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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/6/2016 9:29:52 PM

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The coerced confession from the kid reminds me of a similar coerced confession from Jessie Miskelley from the West Memphis Three.

If you haven't already seen it, the Paradise Lost series from HBO is another true crime documentary.

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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/6/2016 9:39:22 PM

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which story sounds more believable?

this:

quote:

Physical Evidence:

The basis of the conviction of Steven Avery rests primarily on a blood stain, next to the ignition, in Teresa’s RAV4. There was also transfer blood stains of Teresa’s blood found in her Toyota RAV4 that are consistent with bloody head hair brushing against a surface.
Other than Teresa’s blood in the Toyota Rav4 and on the bullet fragment, no blood or DNA from her was found anywhere else on the Avery property. Steven’s DNA, other than the blood stain, was not found in the RAV4.
A single bullet was found on the floor in Steven’s garage which was found in a single test to have Teresa’s DNA. How a bullet theoretically went through Teresa to land on the floor, without her otherwise leaving a single drop of blood or hair follicle, is a scenario the prosecution avoided trying to explain. No other DNA from Teresa was found in the garage whatsoever, despite the police claiming this was the murder site. This bullet was found approximately 6 months after the initial searches (in March).
Teresa’s RAV4 was found on the Avery property on November 5th, which was two days after Coburn had called into central to read in Teresa’s license plate and ask if it was a “99 Toyota,” which was information not supplied by the police in their description of the RAV4.
Bone fragments were found in a fire pit on the Avery property, which happened to match several small pelvic bone fragments found in a pit over 10 miles away. Although the majority of the bone fragments were found in the Avery fire pit, there were also bone fragments found in a “burn barrel” on the Avery property. This would also not explain the bloody hair stain.
The bone evidence means that we can only explain all of the evidence and assume Steven is the killer if we assume he burned the body in two separate locations and, after burning the body once in the off-site pit, he packed all of the bones back together and burned them in his bonfire at around 8:45PM. This series of events is inconsistent with the Brendan Dassey timeline used by investigators, which have Brendan describing seeing Teresa’s “toes” in the fire when he came over around 9PM. This would thus require Steven to burn just the pelvis of what Brendan described as an “uncut” human body across town, and then transport the remainder of the body to his property for the rest of the burning. If the body was burned entirely in Steven’s burn pit, this does not explain the pelvic bones or the fact that burned bones were also found in a barrel on the property.

or this:

quote:

A juror in Steven Avery’s case recently reached out to you and said that he or she believed Steven was innocent and that the jurors reached a sort of compromise, acquitting Steven of one crime but finding him guilty of another, in the hopes that an appeals court would set him free. Were you surprised by that information?

Ricciardi: This particular juror told us that they believe law enforcement tried to frame Steven Avery because of the $36 million lawsuit against law enforcement that Steven had pending when he was charged for Teresa Halbach’s murder. And this juror thought that Steven was innocent and should get a new trial.

We naturally asked, if you believed that why did you vote the way you did? And this person told us that it was a decision about self-preservation. The person lived in the county, feared for their safety, and also said, “If they could frame Steven Avery, they could do it to me.”

Which had to be on every jurors mind!

now when the gestapo was interrogating the 16yo kid, he told the kid the HE KNEW Theresa was shot, then supposedly used the kids admission to find more evidence later despite knowing she was shot in advance of forensic examination.

Dassey 2006 interrogation transcript

Reading a 16yo his rights without his parents or an attorney present???? For real???? The prediction of the gunshot to the head by the cop before dassey stated it is about 1/2 way down the page.

then we have this:

2014WI31NOTICE
STATE OF WISCONSIN
:
IN SUPREME COURT
In the Matter of Disciplinary Proceedings
Against Kenneth R. Kratz, Attorney at Law:
Office of Lawyer Regulation,
Complainant,
v.
Kenneth R. Kratz,
Respondent.
FILED JUN 6, 2014
Diane M. Fremgen
Clerk of Supreme Court

ATTORNEY disciplinary proceeding.
Attorney's license suspended.

1
PER CURIAM.
We review the report of the referee, Reserve Judge Robert E. Kinney, recommending the court suspend Attorney Kenneth R. Kratz's license to practice law for a period of four months. No appeal has been filed.

2
We approve and adopt the referee's findings of fact and conclusions of law. We conclude that the seriousness of Attorney Kratz's misconduct warrants a four month license suspension. We require that Attorney Kratz pay the full costs of the proceeding, which totaled $23,904.10 as of August 20,
2012.
https://www.wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/DisplayDocument.pdf?content=pdf&seqNo=113968

Teresa Halbach's phone record

Brendan Dassey Trial Transcripts

all their alleged information came from the 65IQ 16yo who admitted to making it all up and is completely unreliable which supposedly lead to the discovery of the evidence like the 22 caliber howitzer round that allegedly entered AND exited a human skull to slide under the air compressor with no blood spatter found anywhere in the garage where they say she was shot despite the kid said she was shot outside, and of course the dna evidence claimed to be on the bullet was not only contaminated but rendered useless to a perform a retest.

purely magical

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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/6/2016 10:07:44 PM

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I'm sure everyone here would love it if the court simply PRESUMED every word out of our mouths were true rather then the necessity for us to PROVE every damn word we say while they have a get out of jail free card!!!!

D. A. Case No. 2005CA000607 Agency Case No. 05-0157-955

-vs-

Steven A. Avery 12932 Avery Road Two Rivers, Wl 54241
DOB: 07/09/1962 Sex/Race: M/W

Defendant,

Thomas Fassbender, Special Agent with the Wisconsin Department of Justice, Division of Criminal Investigations, being first duly sworn, states that:

Count 1: FIRST DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE
The above-named defendant on Monday, October 31, 2005, at 12932 Avery Road, Town of Gibson, Manitowoc County, Wisconsin, did cause the death of Teresa M, Halbach, with intent to kill that person, contrary to sec. 940.01 (1)(a), 939.50(3)(a) Wis, Stats., a Class A Felony, and upon conviction shall be sentenced to imprisonment for life.

Count 2: MUTILATING A CORPSE
The above-named defendant between Monday, October 31, 2005, and Friday, November 4, 2005, at 12932 Avery Road, Town of Gibson, Manitowoc County, Wisconsin, did mutilate, disfigure or dismember a corpse with the intent to conceal a crime, contrary to sec. 940.11(1), 939.50(3)(f) Wis. Stats., a Class F Felony, and upon conviction may be fined not more than Twenty Five Thousand Dollars ($25,000), or imprisoned not more than twelve (12) years and six (6) months, or both.

PROBABLE CAUSE:
Complainant states that he is a special agent with the Wisconsin Department of Justice, Division of Criminal Investigations, and bases this complaint upon the reports and investigations of Deputy Bill Tyson and Deputy Dan Kucharski, CpI. Leslie Lemieux of the Calumet County Sheriffs Department, as well as statements of witnesses Ken Bennett, Leslie Eisenberg, Dr. Donald Simley, Sherry Culhane, Karen Halbach, Steve Harrington and statements of defendant Steven A. Avery. The statements of Deputy Tyson, Deputy Kucharski, and CpI. Lemieux are presumed to be truthful and reliable as made by sworn law enforcement officials; the statements of witnesses Ken Bennett, Leslie Eisenberg, Dr. Donald Simley, Sherry Culhane, Karen Halbach, and Steve Harrington are presumed truthful and reliable as citizen informants; and the statements of defendant Steven A. Avery, are presumed truthful and reliable as they were made against his penal interests.
Complainant js informed that on November 3, 2005, Karen Halbach contacted the Calumet County Sheriffs Department. Halbach stated that her daughter, Teresa Marie Halbach, DOB: 03/22/1980, had not been seen or heard from since Monday, October 31, 2005, Halbach sajd it was unusual for Teresa not to have had personal or telephone contact with her family or friends for that length of time. Halbach stated that her daughter was driving a 1999 Toyota Rav 4, dark blue in color, bearing Wisconsin license plate #SWH582. Complainant is informed that Corporal Leslie Lemieux of the Calumet County Sheriffs Department obtained Wisconsin Department of Transportation records for Wisconsin license plate #SWH582. The records outlined that the vehicle with Wisconsin license plate #SWH582 is owned by Teresa M. Halbach, and the VIN for said vehicle is JT3HP10V5X7113044.

Complainant is informed that on November 5, 2005, officers received information from volunteer searchers that they had located a vehicle matching the description of the vehicle owned by Teresa Halbach at Avery Auto Salvage located on Avery Road in the Town of Gibson, County of Manitowoc, Wisconsin, Volunteer searchers had received verbal consent to search Avery Auto Salvage yard by Earl Avery. Law enforcement was provided with a partial VIN number and detailed description of the Rav 4 located at Avery Auto Salvage, which was consistent with that belonging to Teresa M. Halbach. During a visual observation of the vehicle, law enforcement officials noted that there were tree branches covering the vehicle and also vehicle parts placed alongside of the vehicle which looked as though someone had attempted to conceal the vehicle.

On November 5, 2005 a search warrant was obtained and executed for Avery Auto Salvage, which included the residences, outbuildings, vehicles and property. During the execution of the search warrant, Teresa Halbach's 1999 Toyota Rav 4, VIN #JT3HP10V5X7113044, was found partially concealed. The vehicle was subsequently seized, secured in an enclosed trailer and transported to the Wisconsin Crime Laboratory for subsequent search and analysis. On November 6, 2005, a preliminary report was received from the Wisconsin State Crime Lab indicating a presumptive positive finding of human blood located within the interior of Teresa Halbach’s vehicle. Steven Harrington of the State of Wisconsin Crime Laboratory confirmed that technicians had located the presumptive human blood in the rear cargo portion of the vehicle as well as the ignition area of the vehicle.
Complainant is informed that during a search of the residence of Steven A. Avery, law enforcement also identified a dried red substance which appeared to be blood on the bathroom floor in front of the washer and dryer and also located items of restraints within Steven Avery's residence, including handcuffs and leg irons. Complainant is informed that on November 6, 2005, Deputy Kucharski continued the search of the defendant’s bedroom located at 12932 Avery Road, Town of Gibson, Manitowoc County, Wisconsin, where officers located two firearms, identified as a .22 caliber semi-automatic rifle and a .50 caliber black powder muzzleloader. Deputy Kucharski noted that there was masking tape attached to the muzzleloader with the name “Steve" written on it. On November 5, 2005, Deputy Tyson located a desk in the same room, which contained numerous magazines addressed to Steven A. Avery, Sr. at 12932 Avery Road. Also on November 6, 2005, officers carried out a search of a detached garage next to the Steven Avery residence located at 12932 Avery Road, Town of Gibson, Manitowoc County, Wisconsin. Officers located approximately eleven spent ,22 caliber long rifle shell casings on the floor of the garage.

Complainant is informed that on November 7, 2005, Deputy Dan Kucharski continued the search of the defendant's bedroom located at 12932 Avery Road, Town of Gibson, Manitowoc County, Wisconsin. Deputy Kucharski located a Toyota ignition key adjacent to furniture found within the bedroom of the defendant, Steven Avery, Complainant is informed that the key located in the bedroom of Steven Avery's residence was successfully used in the ignition of the Toyota Rav 4 owned by Teresa M. Halbach; the key successfully turned the ignition of the Halbach vehicle.

Complainant is informed that on November 8, 2005, while continuing to execute the search warrant of the Avery Auto Salvage property located on Avery Road in the Town of Gibson, Manitowoc County, Wisconsin, law enforcement officials located two Wisconsin license plates, bearing Wisconsin license plate #$WH582, in a scrapped vehicle located on the north end of the salvage yard. The plates were crumpled. The recovered license plates were later identified as the license plates that belonged to the 1999 Toyota Rav 4 owned by Teresa M. Halbach.

Complainant is informed that on November 5, 2005, officers located a burn barrel near the residence of Steven Avery located at 12932 Avery Road, in the Town of Gibson, County of Manitowoc, Wisconsin, In that bum barrel, officers located burned clothing and a partially burned shovel.

Complainant is informed that on November 8, 2005, while continuing to execute the search warrant of the property located near the residence of Steven Avery located at 12932 Avery Road in the Town of Gibson, Manitowoc County, Wisconsin, officers located bone fragments and teeth in a fire pit area located approximately 20 yards south of a detached garage that is located next to the residence of Steven Avery. Officers also located remnants of steel belts of tires that appear to have been utilized as fire accelerants.

The bone fragments located were transported by Dorinda Freymiller, a special agent with the Division of Criminal Investigations, to Ken Bennett, a retired forensic anthropologist, who identified the bones as being human in nature. Bennett also determined that based on the characteristics of the ilium bone, the bones are from an adult human female.

On November 14, 2005, Leslie Eisenberg, Forensic Anthropologist, described the bone fragments as the obvious result of mutilation of a corpse. Eisenberg stated that almost every bone in the body or body area is present and has been recovered from the scene.

The tooth fragments that were located in the burn pit area were delivered to Dr. Donald Simley, who is board-certified in forensic odentoiogy and has been practicing forensic dentistry since 1981. Dr. Simley's analysis of the tooth fragments indicated the presence of human teeth.

On November 9, 2005, the defendant, Steven A. Avery, provided a statement to your complainant indicating that the victim, Teresa Halbach, was at his home on October 31, 2005 between 2:00 and 3:00 p.m. Steven Avery stated that he resides at 12932 Avery Road in the Town of Gibson, County of Manitowoc, Wisconsin. The defendant denies ever being in the victim's car and indicated that there was no way his blood could be in her car. Steven Avery admitted to having personal contact with Teresa Halbach that day in his driveway outside of his residence. The defendant stated that he paid Teresa Halbach $40 in cash and indicated that Halbach gave him an Auto Trader Magazine at that time.

On November 14, 2005, your complainant reviewed a report submitted by Sherry L. Culhane, DNA Analyst with the Wisconsin Department of Justice, Division of Law Enforcement Services, Wisconsin State Crime Laboratory. Culhane indicates that blood found in the interior portion of Teresa Halbach’s vehicle (including on the driver’s seat; the ignition area; the front passenger seat; and the rear passenger door entrance) match the DNA profile for the defendant, Steven A. Avery. Culhane also indicates that DNA material found on the Toyota ignition key, seized from the bedroom of Steven A. Avery, matched the DNA profile of the defendant, Steven A. Avery,

Culhane's report further indicates that blood found in the rear cargo area of the Toyota Rav4 was analyzed, and found to match DNA found upon a “Wild Cherry Pepsi" can recovered from the front console of the vehicle. Culhane indicates both DNA samples originate from the same female individual, which your complainant believes to be the victim, Teresa M. Halbach,

On November 15, 2005, in a preliminary report, Culhane indicated to your complainant that the partial DNA profile developed from the charred remains is consistent with the female DNA profile developed from the human blood stain in Teresa Halbach’s vehicle, as well as the "Wild Cherry Pepsi” can also located in Teresa Halbach’s vehicle.

Based on the foregoing, the complainant believes this complaint to be true and correct.

This day of November, 2005.

Complainant
Kenneth R, Kratz Calumet County District Attorney Manitowoc County Special Prosecutor State Bar No, 1013996

and of course even someone with a 20 IQ knows better than to consent to a search if they tried to hide the car on the property...SA maintains they wont find anything because he didnt do it.

What possible reason would avery have to go through all that work to load the body up in the vehicle when they had a skid steer only a few feet from the alleged crime?

What I have not been able to find out is what felony this guy committed to prevent him from possession of a fire arm? Anyone?

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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/6/2016 10:50:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

http://zap2it.com/2016/01/making-a-murderer-ken-kratz-9-reasons-steven-avery-guilty-netflix/

So from your post defending the prosecutor who was fined for inappropriate conduct and his license was suspended for 4 months and had to pay 23,000 plus.

http://zap2it.com/2016/01/making-a-murderer-ken-kratz-9-reasons-steven-avery-guilty-netflix/

In the email below — which is presented in its entirety — Kratz supplies nine examples of evidence not presented in “Making a Murderer” :

Examples for you to consider:

1. Avery’s past incident with a cat was not “goofing around”. He soaked his cat in gasoline or oil, and put it on a fire to watch it suffer.

Like you and everyone else here, avery admits to doing assinine things when he was a kid and felt bad about the cat incident.

2. Avery targeted Teresa. On Oct 31 (8:12 am) he called AutoTrader magazine and asked them to send “that same girl who was here last time.” On Oct 10, Teresa had been to the Avery property when Steve answered the door just wearing a towel. She said she would not go back because she was scared of him (obviously). Avery used a fake name and fake # (his sister’s) giving those to the AutoTrader receptionist, to trick Teresa into coming.

Targeted? Nice drama Mr Kratz. But that is a bold faced lie Mr Kratz since Halbrect not only said to the people she stopped at just prior to going over there that she was going to the averys next but its kind of hard not to know who owns the property of the address you are driving to if you had been there before.

3. Teresa’s phone, camera and PDA were found 20 ft from Avery’s door, burned in his barrel. Why did the documentary not tell the viewers the contents of her purse were in his burn barrel, just north of the front door of his trailer?

So the phone was burned in the fire barrel yet found by the front door of his trailer? You believe this? For real? Why?

4. While in prison, Avery told another inmate of his intent to build a “torture chamber” so he could rape, torture and kill young women when he was released. He even drew a diagram. Another inmate was told by Avery that the way to get rid of a body is to “burn it”…heat destroys DNA.

Wow look at all the people here who build dungeons and rape and torture each other as a matter of course. Now despite these are for th emost part irellevant to the case since NO BLOOD COULD BE FOUND. Historcally the first BLOODLESS GRUESOME MURDER. I will give you the benefit of a doubt however, do you have any signed affidavits or is kratz jaw flappin again?

5. The victim’s bones in the firepit were “intertwined” with the steel belts, left over from the car tires Avery threw on the fire to burn, as described by Dassey. That WAS where her bones were burned! Suggesting that some human bones found elsewhere (never identified as Teresa’s) were from this murder was NEVER established.

Maybe I missed something here but I thought the forensics examiner said in court that her pelvic bone was found in a pit on the other side of town.

6. Also found in the fire pit was Teresa’s tooth (ID’d through dental records), a rivet from the “Daisy Fuentes” jeans she was wearing that day, and the tools used by Avery to chop up her bones during the fire.

we already assume that the bones were found 6 adds nothing.

7. Phone records show 3 calls from Avery to Teresa’s cell phone on Oct 31. One at 2:24, and one at 2:35–both calls Avery uses the *67 feature so Teresa doesn’t know it him…both placed before she arrives. Then one last call at 4:35 pm, without the *67 feature. Avery first believes he can simply say she never showed up (his original defense), so tries to establish the alibi call after she’s already been there, hence the 4:35 call. She will never answer of course, so he doesn’t need the *67 feature for that last call.

Averys attorneys were not able to account for a gap, another repeat, she knew full well where she was going and expressed no apprehension to going there to the people she told that day.

8. Avery’s DNA (not blood) was on the victim’s hood latch (under her hood in her hidden SUV). The SUV was at the crime lab since 11/5…how did his DNA get under the hood if Avery never touched her car? Do the cops have a vial of Avery’s sweat to “plant” under the hood?

The examiners dna was on the bullet, does that mean that the examiner loaded the gun? They had plenty of time to drench the vehicle with dna.

So are we supposed to believe he changed the engine first?

9. Ballistics said the bullet found in the garage was fired by Avery’s rifle, which was in a police evidence locker since 11/6…if the cops planted the bullet, how did they get one fired from HIS gun? This rifle, hanging over Aver’s bed, is the source of the bullet found in the garage, with Teresa’s DNA on it. The bullet had to be fired BEFORE 11/5—did the cops borrow his gun, fire a bullet, recover the bullet before planting the SUV, then hang on to the bullet for 4 months in case they need to plant it 4 months later???

Mr Kratz you tard they confiscated it immediately they had several months to fire into any damn thing they wanted including the victim.

Here are a few questions and responses for you: https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/3y0950/how_do_we_know_the_bones_actually_belong_to/

if there is anything that kratz has proven to me is that he is a chronic liar who can lie easier and with a straighter face than telling the truth

You know the documentary does have actual footage of him.

So do you think 36 million dollars is a good motive to set someone up when its so easy to do when you are an authority that can simply tell the public to keep the fuck out or you will arrest them?

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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/6/2016 11:16:25 PM

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That he did 18 years for a crime he didnt commit, that it split up his family, wife and five babies, practically ruined his parents and other family, it would make any reasonable man crazy.

That is not excusing him, if he is guilty, by all means lock him up till he is no longer with us. Personally Ive seen the results of cases like his for less and more serious charges, for the victim and the supposed innocent until proven guilty perp. I dont like it, its been way to close to home and it annoys me.

The victim in the rape is a heart rending story.
She still cant trust that he didnt do it, and I dont blame her one bit,

Teresas family have and will go thru hell and back, they dont deserve it any more than the rape victim did.

Its a nasty horrible mess...and yes, injustice against the families of the victims and the innocent being framed happens everywhere.

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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/7/2016 10:26:41 AM

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It doesnt seem like too many people on here give a rats ass of the danger resulting from the fact that the gubblemint can and does so easily pull this shit off. Right in front of their incredulous blind eyes.

Its one thing to say the dirty bastards got away with it with full recognition and entirely another to incredulously brush it under the table under the guise of doubt, the latter lying to themselves and serving only to perpetuate the problem.

Its proven that the nutsucker mob set Avery up once just to get rid of him, yet ppl are still incredulous they would do it again when a slam dunk settlement of 36 million bucks are on line.

Like I said earlier that I know ppl who had issues like this happen to them, obviously not to the extent of murder or life in prison, however I do know one person who had a slam dunk multi million dollar case who dropped the case out of fear of gubblemint retaliation. At the time I thought he was out of his mind, now I agree.

We can see that the 3 branches of mob protection scheme is nothing more than a sham since the DOJ simply brushed everything off with the big FU.

They make laws to protect them from you but not you from them as this case clearly demonstrates and worse the cut of remedy. By cutting off remedy that gives your attorney one chance to get everything right as it is viewed as having been litigated despite often times the results of the litigation is simply ignored.

Like the blood.
How in the hell does a man with a 70 IQ manage to slit her throat, stab her all while tied to the bed and not have so much as one speck of blood on the scene? Worse with no forensic evidence ever placing her in the bed in the first place. Truly a modern day miracle?

That alone is an aqquital.

Then how does a 22 bullet that does not have enough energy to go all the way through a human head after hitting bone get out of her head much more under the compressor? Truly a modern day miracle?

How does he manage to shoot her in the garage when first hand accomplice testimony said he shot her outside as in outdoors as in not in the garage? Truly a modern day miracle?

Then pretending for the moment he did shoot her in the garage and pretending the bullet could exit the head, upon exiting the head there HAD TO BE spatter which because of all the clutter would have been impossible to clean up and there was NONE! Yet another truly a modern day miracle?

On the other hand the yard being so big, all the thugs had to do was drive the vehicle in when no one was home or during the night, park it and cover it up so the averys would not immediately see it. Have an officer pull her over shoot her then burn the body across town and dump the remains in their yard. Then despite the thug cop said he 'knew' she was shot, using gestapo interrogation tactics on a 16 yo kid with a 65 IQ who will say anything he thinks will make these thugs happy as a launch pad to discover the magic bullet and car key 4 MONTHS later after already searching the place on several occasions, planting the evidence as needed is a far more believable then a long series of miracles. finally watching lenk and the sheriff on the stand, both looked like they were in front of a firing squad.

This whole case screams fraud but people simply plug their ears and like dumb ass cows hope the wolves wont get them next (waco, ruby ridge, and 911 come to mind) rather than writing to congress and demanding something be done about this shit. For those who dont know this is SOP in the US from the county on up and it gets much worse as the stakes get higher.

How can we get a fair trial in a court no better than having al capone as judge, his gang for the judiciary and a jury that is ADMITTEDLY TERRORIZED and in fear of their lives from the very gubblemint sworn to protect them if they come in with a not guilty verdict?

Juror: "If it can happen to him it can happen to me and I live in this countty"

Well people you get what you pay for in this world, and you want runaway corruption, well you vote for it over and over simply by doing nothing and letting this shit slide.

Despite the fact the mob set him up once, proven, you all can rest easy by simply chaulking it up as another nutter 'conspiracy theory' right? Right?

I am sure we will all see many more miracles in our life times and continues to prove our ongoing requirement and need for guns!

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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/7/2016 12:20:59 PM

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Maybe they don't care because he had one of the best defense attorneys in Wisconsin and was still convicted. Get real.

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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/7/2016 12:29:00 PM

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aaah so you wont discuss the facts of the case, just your opinions..
thought so.

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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/7/2016 1:55:45 PM

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Sorry Lucy, I didn't know that this forum was facts only and personal opinions weren't allowed.

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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/7/2016 1:59:54 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Sorry Lucy, I didn't know that this forum was facts only and personal opinions weren't allowed.

I asked you specifically if you had information about the blood evidence, or lack of it, and if you could link me..
You ignored it and made a comment that had nothing to do with facts...
Therefore I made the comment.
Im allowed:)
same as you.

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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/7/2016 11:25:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Sorry Lucy, I didn't know that this forum was facts only and personal opinions weren't allowed.

I asked you specifically if you had information about the blood evidence, or lack of it, and if you could link me..
You ignored it and made a comment that had nothing to do with facts...

There is none, zippo nada, but it seems to me he said wisconsin knows avery is guilty.........'just becuz'

Well thats what its come to now days.

People in this country have damn good reason to be scared shitless.

Avery was reported in writing to the sheriffs dept being seen getting gas in town during the halback murder took place and they simply ignored it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SStFZWa8Dg4

They dont give a fuck, for them its all about spending money that you pay and they simply dont give a fuck because they know they can get away with it time and time again.

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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/8/2016 10:56:47 AM

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more on this, I just went over most of the dassey interrogation transcript and this is so fucking disturbing.

The 65 IQ kid tells them what he saw, then they tell the kid they already know what happened but need to hear it from him, that he is lying, and they already know so he should tell them the truth.

Because they did that the kid is stumbling through the interrogation trying to solve the case based on what they are saying is the truth instead of what actually went on.

In the transcript the conversation about the knife and the rope comes out of no where and its clear they had off record conversation.

More leading the witness, and the witness saying any damn thing they lead him to say.

This is some sick shit people and one thing I can assure you that its going on in your back yard from something as simple as traffic tickets to capital offenses and those entrusted with your protection let this kind of shit slide right by and the kid and avery were convicted by judicial 'slieght of hand' and avery cant even get another trial.

Welcome to "We The Just-Us Club", our way or we will fucking destroy you.

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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/8/2016 11:08:31 AM

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I make no opinion about this, except I don't think any of us here can say that he is innocent or guilty. All other things being equal, if he had good representation, I am inclined to trust the jury.

From what I see they were both set up. One thing we can see, we meaning those who actually take a little time to run through the the events is that the judicial system needs a complete overhaul based on the intent of the constitution which was to prevent atrocities like this from happening. Especially now that its laid right out on the table for everyone to see precisely how they do it by reviewing the available court tapes, interrogation, state prosecution strategy and so forth and so on.

The courts over the years made many changes they simply took it upon themselves to as a-ok to make and today cut many corners selling it as saving money. Well it saves money and give them a rubber stamp business profile that when threatened in any way will bring the the whole force of the gubacratists down on you to protect their revenue sources, putting people in jail is one of them if you are not aware.

There isnt one part of the constitution that has not been circumvented and buried at this point.

The question is how can you trust a jury that is in fear of retaliation from the state they live in?

Juror: "If it can happen to him it can happen to me and I live in this county"

Does this not tell us they think he is innocent and simply voted guilty to save their own asses?

Anyone?

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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/8/2016 8:21:04 PM

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Oh and this shit hole just keeps getting deeper and stinkier every time I look.

Not only are the large gaps and conversations that come from nowhere in the dassey interrogation, meaning that its highly edited, which is a big no no, but the list gets worse.

Dasseys defense attorney lee whats his name is therasa's halbachs cousin

Fox the judge on the cases moves up to the appellate court and gets to review his own case on the avery appeal.

That juror that was dismissed, the one who thought avery was not guilty left because her sister had a mysterious accident that nearly killed her.

One of the jurors was either the father or son of a manitowok police officer.

Manitowok was not supposed to be in involved at all in the case and they did the full investigation.

The insurance company refused to pay meaning the everyone involved would have had to pay out of their own pockets as a result of piercing the corporate viel and operating outside their legal jurisdiction.

The department of just us found no wrong doing.

and a guy and his wife placed steven avery at a service station at the same time the murder is alleged to take place sent in a written affidavit was never interviewed about it by the sheriffs dept and it was totally ignored.

Finally they have some kind of club they want people to join. YOu know you are either with us or against us kind of club.

Then after its all said and done despite the whole damn thing is a cnflict in interest and drowning in fraud, how you say?

Well by pinning a murder on avery those involved now pay nothing and the tax payer gets to foot a multi million dollar bill to prosecute him with paperwork that piles 5 ft high and 6 foot long.

Its not over yet and Manitowok might again be the focus of another multi million dollar suit all because some nutsucker official had a hardon and tried to get revenge against the averys.

Not only did avery get fucked so do we and worse the perps are still on the loose and the real cherry on top is they are in public office!

So hows that for the wheels of democracy?

But then we dont have anything better to spend our money on than corrupt officials do we?

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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/14/2016 10:19:16 AM

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gubblemint - tyranny deceit and terror that keeps on giving

“Pro-defense information that was left out of MAM” is fairly self-explanatory list and includes citations for all of its information, something that Pajiba list sort of skimmed over. Some of the information is iffy, like that Sherry Culhane, the DNA expert featured in the trial, had an error rate that “was shown to be the highest of her group although her analysis time was 70 percent of the other analysts,” while other tidbits read pretty strongly for the defense. Some of the strongest evidence is excerpted below, but for the whole rather extensive list and discussion, head on over to Reddit.

Dean Strang recalled that one of the investigators involved in finding DNA under the hood of Halbach’s car admitted to not changing gloves after handling evidence inside her car. [source]

Culhane testified that the amount of Avery’s DNA on Halbach’s hood latch (which could have been blood) was very small, similar to what you would get from rubbing Avery’s toothbrush on it, or from the unchanged gloves of the tech who handled blood evidence inside the car and then touched the hood. [source]

Blaine Dassey testified that his brother, Bobby, was asleep when he got home from school around 3:40 p.m., contradicting Bobby’s testimony that he got up at 2:30 p.m. and saw Teresa headed toward Steven’s trailer. [source]

Dean Strang stated they had a forensic anthropologist at trial who testified that an open fire wouldn’t have generated enough heat to burn a body in the way that those bones were destroyed, but it didn’t make the documentary. [source]

In between 3:30 and 4 p.m., a propane delivery truck driver (John Leurquin) saw a green SUV leaving the Avery property but couldn’t identify the driver or if it was a male or female. He delivers propane for Valders Co-op. Usually fuels up near Avery property at 3:30 for about half an hour. [source]

Teresa Halbach’s clothing: “Police said she was wearing blue jeans, a white button-down shirt and a summer jacket when she was last seen. Schmitz would indicate that Halbach was at his residence at approximately 1:30 p.m. Was there for approximately 10 minutes. Was wearing a white shirt, waist—waist-length jacket, and blue jeans. (Day 4 of Dassey Trial.) Zipperer would indicate that Halbach was at her residence between approximately 2 to 2:30 p.m. Was there for approximately 10 minutes. Was wearing a white top, waist-length jacket, and blue jeans. (Day 4 of Dassey Trial.) Bobby Dassey said when he saw Teresa Halbach photographing the van Avery was selling October 31, 2005, she was wearing a knee-length coat and slacks.” [source 1, 2]

William Newhouse, a gun expert with the Wisconsin State Crime Lab, said he couldn’t conclusively link a bullet found in a crack in Avery’s garage to a .22-caliber rifle seized from his bedroom. (He could only confirm that it was definitely a bullet from a .22 caliber rifle.) There was no DNA on the gun, no blood blow-back that you’d get from shooting someone at that close range and no blood mist/spatter around the garage that would also be present had someone been shot in the garage. [source]

On the “Kelly Files” interview, Dean Strang mentioned that there were little drops off deer blood all over Avery’s garage, essentially debunking the theory that they could have cleaned all the blood evidence out of the garage, since had they cleaned it that thoroughly, there wouldn’t have been any deer blood. [source]

On the leg irons/handcuffs from Avery’s house: They tested those for DNA and found a mixture of DNA from two or more people. They confirmed Avery to be a source of one of the matches. Most importantly, they excluded Teresa’s DNA as a match. [source]
Investigators never dusted the Toyota key (with Steven’s DNA) for fingerprints. [source]
http://stevenavery.org/steven-avery-is-innocent-here-is-proof

Just think if you piss someone off in gubblemint and they get the ass for you this could be you with your life destroyed spending it in prison on fraudulent charges.

Now thats freedom american style eh?

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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/15/2016 3:04:14 AM

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Apparently his ex gives up a very nasty side to him on cnn today, I havent seen it yet, but it on my list...too many things going on.

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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/16/2016 12:35:50 PM

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"hes not innocent" and "hes a monster" doesnt mean much. In another interview she says he was going to beat her up if she didnt give the crew who made the documentary a good version of him, yet there is no where in the documentary did I see them asking her to state her opinion of him.

So here we have a woman who is claimed to be stabbed in the stomach, and her throat slit while shackled to the bed and not so much as 'ANY' of halbacks dna in the house what so ever anywhere.

No DNA on the shackles
no DNA on the bed
no DNA anywhere in the house at all!
No DNA anywhere in the garage!

Then the only halbach DNA found:

Was from botched DNA testing on the alleged slug that according to the accepted standards and rules should have and in any other case would have been thrown out but was used anyway.

The car key that had to have halbacs DNA on it (her car is not a lab) ONLY had averys DNA no other dna what so ever. The only possible explanation is that is a key that was scrubbed clean then a single persons DNA was placed on it. Planting an obviously tainted key was a huge fuck up.

Unless that documentary left it out, The bullet casings were matched to averys gun but not the slug, hence even if the DNA testing on the slug was good we still are left with a disconnect since despite DNA can be said to be on the slug, and a casing can be said to have been fired from averys gun, the slug cannot be said to be fired through averys gun.

The casing by itself proves nothing, the slug with dna by itself proves nothing, only if the slug itself is shown to have been fired through the barrel of averys gun can we "prove beyond reasonable doubt" it came from averys gun. Stopping short of that connection is the same sleight of hand investigation deception we see so often used when gubblemint is suspected of being involved. Everyone screws a little something up, a long line of unfortunately failings and coincidences, cant recall, nothing can be retested resulting in a 'just believe us, we are gubblemint good guys' and we da gubblemint do not have to prove anything to the same standards as you the citizens, and that is all people are left with. Fear of gubblemint.

I did hear a theory that fits the crime perfectly however.

Using a .22 is a fav for mob and gov hits since it will not go all the way through and exit the persons skull leaving very little to clean up. They even have a nickname for it "2 in the hat".

Cop or someone dressed as a cop pulls halbach over on one of those boondocks roads, uses a light caliber .22, pops her once over the ear then again in the back of the skull. "2 in the hat." Throws her in the back of the rav 4, drives her over to the quarry burns the body to eliminate any means of extended forensics, drives the rav 4 through the field behind the property to the far end which is out of view and hidden from anyone in the house then parks it in the lot and throws some crap on it to make it appear that avery was trying to hide it. After the avery place is secured for investigation grab one of the burner barrels, shovel the bones in and transport them to the avery pit over looking and missing some of the bones leaving a few parts of the pelvic bones behind, and as can be heard in testimony they then use improper haphazard non-forensic methods to acquire and investigate the bones in the pit behind averys house again creating a situation that cannot be reconstructed for review by the defense. Thankfully the negligence is by the 'good guys' so its ok.

All this despite the fact averys had a car crusher and an incinerator on the property that would have made the car very difficult to find and impossible for forensics if it had been crushed and burned, and same with the body had it been thrown in the incinerator.

Last who had the greatest motive? Avery had no motive, they on the other hand had a 36 million dollar suit against all involved in their personal capacity since the insurance told them to fuck off as they were operating outside their legally authorized jurisdiction.

Finally placing a ringer in the jury.

Thats the story I heard and 'ALL' the pieces of the puzzle fit perfectly so I am not real quick to listen to and take the drunk who was dating him for the money seriously.

This case has everything. Motive, fraud, conspiracy, willful negligence, and several more that point squarely to the county and there are no laws protecting anyone, avery, you no one from criminal elements within the gubblemint. Worse the prosecution even threatened the defense that if they want to imply the good upstanding gubblemint could have been involved they "do so at their own peril". Moreover the defense's hands were tied in so far as how far they could go with proving the countys involvement and remain relevant to subject matter.

Then we get to the dassey issue and his imprisonment. The court should have taken notice that there was no blood on the bed, no halback dna anywhere in the house, that the states timeline is completely bunk not to mention the abusuve leading interrogation methods used on a 65IQ 16 yo and his own attorney instead of working for his defense worked to convict him, should have dismissed the damn thing and everything he said as bullshit.

Additionally the state [Kratz] in the avery trial, on one cheek, states avery is the 'ONE', yet convicts dassey as being an accomplice in the dassey trial.

I mean this garbage "we the people" are being fed is a bottomless pit, as this is only the tip of the iceburg of gross inconsistencies in the states case.

This went all the way to the wis AG, the appellate and supreme court all of whom found no wrong doing and finally a governor who shirks his duty and refuses to grant any pardons under any conditions in our land of the 'free'.

Its pretty bad when a guy out of England writes the gubernator and asks wtf is going on with your law in the US. Meantime the real killer is free to kill again.

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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/16/2016 1:51:55 PM

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I especially like this one:

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Colborn and Lenk were going to be sued for $US36 million in damages and the insurance company was not going to cover them, they had motive for this crime.

Then Ken Kratz the prosecutor tried Brendan Dassey on different evidence for the same crime that he also tried Steven Avery, but both trails had different circumstances for the same crime, one where Steven Avery was set up and one where Brendan Dassey was a simple kid who Lenk took advantage of and now they are both locked up for a crime they didn’t commit.

Ken Kratz is no longer the DA because he is a man who is a sleezebag towards women.

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We are from that area of Wisconsin and lived there until moving to Texas 8 years ago. Manitowoc Officials are corrupt and always have been. Ken Kratz needs to be put away for life along with his criminal posse.

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Your entire State needs an overhaul, starting with you. Be a man, not another crooked politician. The world is watching. Do the right thing.

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I grew up outside of Milwaukee WI. I've recently watched the documentary and it has seriously raised some red flags. I am not negating that he did or didn't do it. I just believe he deserves a fair trial. And Manitowac PD needs to be held responsible

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No one after watching this can be in any doubt that the USA Justice System is broken and no longer fit for purpose, its barbaric and what Steven andd his Nephew have had to endure is sickening, it really is within the Governors Remit to grant a Pardon, I hope with this and other onoine petitions he shall do just that, and perhaps Steven can celebrate with his elderly parents the Freedom we outside of the USA take for granted every single day. I for one am glad not to be Prisoner of the USA

https://www.change.org/p/scott-walker-free-steven-avery?source_location=petition_footer&algorithm=promoted&grid_position=1

and I bet they never dug into jfk, 911, waco, murrah and a long line of ongoing atrocities.

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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/17/2016 8:53:03 AM

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The coerced confession from the kid reminds me of a similar coerced confession from Jessie Miskelley from the West Memphis Three.

If you haven't already seen it, the Paradise Lost series from HBO is another true crime documentary.

the problem in america is that we have 60 million laws on the books and 59.999 million of them are created to protect or grant immunity to the gubblemint insuring they and their wrong doings are protected from the people who seek remedy.

This guy no longer has a remedy in the courts.

Where in the any constitution did we the people stipulate the courts have the authority to decide which cases they will or will not hear?

Its a sad day when we brag about being the land of the free and people from other countries have to point out the reality that we are slaves and not smart enough to see it.

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RE: “Making A Murderer”, Unbelieveablely Disturbin... - 1/17/2016 5:20:38 PM

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the problem in america is that we have 60 million laws on the books and 59.999 million of them are created to protect or grant immunity to the gubblemint insuring they and their wrong doings are protected from the people who seek remedy.

I agree that Avery and his nephew were set up. None of the "evidence" about building a dungeon and all that shit were ever presented to the jury. It is all heresay to justify the conviction after the fact.

But what I must point out, R.O., is that this travesty of justice occurred at the county level and was orchestrated by the sheriff and his men. The irony is that this was the level of government and law enforcement that you have championed for years on these Boards. You might want to rethink your long expressed praise for sheriffs and county governments.

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