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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/14/2016 9:08:54 AM   
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yeah its funny .. 95% of all gun deaths are caused by handguns - but democrats want to ban assault rifles...


And not give hand guns to career criminals and the mentally disturbed. Imagine if basic instruction was needed to prevent all these parents from letting their kids get their hands. Spends 10 grand on new guns, won't spend 400 for a safe

While the media propoganda in Prom (Peoples Republic of MA) may say otherwise nobody, repeat nobody, wants to give career criminals and the mentally disturbed guns. Although Fast and Furious did see to it that career criminals got a over 1000 semi automatic rifles, still not assault weapons outside of gun grabber circles.


That's what the gunshow loophole litigation that has been brought up several times in congress is about. As long as you don't believe a gun will be used for crime, a private seller can sell a firearm without a background check. Hence how criminals can be sold guns without being able to charge the gun seller. And gun control is about safety for many liberals, myself included. Most teenagers can only summon the courage to kill themselves with a gun. Hence the rate of cutting and such that doesn't end in death. I am not anti gun, just anti stupid. How many illiterate or borderline illiterate adults are there in Alabama that own a gun?

Fast and Furious forced dealers who reported suspicions about the sales of semi automatic sales to go ahead and make the sale. It had nothing to do with purchases from private owner. Where do you get your information, Joe's blog?

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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/14/2016 11:22:11 AM   
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While the majority might oppose "assault" weapons bans, they dont oppose the executive actions to plugh us some of the stuff in the law.

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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/14/2016 6:29:59 PM   
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While the majority might oppose "assault" weapons bans, they dont oppose the executive actions to plugh us some of the stuff in the law.


We don't know that for certain as there have been no polls asking people if they approve or disapprove of the president's executive action.

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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/14/2016 6:34:04 PM   
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http://time.com/4173116/gun-control-barack-obama-polls/
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/politics/poll-obama-gun-action/
http://national.suntimes.com/national-world-news/7/72/2403565/obama-gun-control-americans-support-67-percent/
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-guns-idUSKCN0UQ2O220160113

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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/14/2016 6:36:47 PM   
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http://time.com/4173116/gun-control-barack-obama-polls/
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/politics/poll-obama-gun-action/
http://national.suntimes.com/national-world-news/7/72/2403565/obama-gun-control-americans-support-67-percent/
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-guns-idUSKCN0UQ2O220160113


Are you going to childishly ignore me if I debate this with you?

ETA:

Your links, mostly from left-learning sources, seem to reference the same CNN/ORC poll.

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ORIGINAL: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/gun_control/most_voters_oppose_obama_acting_alone_on_gun_control
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Fifty-eight percent (58%) of Likely U.S. Voters say the government should only do what the president and Congress agree on when it comes to gun control. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 34% believe Obama should take action alone if Congress does not approve the initiatives he has proposed. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
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Most right-leaning links (eg Breitbart, BearingArms, etc) reference this poll.


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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/14/2016 6:46:06 PM   
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http://time.com/4173116/gun-control-barack-obama-polls/
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/politics/poll-obama-gun-action/
http://national.suntimes.com/national-world-news/7/72/2403565/obama-gun-control-americans-support-67-percent/
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-guns-idUSKCN0UQ2O220160113


Are you going to childishly ignore me if I debate this with you?



LOL You said there were no polls I just provided links to some, I have no interest in discussing weapons with you.
You have some great points on other issues, but on guns, not a chance, I cant be as childish as the gun nuts here get.
I provided links, no need for debate.


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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/14/2016 6:48:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

http://time.com/4173116/gun-control-barack-obama-polls/
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/politics/poll-obama-gun-action/
http://national.suntimes.com/national-world-news/7/72/2403565/obama-gun-control-americans-support-67-percent/
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-guns-idUSKCN0UQ2O220160113


Are you going to childishly ignore me if I debate this with you?



LOL You said there were no polls I just provided links to some, I have no interest in discussing weapons with you.
You have some great points on other issues, but on guns, not a chance, I cant be as childish as the gun nuts here get.
I provided links, no need for debate.



Please see my edit.

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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/14/2016 6:50:57 PM   
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oh, edited.ok fine...now worries,s Im still not interested in debating with you on the poll numbers, or the "partisanship.
Ive already done the polls are relative admission. I dont put much faith in them, I do however like facts.
Look how the whole right wing believed the polls on Romney.
Hysterical.
Poor Rove nearly asphyxiated on live tv.
You stated there werent any polls, I showed you there are...no need to pick them apart...just admit you were wrong.


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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/14/2016 6:53:53 PM   
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oh, edited.ok fine...now worries,s Im still not interested in debating with you on the poll numbers, or the "partisanship.
Ive already done the polls are relative admission. I dont put much faith in them, I do however like facts.
Look how the whole right wing believed the polls on Romney.
Hysterical.
Poor Rove nearly asphyxiated on live tv.
You stated there werent any polls, I showed you there are...no need to pick them apart...just admit you were wrong.



I was incorrect in stating there were no polls.

As one poll (CNN/ORC) says a majority support and another poll (Rasmussen) says a majority oppose, who is to say which accurate? People will believe the poll they ideologically agree with, which doesn't help the situation.

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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/14/2016 6:56:32 PM   
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Umm I realise this may be a new concept for some, I gave both sides of the story.
Im so freakin partisan....

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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/14/2016 7:57:46 PM   
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By federal law, adult acting as a private citizen, not a corporation, in their own state may sell a gun to another adult in the same state. No background checks. Guy might have held up store and he could buy the gun as long as the seller didn't believe the gun would be used for crime. Due to plausible deniability, this means a person can sell guns to a person that has held up a gas station at gun point before, or someone known to be mentally off, like bipolar, depression, ptsd, etc. They could easily acquire guns legally in the US in many states (like Texas) and commit an atrocious act without ever needing a background check. Just because a guy goes to a gunshow and doesn't look dangerous, doesn't mean he couldn't commit a terrorist act tomorrow. How can people supposedly so behind national security be willing to sell guns to terrorists on US soil

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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/14/2016 8:20:36 PM   
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By federal law, adult acting as a private citizen, not a corporation, in their own state may sell a gun to another adult in the same state. No background checks. Guy might have held up store and he could buy the gun as long as the seller didn't believe the gun would be used for crime. Due to plausible deniability, this means a person can sell guns to a person that has held up a gas station at gun point before, or someone known to be mentally off, like bipolar, depression, ptsd, etc. They could easily acquire guns legally in the US in many states (like Texas) and commit an atrocious act without ever needing a background check. Just because a guy goes to a gunshow and doesn't look dangerous, doesn't mean he couldn't commit a terrorist act tomorrow. How can people supposedly so behind national security be willing to sell guns to terrorists on US soil

You put together an possible series of events, ascrobe the worst motivation from it then extrapolate it to"prove" an absurd notion.
Nobody, and I don't know how many times I will have to repeat this, wants to hand guns to terroists. I have never known a gun owner who would be alright with it. You are obsesed with gun shows. A gun show is a lousy place for a criminal to get a gun, cops, cameras, and if one person suspects themthey can be up the creek with no escape.

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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/14/2016 8:28:44 PM   
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By federal law, adult acting as a private citizen, not a corporation, in their own state may sell a gun to another adult in the same state. No background checks. Guy might have held up store and he could buy the gun as long as the seller didn't believe the gun would be used for crime. Due to plausible deniability, this means a person can sell guns to a person that has held up a gas station at gun point before, or someone known to be mentally off, like bipolar, depression, ptsd, etc. They could easily acquire guns legally in the US in many states (like Texas) and commit an atrocious act without ever needing a background check. Just because a guy goes to a gunshow and doesn't look dangerous, doesn't mean he couldn't commit a terrorist act tomorrow. How can people supposedly so behind national security be willing to sell guns to terrorists on US soil

You start off as if background checks are banned for private sales.
The Federal law leaves this to the states.
Thus While Tx, and Al for example do not reqire background checks for private sales, OR, CA, and CO (the sites of the last three high profile shootings) do.

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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/14/2016 10:35:53 PM   
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Background checks should be be mandatory for all firearms sales. The same with parts for firearms. With hefty penalties for failing to do so.

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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/15/2016 9:25:49 AM   
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While the majority might oppose "assault" weapons bans, they dont oppose the executive actions to plugh us some of the stuff in the law.


We don't know that for certain as there have been no polls asking people if they approve or disapprove of the president's executive action.


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/obama-guns-support-poll-217477
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/politics/poll-obama-gun-action/

Well, ja there have been. But just like all the other polls, its a poll. Sort of meaningless.

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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/15/2016 10:14:27 AM   
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Background checks should be be mandatory for all firearms sales. The same with parts for firearms. With hefty penalties for failing to do so.



Actually, the receiver does require a back ground check.

Now for the misinformed, or those who plain have no clue, a receiver is the part of a firearm that actually makes it a firearm. It houses the trigger, bolt and other mechanical parts that make the gun go "bang."

However, there is a loop hole, dealing with what is referred to as 80% receivers or unfinished receivers, which are not completely milled out, in other words, all the metal on the inside has not been removed. So if you were to put this into a firearm assembly without removing the metal the gun will not go bang.

Then of course, there is this little problem.

A relatively inexpensive CNC machine that will take a chunk of billit aluminum and turn it into a receiver for an AR, AK and some of the more exotic submachine guns, like the UZI, will set you back about 5 grand. This machine is non regulated since you can make a number of machine parts for all kinds of things.

A boring machine to make rifle or pistol barrels is also relatively cheap, about six grand, and the little thingamabob that will rifle the bore for you is less than 100 bucks and uses the same machine.

The neat thing is that any kid that took an advanced shop class can run one, make all kinds of neat gun parts, including the ones that turn a semi automatic into an automatic.

All you have to do is download the CADCAM data from the web, lots of websites put this kind of stuff up.

So, lets say you do get all assault weapons banned.

That is still not going to stop anyone with the good ol' American Spirit to make a buck (honestly or dishonestly) from being able to make and sell the damn things to anyone willing to pay the price.

FYI, there is an American firm that has started making all the AK receiver parts out of solid metal, unlike the stamped factory originals.

Hell, they even figured out how to make a ma deuce receiver assembly in two parts, and completely eliminating the need from putting together all the stamped metal parts with rivets. I am sure if you give them time, they will be more than capable of machining all the other parts as well.

In other words, to really ban guns of any kind, you need a fully regulated and watched internet, regulate the sell of machine shop tools, and machines, and probably put in prison everyone that ever learned to be a gunsmith and was trained as an armorer in the military.

Sieg Heil anyone?

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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/15/2016 10:19:05 AM   
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Sieg Heil. Nobody is banning guns.

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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/15/2016 10:47:15 AM   
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Hey Jlf.

More interestingly, there are multiple plans for making guns out of plastic using 3d printers.

Whole interesting subject...

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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/15/2016 10:49:28 AM   
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Background checks should be be mandatory for all firearms sales. The same with parts for firearms. With hefty penalties for failing to do so.

You didn't name an actuall assault weapon that any recent law was aimed at.
You should know that the weapons you describe as assault weapons are not.
Maybe we should have background checks for pictures of firearms.

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RE: Majority OPPOSE "assault" weapons ban - 1/15/2016 11:27:01 AM   
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Hey Jlf.

More interestingly, there are multiple plans for making guns out of plastic using 3d printers.

Whole interesting subject...


One time use plastic pistol 3D printed gun or do the final machining for a full gun, guess which one you'll choose. As for you Bama, you basically proved my case. Someone selling a gun posts an add on Craigslist because their buddies are all broke. A potential buyer inspects the gun, likes it and wants to buy it. You've known the guy for 10 minutes. You think someone has the ability to judge a persons character that quickly? If you can, you should apply for government work because they will hire you in 10 minutes. My old professor's daughter used to do it for airline security before she passed away. As for the rest of us that can't instantly read people, background checks prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands.

I remember reading about the 80 percent receiver assemblies. Atleast for the AR, it's doesnt even need a CNC, though if you wanted to mass produce number free weapons, which sell for significantly more on the black market, a CNC would make the process more efficient

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