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Phydeaux -> Latest news on Obama Care (1/10/2016 11:33:16 PM)

Gallup poll finds number of uninsured increased 4th quarter 2015, from 11.6% to 11.9%


The number of people getting insurance from their workplace continues its steady decline to 43.2%
The number of people paying for their own insurance is up 4%.



This compares to 64% at the time the ACA was passed. Virtually all coverage lost was lost from the small business market. Source: Rober woods johnson foundation.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/188045/uninsured-rate-fourth-quarter-2015.aspx?g_source=Healthcare&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles
http://www.rwjf.org/en/library/research/2013/04/state-level-trends-in-employer-sponsored-health-insurance.html?cq_ck=1365788547397




DominantWrestler -> RE: Latest news on Obama Care (1/11/2016 5:48:20 AM)

So uninsured rate down 6.2%, insurance from employers dropped from 44.2 to 43.2. Oh no! 1 percent drop in employer paid insurance. Imagine if Retardicans, I mean Republitards, I mean nutsuckers didn't remove all the consumer guarantees that protected people in Massachusetts. Then the south would be insured too! And would prevent price gouging! But that would mean bringing red states up to speed with first world countries (America is borderline no longer first world) and reverting back to socialized capitalism that America was built on. Instead lets emphasize the monetary runaway condition Republicans have used to cause two major economic crashes in a single decade. But oh no, 6% insurance gain with a 1% drop in employer insurance in two years, that means in 2102 no one will have employer based insurance because half a percent a year of loss is devastating, laugh my statistically and economically educated ass off.

Next time, don't use an article demonstrating the upsides of Obamacare if your a republican. Unless you are Stephen Colbert. Maybe after people realize obamacare didnt nuke America, maybe the right wing will learn that gay marriage lowers stds or that weed does not kill people, that crime rates in impoverished areas is a direct result of crime paying better than the minimum wage the republican boss at McDonald's pays. Or that planned parenthood does more than perform abortions, birth control is not the devil, and the supposed numerous costly abortions that is the ONLY service planned parenthood performs would cut down on welfare

I used to be Republican, but two decades of clear mistakes brings the Reagan era mistakes more to light and demonstrate the entire party has been eroded by sin, mostly greed, envy, ego, hate and xenophobia. How can the party created to free the slaves be so racist




Lucylastic -> RE: Latest news on Obama Care (1/11/2016 6:07:21 AM)

They voted to repeal the aca on the 62nd try... Obama vetoed it, and 11 million are now signed up...
Best news all week
HI DW welcome to the dungeon...




bounty44 -> RE: Latest news on Obama Care (1/11/2016 6:14:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler
How can the party created to free the slaves be so racist


its relatively easy to understand the charge once you know it exists because liberals can redefine the word (or any word for that matter) to mean whatever they want it to mean.






thompsonx -> RE: Latest news on Obama Care (1/11/2016 6:22:06 AM)

ORIGINAL: bounty44

its relatively easy to understand the charge once you know it exists because liberals can redefine the word (or any word for that matter) to mean whatever they want it to mean.



As usual you only open your mouth to change feet.[8|]




bounty44 -> RE: Latest news on Obama Care (1/11/2016 6:25:13 AM)

posted this on the obamacare thread I started last month, its worth posting again:

quote:

No matter how you slice the numbers, Obamacare premiums will rise significantly next year. The Obama administration estimates rates will rise 7.5 percent in 2016…

"Many more insurers lost money than made money in 2014"

This meant that in 2014, many insurers spent more paying out medical bills than members paid in premiums. Premera Blue Cross Blue Shield of Alaska lost $9 million covering just under 8,000 Obamacare enrollees that year. In Colorado, Rocky Mountain HMO found medical bills to be about 36 percent higher than premiums.

Now insurers are raising their rates to make sure premiums do cover claims. In some states, that means double-digit rate hikes.

There are other insurers who didn't have this problem, who priced correctly and turned a profit. But they're in the minority of those selling on the health law's new marketplaces.

"Many more insurers lost money than made money in 2014," says Larry Levitt, senior vice president for special initiatives at the Kaiser Family Foundation.

This year is a different story: For the first time, insurance plans have an entire year of data on their patients. They know that their patients are sicker than expected — and will soon learn whether Obamacare enrollees are willing to pay significantly higher premiums.

As Caroline Pearson, a senior vice president at the health consulting firm Avalere, puts it, "2016 is going to be a make-or-break year."


http://www.vox.com/2015/12/14/9910650/obamacare-premiums-2016

quote:

Consumers will see their Obamacare premiums skyrocket in 2016, as insurers raise prices to cover the mounting cost of regulations and to cover losses incurred by participating in the program.

An analysis of data from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation found that premiums for benchmark "silver plans" have risen by an average of 11.3 percent for 2016. A further breakdown reveals that consumers in 47 states saw their premiums rise, 23 states saw double-digit increases, and four states saw increases exceeding 30 percent. Alaska saw the highest increase, at 35.6 percent, and its average silver plan premiums will reach a staggering $643 in 2016.


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/map-see-which-states-have-the-highest-obamacare-rate-hikes/article/2578545

quote:

The Affordable Care Act is in a "death spiral" predicted by Republicans, Pennsylvania Sen. Pat Toomey said Sunday.

"If we look at what is happening right now, I think we’re witnessing the death spiral that many of us predicted," Toomey said on "The Cats Roundtable" on AM 970 in New York. "Especially given a hospital has to treat someone who shows up, and you can buy health insurance even if you already have an existing condition, these people are not in fact signing up and paying the premiums."

Only the older and sicker are participating, Toomey told host John Catsimatidis, and that drives up costs, causing younger, healthier people to drop out.

Toomey noted that "fully half of the healthcare co-ops around the country have already failed," and "The other half are probably going to fail next year."


http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/catsimatidis-toomey-obamacare-death/2015/12/13/id/705612/#ixzz3uoMrwv00

yeah, that all just sounds wonderful.

theres more, you can read the rest of the same here if you want:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4866945/tm.htm#

neverminding what I said some time later in the thread: this is ultimately a battle between freedom from government intrusion and more collectivism.

and you know what comrades---being FOR freedom from government intrusion doesn't make people who oppose it obamacare, or more government, racist, sexist, xenophobic, or whatever. if can you get that through your liberal brains then the conversations take place on a more appropriate level.




DominantWrestler -> RE: Latest news on Obama Care (1/11/2016 6:27:30 AM)

Yes, the Republican Party originated to free slaves and give equal footing to people which was liberal though republican. Republicans being liberal is a strange concept now, but it is the origins of the party. The original republicans would be fighting for equality of marriage, support woman's rights (as they did during the 20s) and race based equality. They were also against the misuse of power by the powerful.

Thank you Lucy. I've appreciated your contributions to this forum for a while, but until recently I have mostly avoided the forums. Keep up the good fight




joether -> RE: Latest news on Obama Care (1/11/2016 7:24:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Gallup poll finds number of uninsured increased 4th quarter 2015, from 11.6% to 11.9%


The number of people getting insurance from their workplace continues its steady decline to 43.2%
The number of people paying for their own insurance is up 4%.



This compares to 64% at the time the ACA was passed. Virtually all coverage lost was lost from the small business market. Source: Rober woods johnson foundation.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/188045/uninsured-rate-fourth-quarter-2015.aspx?g_source=Healthcare&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles
http://www.rwjf.org/en/library/research/2013/04/state-level-trends-in-employer-sponsored-health-insurance.html?cq_ck=1365788547397


Those without insurance is about 11.3%. Either due to opting out of the ACA or any of hundreds of minor reasons (i.e. awaiting imprisonment). It is both good and important that due to he ACA, an upwards of 24-30 million Americans whom could not get coverage, now have it. That is roughly 1/6th of the nation's adult population. If trends can be predicted, there will be a +/- change of only a few percentage points until the next Census is taken (some of the questions for the interview part ask about healthcare insurance).

I think you would agree that allowing more Americans to have access to healthcare that does not break their budget to be a good thing. Particularly in the areas the ACA was meant to help: those would could not afford, those denied, employees of small businesses, and those handling unsteady working seasons.




joether -> RE: Latest news on Obama Care (1/11/2016 7:42:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler
Yes, the Republican Party originated to free slaves and give equal footing to people which was liberal though republican. Republicans being liberal is a strange concept now, but it is the origins of the party. The original republicans would be fighting for equality of marriage, support woman's rights (as they did during the 20s) and race based equality. They were also against the misuse of power by the powerful.

Thank you Lucy. I've appreciated your contributions to this forum for a while, but until recently I have mostly avoided the forums. Keep up the good fight


In the 1990's, the Republican Party started its shift from being mostly moderate with some liberal and conservative congressional folks to very conservative in 2004. By 2008 rolled around, the Republican Party contained mostly hard-core conservatives with a growing number of unstable and very extreme personalities. 2016, the Republican Party is faced with hiring a Nazi or Someone-That-Wants-the-US-Government-Shutdown to represent them before the American People in the general election. Its platform is basically the same for the last decade. Added to all this is the growing lack of new ideas for positive and long term changes to and for the United States of America. The Republican Party represents the 1% and those dumb enough to think Republican Party cares they exist.

On the other hand, the Democrats are showing life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness towards all Americans. Showing how government can work to make America a better place. Ideas on the platform that are not counters to the Republican 'stupidity' are fresh and new. Their nominees would either give America its first female President or an actual Socialist whom represents the good of Americans. The Democrats seem to represent a far greater field of Americans, including heavy support from every minority group, including women.

Conservatives on this board and within the nation are in for a huge disappointed in the general election. Fed a pile of lies by conservative media to believe, once more in three straight general elections that the GOP nomination has a real chance. The disappointment will be heavy and hard, leading them to try to undermine the Democrat's pick in any way possible; including illegal, threatening, and hateful. Never realizing that most Americans oppose their views on a wide range of subjects. From firearm control to dealing with the national debt.





DominantWrestler -> RE: Latest news on Obama Care (1/11/2016 8:23:43 AM)

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/catsimatidis-toomey-obamacare-death/2015/12/13/id/705612/#ixzz3uoMrwv00

http://www.gallup.com/poll/188045/uninsured-rate-fourth-quarter-2015.aspx?g_source=Healthcare&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles

Okay nutsuckers, make sure to coordinate when you're going to be lying so the other republicans cannot post evidence against your lies

The first link states
"Only the older and sicker are participating... and that drives up costs, causing younger, healthier people to drop out."

Now the second link (posted first chronologically in this forum) has changed in healthcare uninsured rates based on age from 4th quarter 2013 to 4th quarter 2015

18-25 years old
23.5 to 15.9

25-34
28.2 to 20.9

35-64
18-12

65+
2.0-2.0

So that no change in the 65 clearly indicates only the elderly are using Obamacare. LMFAO




Phydeaux -> RE: Latest news on Obama Care (1/11/2016 10:51:14 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/catsimatidis-toomey-obamacare-death/2015/12/13/id/705612/#ixzz3uoMrwv00

http://www.gallup.com/poll/188045/uninsured-rate-fourth-quarter-2015.aspx?g_source=Healthcare&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles

Okay nutsuckers, make sure to coordinate when you're going to be lying so the other republicans cannot post evidence against your lies

The first link states
"Only the older and sicker are participating... and that drives up costs, causing younger, healthier people to drop out."

Now the second link (posted first chronologically in this forum) has changed in healthcare uninsured rates based on age from 4th quarter 2013 to 4th quarter 2015

18-25 years old
23.5 to 15.9

25-34
28.2 to 20.9

35-64
18-12

65+
2.0-2.0

So that no change in the 65 clearly indicates only the elderly are using Obamacare. LMFAO


If you actually read the gallup piece - it explains why there is no change in the 65+ demographic. They used Medicare, not Obamacare.

Now, that should have been common knowledge to even a hill billy like you. But if wasn't - its right there in black and white for you to read.

Oh right. Hill billies can't read.

And just in case you're laboring under the impression that this is a still a great improvement - lets consider that your same source says the uninsured rate was 14.4 in 2008.

So at the price of a trillion dollars, 2 supreme court decisions, and 169 new federal agencies - we've saddled 2.5% of the population with healthcare insurance they can't afford to use.

Great. You just keep beating that Obamacare drum. Republicans will keep winning elections because of it.





DominantWrestler -> RE: Latest news on Obama Care (1/11/2016 11:18:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

quote:

ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/catsimatidis-toomey-obamacare-death/2015/12/13/id/705612/#ixzz3uoMrwv00

http://www.gallup.com/poll/188045/uninsured-rate-fourth-quarter-2015.aspx?g_source=Healthcare&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles

Okay nutsuckers, make sure to coordinate when you're going to be lying so the other republicans cannot post evidence against your lies

The first link states
"Only the older and sicker are participating... and that drives up costs, causing younger, healthier people to drop out."

Now the second link (posted first chronologically in this forum) has changed in healthcare uninsured rates based on age from 4th quarter 2013 to 4th quarter 2015

18-25 years old
23.5 to 15.9

25-34
28.2 to 20.9

35-64
18-12

65+
2.0-2.0

So that no change in the 65 clearly indicates only the elderly are using Obamacare. LMFAO


If you actually read the gallup piece - it explains why there is no change in the 65+ demographic. They used Medicare, not Obamacare.

Now, that should have been common knowledge to even a hill billy like you. But if wasn't - its right there in black and white for you to read.

Oh right. Hill billies can't read.

And just in case you're laboring under the impression that this is a still a great improvement - lets consider that your same source says the uninsured rate was 14.4 in 2008.

So at the price of a trillion dollars, 2 supreme court decisions, and 169 new federal agencies - we've saddled 2.5% of the population with healthcare insurance they can't afford to use.

Great.



You mean 2008 while the second major economic collapse caused by republicans in a decade was occurring? Oh and you forgot the elderl use Medicare AND Medicaid Fido. You also forgot that was you link. Even if when you compare to 2008, there still was a drop in the uninsured rate of 2.5%

Insult my intelligence again, please. It just makes me laugh




bounty44 -> RE: Latest news on Obama Care (1/11/2016 5:28:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler
You mean 2008 while the second major economic collapse caused by republicans in a decade was occurring? Oh and you forgot the elderl use Medicare AND Medicaid Fido. You also forgot that was you link. Even if when you compare to 2008, there still was a drop in the uninsured rate of 2.5%

Insult my intelligence again, please. It just makes me laugh


when you do patently erroneous things and its pointed out, its probably better to say "sorry, I stand corrected" rather than to be snarky.

and what you said at the end of your first sentence above is really irrelevant to the point.

its boggling to me that, if i am correct in presuming you mean the housing bubble bursting, liberals continue to point to republicans as the cause of that.

if we pointed you to some reading that sets your record straight, would you even bother to read it and change your mind?






thompsonx -> RE: Latest news on Obama Care (1/11/2016 5:35:40 PM)


ORIGINAL: bounty44

when you do patently stupid things and its pointed out, its probably better to say "sorry, I stand corrected" rather than to be snarky.

When I point out your continual ignorance and stupidity you never acknowledge it llike a man. But instead scurry off like a yellow black mouth cur with your tail between your legs.







Lucylastic -> RE: Latest news on Obama Care (1/11/2016 6:01:49 PM)

Oh Thompson, spot on




Phydeaux -> RE: Latest news on Obama Care (1/11/2016 6:10:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Gallup poll finds number of uninsured increased 4th quarter 2015, from 11.6% to 11.9%


The number of people getting insurance from their workplace continues its steady decline to 43.2%
The number of people paying for their own insurance is up 4%.



This compares to 64% at the time the ACA was passed. Virtually all coverage lost was lost from the small business market. Source: Rober woods johnson foundation.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/188045/uninsured-rate-fourth-quarter-2015.aspx?g_source=Healthcare&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles
http://www.rwjf.org/en/library/research/2013/04/state-level-trends-in-employer-sponsored-health-insurance.html?cq_ck=1365788547397


Those without insurance is about 11.3%. Either due to opting out of the ACA or any of hundreds of minor reasons (i.e. awaiting imprisonment). It is both good and important that due to he ACA, an upwards of 24-30 million Americans whom could not get coverage, now have it. That is roughly 1/6th of the nation's adult population. If trends can be predicted, there will be a +/- change of only a few percentage points until the next Census is taken (some of the questions for the interview part ask about healthcare insurance).

I think you would agree that allowing more Americans to have access to healthcare that does not break their budget to be a good thing. Particularly in the areas the ACA was meant to help: those would could not afford, those denied, employees of small businesses, and those handling unsteady working seasons.




Eighth Major ACA blunder Huffingether.
quote:


http://obamacarefacts.com/sign-ups/obamacare-enrollment-numbers/

As of March 2015 HHS reported a total of 16.4 covered due to the ACA between the Marketplace, Medicaid expansion, young adults staying on their parents plan, and other coverage provisions. This number was reported by HHS to have rose to 17.6 million according to September 2015 data.



17 million is a far cry from 30 million huffingether.

As for,
quote:

I think you would agree that allowing more Americans to have access to healthcare that does not break their budget to be a good thing.
- no, no I wouldn't.

We could do that anytime we wanted - we could just pass a law that says = the US government will pay all bills for everyone's medical expenses.

And I would view that as a terrible thing.

Just like I would view giving everyone $1million dollars as a terrible thing. Once you get past a certain age, you realize one of the funniest sayings in the English language is "I'm from the government, I'm here to help." You stop believe in santa claus and free lunches. You realize what goes up, will come down.
And in the context of government - giving everyone a million dollars will impose more than a million dollars in costs.

You realize just how wise the founding fathers were - something you give zero credence to.

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.

Thomas Paine


Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomaspain100996.html#55bEyuXlVRdDXPqb.99







bounty44 -> RE: Latest news on Obama Care (1/11/2016 6:24:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: bounty44

when you do patently stupid things and its pointed out, its probably better to say "sorry, I stand corrected" rather than to be snarky.

When I point out your continual ignorance and stupidity you never acknowledge it llike a man. But instead scurry off like a yellow black mouth cur with your tail between your legs.







except that you've never done such a thing, and whats more, you presume that on the whole I even pay attention to your replies to me. I don't.

to that very end, how often have you and I ever been in conversation on here on subject matter? rarely, if ever. if I respond to you at all, I typically go my merry way afterwards and don't engage you in conversation. all you need to do is look at the quality and nature of your post here and you should be able to figure out why.

so given that, sorry to inform you---you are just plain wrong even from your starting premise as well.

if you cannot follow that, maybe we can "get an adult to explain it to you?"




bounty44 -> RE: Latest news on Obama Care (1/11/2016 6:26:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Oh Thompson, spot on


think ive said this before...and I used to think that it was only joether who was delusional.





bounty44 -> RE: Latest news on Obama Care (1/11/2016 6:32:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: bounty44

its relatively easy to understand the charge once you know it exists because liberals can redefine the word (or any word for that matter) to mean whatever they want it to mean.



As usual you only open your mouth to change feet.[8|]


you somehow think that is clever?

or maybe that that is pointing out my "ignorance and stupidity?"

youre also somehow not aware, despite the fact it was conversation on another thread you were smack dab in the middle of, that lefties cry racism whenever given the opportunity due to their overly broad, and non historically correct usage of the term? and im the one with an "ignorance" problem?

im sorry, which phrase of yours is most applicable here? Unsubstantiated ignorant opinion?

for your edification:

Liberals Redefine Words [Reader Post] | Flopping Aces

Liberals changing word meanings with intent to deceive

quote:

Liberal Tactics

One of the tactics most used by liberals, who do not have an argument to support their failed policies, is to redefine the meanings of words. Liberals (or, as they now like to be called, progressives) have introduced an era of political correctness so as to offend no one, a rewriting of language and history to ensure that words and phrases that offend certain special interests are redefined or excluded from the vocabulary of those progressives and liberals. You will notice this redefining of the language whenever you read liberal publications or watch liberal broadcasts of the evening news.

racist: The MSM and current administration have used this word so much that the word has lost relevance in any honest debate. To liberals it means any person or organization that disagrees with the policies of the current administration.


and tons more where that came from...

but then maybe the author's just changing feet??

oh, here is some good stuff too:

"7 Things Liberals REALLY MEAN When They Cry “Racism”"

quote:

the accusations of "racism" never seem to stop. Why? Because when liberals cry "racism," they don't really mean racism. They mean....

1) You disagree with me
2) I need more attention and/or money
3) Let’s take a choice away from black Americans
4) You are disagreeing with a minority
5) Your attack is damaging us
6) You won't do what I want!
7) Stop trying to do outreach to black Americans


if you want to see the fleshed out versions:

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2014/03/29/7-things-liberals-really-mean-when-they-cry-racism-n1816401/page/full

and more to the original point:

Dem Rep. John Lewis: Opposition to Obamacare is racism

Rangel (D-NY): Opposition to Obamacare is Racist

ICYMI: Rockefeller States Opposition to Obamacare is racist

what?? say it aint so joe?




Lucylastic -> RE: Latest news on Obama Care (1/11/2016 6:44:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Oh Thompson, spot on


think ive said this before...and I used to think that it was only joether who was delusional.





Reaising your own deficiency's and issues is an important first step to reality, I applaud your step forward




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