joether
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
"Homicide with a firearm is....ANYTHING...to do with a firearm."
By the technical definition of the word yes, but to a thinking, rational adult, no. If I catch you stealing my tools and put a .38 hole in you, that might meet the technical definition of homicide because we both look just like humans. It depends on how you want to take the etymology of the word. The "homo" part, does it mean sameness as in homonym, homogenous, or the species like in homosapien, homonid etc. ?
Trying to twist things around, eh?
Until the police clear you of charges, it could be considered a homicide. In fact, the police might not believe, charge and send you to court. During trial, the charges are dropped for any number of reasons. Yet, it would be reported as 'Homicide, Firearm' in the CDC's system here.
Second you took the sentence well out of context.....
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
As far as I am concerned, homicide is not all that bad a word. Abortions are homicides. Euthenasia is homicide. Killing in self defense is homicide. But none of these things are considered murder. Cops kill more people than anyone else, but in most cases it is not murder (hoopefully). but it is still homicide and they did it with a gun. In very few cases do they beat someone to death or choke them, but it does happen.
Abortions are NOT homicide. Since when does life begin? Scientifically it starts when the organism can survive on its own without the mother or egg (in the case of avian). Religiously its at conception. Unfortunately, life begins according to the US Supreme Court: anytime after birth. So according to the US Supreme Court, a fetus is not a human, so therefore, can not be homicide.
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
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ORIGINAL: joether
"It does not really break things down on to the causes of each particular issue. Unintentional death due to motor vehicle traffic is a big one. Is it caused bye drive error, or equipment break down?"
Questioning those unquestionable statistics are ye ? Well that is good. Watch a movie called "The Palermo Connection" (Jim Belushi) for details. There is a discussion of polls in it, in HOW you ask the question. Actually simple, but expound on it. None of these statistics can give a true picture of what is going on.
One tool does not create a house from nothing....
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Actually I don't see what all the fuss is about. You add up al the numbers ad they are still statistically insignificant. And look the Mommy of some dead Columbine kid in the eye and say that ? Yes I will. What happened was horrible but we are not changing the whole country over it. Call me when it gets to one percent. that would be 3.3 million. You are barely at one percent of that. One percent of one percent.
If 0.1% of the nation's population is dying due to homicides with guns, that's 300,000+ people. That blows away (pun unintended) every other category by a huge amount. That would be like hearing "A restaurant full of 50 people were mowed down by one person with a gun" every night on TV. How long do you think it would take before Americans said "Fuck this shit" and take action?
That mass shootings taken place every day in American with REALLY big attacks every few weeks? This has prompted people to ask serious questions. The answers we are finding are not to our liking. In the political world, one side states "more guns' will solve problems; the other side states "better rules" will solve problems. We have tried the whole 'More Guns' idea. We have nearly as many guns as we do people. Hasn't really stopped problems. So lets try "more rules" that work on paper and in reality?
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
If you want more gun laws then get out there and shoot more people.
No, I simply convince people of the merits of a better set of systems. One that allows people to obtain firearms but has a 'checks and balances' system that keeps those with firearms in check. These systems make it harder for arms to fall into the wrong hands, drying up the supply on the black market. End result? More good Americans have guns while the criminal element has clubs and fists. Criminals with firearms becomes a rarity.
Isn't that what we both want? Citizens to have arms while criminals and terrorists do not?
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