism created this double standard as it seems to be an ingrained cultural mindset. However, feminism does support the said mindset. People would be blaming patriarchy for this. If it is patriarchy, it's funny how feminists will be in bed with patriarchy when it's giving women a benefit while being against it when it's benefitting men. Male losers are ridiculed by nearly everyone which is usually backed by feminists. Female losers are usually coddled and told how bad men are which is usually backed by feminists. Oh please, the female privilege you claim means she does then get laid? How? If a guy doesn't find her attractive, he's not going to date or fuck her, no matter if she's born ugly or she's the equivalent of a whiny little male who thinks he ought to get laid, it just ain't happening for both of them. People telling you it's not your fault still won't get you laid, pity fucks don't happen all that often... The only difference between a female whiny loser and you (and that is a specific YOU, not a general one) is for the female I would recommend a Hitatchi, for you I recommend this [image]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UIxcUSJUSCw/S9QNMWawsmI/AAAAAAAADVo/m4G4yqXyZnA/s1600/love-ewe.jpg[/image]

Caius -> RE: Feminism Appeals to Female Losers... (1/5/2016 4:01:00 PM)
Good god, you people are not just feeding the troll, you're juicing him with Willow's wand. Expect similar results...

respectmen -> RE: Feminism Appeals to Female Losers... (1/5/2016 4:30:46 PM)
quote: Oh please, the female privilege you claim means she does then get laid? How? No, you need to stop jumping to such assumptions with things that I never said and never even came close to saying. You need to think more about my posts before jumping to such assumptions. I thought from all what's expressed, the privilege is clear. Society is empathetic to women who have trouble getting what they want out of men. On the other hand, men are losers if they can't get what they want out of women. Society with the push of feminism blames patriarchy/men for women's failures while it's simply the fault of the man if he fails.

stef -> RE: Feminism Appeals to Female Losers... (1/5/2016 5:23:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Male losers are ridiculed by nearly everyone .... I don't think that's fair, respectmen. Even a few of the people using this forum have never ridiculed you despite having seen what you write. Poor Little Nicky ridicules himself. The rest of us just point and laugh at him while feeling sorry for the poor parents whose basement he inhabits.

Caius -> RE: Feminism Appeals to Female Losers... (1/5/2016 5:29:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen quote: Oh please, the female privilege you claim means she does then get laid? How? No, you need to stop jumping to such assumptions with things that I never said and never even came close to saying. You need to think more about my posts before jumping to such assumptions. I thought from all what's expressed, the privilege is clear. Society is empathetic to women who have trouble getting what they want out of men. On the other hand, men are losers if they can't get what they want out of women. Society with the push of feminism blames patriarchy/men for women's failures while it's simply the fault of the man if he fails. Maybe if you tried to conceptualize personal relationships in terms other than "what you can get out of someone," your prospects for getting laid would improve enough that you wouldn't be so thoroughly frustrated that you come to a community forum for the purpose of having a public hissy fit about the fact that no woman wants to go near your junk, all while convincing yourself that your motive and accomplishment is to observe insightful social theory. Just a thought.

Lucylastic -> RE: Feminism Appeals to Female Losers... (1/5/2016 6:14:42 PM)
^^^ Caius nice post.

Greta75 -> RE: Feminism Appeals to Female Losers... (1/5/2016 6:18:03 PM)
quote: the cultural message to the female who fails at landing her dream guy, even if he’s way out of her league and she has nothing to offer him, is always “it’s everyone’s fault except yours”. What? I've never heard this double standard for women before, and I live in Asia. Usually if a woman cannot land a guy, she is asked to slim down some more (in our culture, skinny is attractive), put on make up, learn cooking, pick up skills that men would love in a woman, to increase her attraction. Never have I heard anybody ever said what you claim. And yes, if a man cannot land a woman, I say, get richer! He'll naturally have flocks. For the right reasons or not, does not matter. I mean, we are talking about "landing a woman" right? Not deep emotional connection. And a woman needs to get prettier, or either start being really good at something men will value.

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Feminism Appeals to Female Losers... (1/5/2016 6:33:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistresskittyBBW Feminism at its heart aims to dismantle patriarchy. Patriarchy does not mean all women are victims and all men are oppressors. Nor is it a literal physical thing. There are no 'patriarchs'. Patriarchy is a set of conscious and unconscious biases perpetuated by both men and women that have serious detrimental effects on both men and women. It's called 'patriarchy' because the biases combine to form a paternal view of men and an infantile view of women. Both of these perspectives come with myriad problems. Paternal figures are seen as weak or vulnerable if they display any significant range of emotion. Infantile figures are seen as less capable of deliberate, rational action. That is an inherent problem with Feminism (or Genderism for that matter). It treats a whole gender, as if each member of that gender suffers from the same problem, and the requires the same solution. Like it or not, men naturally are leaders/protectors/providers. Women, naturally want to be in a household, with a strong leader/protector/provider. (Yes I know, feminists deny this is nature, and blame it on the bias of the "patriarchy"). (And yes, I realize there are quite a few variations and exceptions) I think you attempt to ridicule the concept by using terms like "paternal" and "infantile". I certainly would not consider women who want a strong male leader in their life to be "infantile". Is this to say, there aren't women who are great leader/protectors/providers? Of course not! That's my main point. People are individuals. There are varying degrees of "maleness" and "femaleness" in all of us. quote: If you dislike feminists so much, why don't you do something to help men? Like go volunteer at a male homeless shelter, protest in support of young black men walking on the streets, advocate for equal rights for gay men, educate others in support of trans men. If you did care about any of that, you'd already be a feminist because you'd realise feminism is inclusive of men, too.[/b] NOTE: The suggestions for helping men are around helping men who are emasculated in some way. Albeit, ALL are great suggestions (however, I do not see what they have to do with hating feminists?) Here are a few more suggestions: Be an advocate for men's reproductive rights Be an advocate for men's parental rights

respectmen -> RE: Feminism Appeals to Female Losers... (1/5/2016 6:39:07 PM)
Caius quote: Maybe if you tried to conceptualize personal relationships in terms other than "what you can get out of someone," your prospects for getting laid would improve enough that you wouldn't be so thoroughly frustrated that you come to a community forum for the purpose of having a public hissy fit about the fact that no woman wants to go near your junk, all while convincing yourself that your motive and accomplishment is to observe insightful social theory. Just a thought. So when women have no luck with men, it doesn't mean at all that they can't get what they want out of men? Larfs The whole point to this discussion is that there is a double standard where a male is simply deemed as a loser and needs to change for not getting what he wants out of women, while when a woman can't get what she wants out of men, she's not deemed a loser and she is hardly or never told that its her fault and she needs to change....Such like the spoilt dommes on this site that get showered with offers and yet still remain dissatisfied in finding the right one. Maybe it's their expectations are not realistic when comparing it to the male population? Oh god forbid to place any blame on women. lolz No one is cracking a hissy fit about not getting laid. No one is complaining at all about not getting laid. What you are trying to do is use a tactic...the "you are only complaining because you can't get laid" tactic, to shift the goalpost and avoid the actual point to the discussion. When you decide to be mature and actually face up to the actual point of the discussion instead of trying to shame the male who raises the discussion, then we can make progress and expand the discussion.

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