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Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 5:46:58 AM   
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A man's side of the story when it comes to sexism, he is just a whiny crybaby. A woman's side, feminism, socially acceptable, sympathy all around.

Feminists/leftists claim they want to achieve equality but they seem to always want double standards. Their actions always seem to contradict what they claim.

Advice to feminists, learn what equality actually entails before preaching it.
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RE: Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 5:52:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		And learn to realize that a whiny old man who can't can't get laid because he has a shit attitude towards women shouldn't be plastering a forum with boring old repeats of "double standards" that he clearly doesn't understand himself.

Fucking grow up and grow a pair!!
And stop the incessant whinging on these boards.

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RE: Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 6:04:24 AM   
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And learn to realize that a whiny old man who can't can't get laid because he has a shit attitude towards women shouldn't be plastering a forum with boring old repeats of "double standards" that he clearly doesn't understand himself.


But when a woman complains about double standards favouring men, no such shame is heaped on her. She is a strong liberated woman standing up for her rights.

It would be interesting if you can explain what I don't understand about double standards.

It seems that you don't. If you can't see the difference of attitudes from society when a man complains about male issues compared to a woman complaining about female issues, your head must be stuck under a rock.

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RE: Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 6:06:07 AM   
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Gotta love female privilege.


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RE: Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 6:10:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with "issues" as you put it.
This is because women are frequently discriminated against in all walks of life where men aren't.

This is what you are failing to understand.
The women are standing up for equal rights.
YOU (and pretty much only you on here) seem to think they want something better than that.
That is your blind spot.

Stop creating creating whiny whinging threads about it. It's fucking B-O-R-I-N-G as fuck!!


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RE: Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 6:10:44 AM   
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sex·ism
ˈsekˌsizəm/
noun
prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.

While the definition does say "typically" against women, that is not the same as ALWAYS against women. So, let's remove that part, and get:

prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, on the basis of sex.

So, the revers of this would be a lack of prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, on the basis of sex.

And yes. That does exist. Just not the way the article or the OP want it to.

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RE: Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 6:13:48 AM   
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prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, on the basis of sex.


Such as patriarchy and white male blaming? Feminists use that mindset on anything that pretty much annoys them.

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RE: Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 6:21:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't see that you are behaving any differently.

You have a myopic and skewed view of what feminism is.
I blame people like you and your ilk for the situation as it is.

Men are not hard done by.
Men are NOT discriminated against in most areas like the majority of women are.

It seems you want a world of male supremacy.
Go live in an Islamic country if you don't like the Western world as it is.
Your constant whining is worse that irritating, Nick.
Give that drum a fucking rest will ya??


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RE: Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 6:30:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Men are NOT discriminated against in most areas like the majority of women are.

Criminal sentencing
Affirmative action
Government funding for health
Government funding for DV
Government funding for homelessness
Child custody
Reproduction rights
A man gets taken less seriously when he is a victim of DV
A man gets taken less seriously when he is a victim of rape

I can go on and on

Speaking of "prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination"...it's so very clear when looking at the attitudes of people against a male having supportive views for men when it comes to gender issues compared to how a woman is treated.

If you truly want genuine equality, learn what it actually is!

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RE: Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 6:34:03 AM   
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Maybe you're in the wrong country??

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RE: Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 6:40:08 AM   
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While the definition does say "typically" against women, that is not the same as ALWAYS against women. So, let's remove that part, and get:


Which the dictionary meaning is stereotyping and holding prejudice against men when saying this. You have to be crazy to not see the irony!

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RE: Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 6:46:35 AM   
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So let's take them one at a time for you -
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Criminal sentencing

Perhaps you don't understand that when a particular crime is committed by mainly males, don't you think they should be made examples of so as to discourage them??

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ORIGINAL: respectmen
Affirmative action

On what, exactly??

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ORIGINAL: respectmen
Government funding for health

Gender doesn't come into our healthcare regime.
Both male and female get equal care here and equal resources regardless of gender.

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ORIGINAL: respectmen
Government funding for DV

Completely equal here.

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ORIGINAL: respectmen
Government funding for homelessness

Again, completely equal here.
There is no discrimination between the genders.

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Child custody

That's because it is generally the women that bring up the kids rather than the male.
So I don't see that favouring the mum over the dad is particularly problematic.
But of course, you WANT to make it a problem.

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Reproduction rights

Equal rights here.

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A man gets taken less seriously when he is a victim of DV

Not true here.

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A man gets taken less seriously when he is a victim of rape

Again, not true here.

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I can go on and on

And you do - ad nauseum!!!

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If you truly want genuine equality, learn what it actually is!

We generally have that here.


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RE: Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 6:49:27 AM   
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And learn to realize that a whiny old man who can't can't get laid because he has a shit attitude towards women shouldn't be plastering a forum with boring old repeats of "double standards" that he clearly doesn't understand himself.

Fucking grow up and grow a pair!!
And stop the incessant whinging on these boards.


THIS should be all that is needed to end this thread. The OP does not have an argument to stand upon here. More often than not, women are beaten down for the desire to express equality. Curious that the author does not bring up how more conservative men treat women in Islam. Or in other cultures/religions. Here in the United States, women are paid 4/5ths of what their male counter part is paid for the same task.

Why should I care what a sports celebrity states about women, particularly when he is in the minority of that viewpoint? That is the underlying idea of the OP's material. You want to talk sexism? Here in the States we have the National Football League, and the Legends Football League. What is the difference?

As they say: An image is worth a thousand words:





The men in the NFL only have to look presentable, while the women have to be beautiful and sexy to the eye. Should I go into Golf or Tennis? How about basketball? Soccer? Any of the Olympic events? Yes, the women have to look sexy while the men look presentable.

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RE: Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 6:51:27 AM   
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prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, on the basis of sex.


Such as patriarchy and white male blaming? Feminists use that mindset on anything that pretty much annoys them.


Those are your words. Personally, i take things on a case-by-case basis, rather than sex. It seems to me that using words like "Patriarchy" and "white male blaming" makes you just as sexist as you accuse anyone of being.

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While the definition does say "typically" against women, that is not the same as ALWAYS against women. So, let's remove that part, and get:


Which the dictionary meaning is stereotyping and holding prejudice against men when saying this. You have to be crazy to not see the irony!


It's doing no such thing. It is defining the word. Simple as that. YOU, however, are using the word, and promoting sexism with your posts, by pitting one sex against the other, when not everyone (or even a majority of people) participate in that battle.

The fact that the word "nigger" exists is racist. The fact that it is defined is not. How people use it determines it's racism BY INSTANCE.

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RE: Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 6:54:41 AM   
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The men in the NFL only have to look presentable, while the women have to be beautiful and sexy to the eye. Should I go into Golf or Tennis? How about basketball? Soccer? Any of the Olympic events? Yes, the women have to look sexy while the men look presentable.


To be fair, this is more about what is desirable in society. Men looking handsome and sexy gives them an edge, but in a predominantly hetero-oriented society, their masculinity, behavior and earning power are valued more by women than their visual appeal.

Both men and women show a positive bias towards more attractive, scantily clad women. And of course, women that are attractive have it easier in life, because that is a primary desire of the opposite sex they are usually catering to, AND to their own sex.

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RE: Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 7:51:42 AM   
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The men in the NFL only have to look presentable, while the women have to be beautiful and sexy to the eye. Should I go into Golf or Tennis? How about basketball? Soccer? Any of the Olympic events? Yes, the women have to look sexy while the men look presentable.


To be fair, this is more about what is desirable in society. Men looking handsome and sexy gives them an edge, but in a predominantly hetero-oriented society, their masculinity, behavior and earning power are valued more by women than their visual appeal.


If that is true, then woman hold no real power. Be it political or financial. Look at the typical players of the NFL. They are BIG individuals. Some of them are just overweight. Could there be overweight women on the other football league? No of course not. Each one of them has to be slender, agile, and eye candy. Whom is the audience of the NFL? 55% are male, 45% are female. Now consider the audience of the League: 85% are male, 15% are female.

Yes, in recent years, the NFL has taken steps to force players, teams, and advertisers to focus more on women as a way to make a profit. Look at the uniforms of both teams. The NFL player is covered helmet to shoe in clothing. Yes, their forearms might be showing. With the League, the less cloths the better! I'm not going to say I dislike looking at them. Just pointing out that there is a noticeable difference between how the teams and organization is observed and where their profit originates.

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Both men and women show a positive bias towards more attractive, scantily clad women. And of course, women that are attractive have it easier in life, because that is a primary desire of the opposite sex they are usually catering to, AND to their own sex.


So American football is all about the eye candy? The hell with anything else. I suppose everyone has their 'kink' as it concerns the NFL. Since women's volleyball can be hont....

But the point of the OP, is complaining about some male athlete's view on women. A Chris Gayle. Yes, there are women that support his position. Then again, there are women whom are blindly devoted to the Republican Party that seeks ever more strict rules upon women. The point of the OP's thread is to suggest that since there is 'reverse sexism' therefore, 'sexism' is 'OK'. The article referred tries to justify being evil is good, since even the good guys have evil moments every once in a while. Would be like comparing a US Soldier fighting on the beach of Normandy to an SS officer pulling the lever on the gas chamber full of people. Yes, murder is evil. The first instance the person has a task that can not be settled in any other manner. The second, is an individual that enjoys being evil. Lets try not to mix things up here!

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RE: Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 8:24:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

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The men in the NFL only have to look presentable, while the women have to be beautiful and sexy to the eye. Should I go into Golf or Tennis? How about basketball? Soccer? Any of the Olympic events? Yes, the women have to look sexy while the men look presentable.


To be fair, this is more about what is desirable in society. Men looking handsome and sexy gives them an edge, but in a predominantly hetero-oriented society, their masculinity, behavior and earning power are valued more by women than their visual appeal.


If that is true, then woman hold no real power. Be it political or financial. Look at the typical players of the NFL. They are BIG individuals. Some of them are just overweight. Could there be overweight women on the other football league? No of course not. Each one of them has to be slender, agile, and eye candy. Whom is the audience of the NFL? 55% are male, 45% are female. Now consider the audience of the League: 85% are male, 15% are female.


Women hold plenty of power. However, how they choose to use that power is up to them.

By making a judgment call as to what kind of power is important, you are seeing the world through your own lens.

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Yes, in recent years, the NFL has taken steps to force players, teams, and advertisers to focus more on women as a way to make a profit.


Yes. because most "powerful" men also have wives and girlfriends. And they often have a VERY LARGE say in how money is spent in relationships. Having your woman love football as much as you do makes it easier to spend money on the sport you love.

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Look at the uniforms of both teams. The NFL player is covered helmet to shoe in clothing. Yes, their forearms might be showing. With the League, the less cloths the better! I'm not going to say I dislike looking at them. Just pointing out that there is a noticeable difference between how the teams and organization is observed and where their profit originates.


That's because the women's team is for show. And the women know it. And are proud of it (or at least willing to participate for the money).

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Both men and women show a positive bias towards more attractive, scantily clad women. And of course, women that are attractive have it easier in life, because that is a primary desire of the opposite sex they are usually catering to, AND to their own sex.


So American football is all about the eye candy? The hell with anything else. I suppose everyone has their 'kink' as it concerns the NFL. Since women's volleyball can be hont....


American women's football.

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The article referred tries to justify being evil is good, since even the good guys have evil moments every once in a while. Would be like comparing a US Soldier fighting on the beach of Normandy to an SS officer pulling the lever on the gas chamber full of people. Yes, murder is evil. The first instance the person has a task that can not be settled in any other manner. The second, is an individual that enjoys being evil. Lets try not to mix things up here!


I wasn't paying attention to the article, much. The word was used incorrectly. It invalidated the point.

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RE: Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 8:52:36 AM   
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The men in the NFL only have to look presentable, while the women have to be beautiful and sexy to the eye. Should I go into Golf or Tennis? How about basketball? Soccer? Any of the Olympic events? Yes, the women have to look sexy while the men look presentable.


That's a very good point and one that I'd like to pick up on. I know a lot of men won't agree with this but I think many women feel insecure about the ageing process because....

-As a woman ages, she becomes less desirable, as a man ages he becomes more distinguished.
-Far more older men leave their equally older wives for younger models, than older women leave their equally older husbands for younger men.
-As a woman ages, she will find it more difficult to find work, especially within the public sector. Older men are often seen as 'more professional looking' and are far less likely to have that problem.
-Women are taught (via media outlets) from a young age that beauty gets you through all the right doors but when that beauty fades, those doors close quicker than a fridge door in a heatwave.

Edited to add: When I went through a lengthy illness, lost my hair, looked gaunt, pale and ugly, the biggest thing I noticed was the way men in general treated me. I went from being desirable and sexy to invisible. I suddenly knew how it must feel to grow old and I realized that women generally have a much shorter sell by date in the looks department than their male counterparts. Fortunately for me, I have a fantastic partner.




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RE: Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 10:27:41 AM   
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A man's side of the story when it comes to sexism, he is just a whiny crybaby. A woman's side, feminism, socially acceptable, sympathy all around
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It's the same old, old thing with you, respectmen. Yes, men are often seen as crybabies and unacceptably so, in my (very long-held) opinion. But they were seen this way for at least hundreds of years before feminism even existed and it was mainly because *other men* saw them that way - men in power, that is. As always, you target the wrong enemy, with the wrong accusation, and in the wrong way. You're a stodgy, lazy thinker who won't or can't think outside of a useless, rigid ultra-right-wing box and, as a result, you are worse than useless even for your own (stated) cause.

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RE: Reverse’ Sexism Is A Thing – Just Like Hypocrisy - 1/13/2016 10:36:28 AM   
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