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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/15/2016 3:46:22 PM   
Phydeaux


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Status: offline 		So you may remember that recent news headlines the world over trumpeted that the seas were rising at their fastest pace in 7000 years.

Of course its a lie; but as the (only) person here actually interested in actual science, I had to dig into to find out how they manipulated the data. And of course, I wasn't disappointed.

The author modifies previous estimates of global see levels with the following equation.

f(x,t)= g(t) + l(x,t-t0) +m(x,t).

What is l(x,t-t0)? is a "temporarally linear field. M(x,t)? 'primarily represents facors such as ocean/dynamics and stic equilibrium "fingerprnt" effects of land-iss mass balance changes.

Which is gobbledy gook for taking previous studies of sea levels and fudging them with a linear factor over time. So this study - which was trumpeted the world over - introduces as undocumented fudge factor with no analasys - and Surprise! the sea levels rise....

But the games they play with the data don't end there. Michael Manns statistical hockey trick - already rigoroously proven to be a complete fabrication, is used to further adjust sea levels.

Equation 17: dh/dt = a(T(t) - T0(t)) +c(t)

So somehow - the actual measurements of sea levels - are not "accurate" to show global warming. The science must be "adjusted" (whitewashed) to adjust measured sea levels. Uh-huh. And they use Michael man's disproven temperature over time to apply a "correction" factor.

Uh huh. Just like the temperature modifications applied to the landbased temperature stations exceeded allowed limits between100 and 400%.

Finally, it compresses 1700 years of data while not compressing the "rise" to create an impression of "record sea level rise". When what it is really demonstrating is record fraud of scientific data.

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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/15/2016 5:46:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since it is a side issue, proving nothing, apropos of nothing and nobody remembers or has quoted the study heretofore or used it to buttress any argument and coupled with the atrocious spelling, and tertiated with no actual definition of variables and most of the equations alluded to, further demonstrated by facts that tell us the sea levels are rising, certainly as of late, lets just dismiss it as a really pathetic nothing.

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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/15/2016 6:08:34 PM   
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Since it is a side issue, proving nothing, apropos of nothing and nobody remembers or has quoted the study heretofore or used it to buttress any argument and coupled with the atrocious spelling, and tertiated with no actual definition of variables and most of the equations alluded to, further demonstrated by facts that tell us the sea levels are rising, certainly as of late, lets just dismiss it as a really pathetic nothing.


Lol - so you - master of incomprehensible gibberish critique my spelling do you.

Lol - the fact that sea levels are rising is exactly new - how? It no doubt escaped your attention that the world was covered in ice sheets. The ice melting made our civilization possible.

The fact that ice melting raises sea levels isn't actually, yanno surprising. Its been happening for c9000 years. However, contrary to the gloom and doom prognosticators, also known as global warming alarmists, civilization has flourished, and will continue to flourish.

It would in fact be sea levels declining presaging another ice age that would actually cause great alarm. As for what you can't remember, try "seas rising fastest". Incompetent as you are - even you will find the breathless press releases.

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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/16/2016 7:23:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting graphs from many different sources. They all result in just about, not exactly but just about the same thing.

HERE

I am bit curious how one goes back 24,000 years and another goes back 140,000.

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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/16/2016 7:33:25 AM   
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Since it is a side issue, proving nothing, apropos of nothing and nobody remembers or has quoted the study heretofore or used it to buttress any argument and coupled with the atrocious spelling, and tertiated with no actual definition of variables and most of the equations alluded to, further demonstrated by facts that tell us the sea levels are rising, certainly as of late, lets just dismiss it as a really pathetic nothing.


Lol - so you - master of incomprehensible gibberish critique my spelling do you.

Lol - the fact that sea levels are rising is exactly new - how? It no doubt escaped your attention that the world was covered in ice sheets. The ice melting made our civilization possible.

The fact that ice melting raises sea levels isn't actually, yanno surprising. Its been happening for c9000 years. However, contrary to the gloom and doom prognosticators, also known as global warming alarmists, civilization has flourished, and will continue to flourish.

It would in fact be sea levels declining presaging another ice age that would actually cause great alarm. As for what you can't remember, try "seas rising fastest". Incompetent as you are - even you will find the breathless press releases.



If my august and learned analysis be gibberish, the fault is not in my star.

I seem to think the incompetence would lead one to walk into neuron reactors with paper and drywall.

But let us consider empirical observations, because they are happening:
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2015/06/opinions/sutter-two-degrees-marshall-islands/
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-island-nations-could-be-underwater-in-as-little-as-fifty-years-2015-12
http://ecowatch.com/2015/05/22/maldives-underwater-climate-change/
http://www.ryot.org/island-nation-kiribati-preparing-mass-evacuation-underwater-soon/745509


merely a smattering, but would tend to disagree with the atrocious spelling and overall factlessness of the article you present.

disingenuous graphing notwithstanding, those people don't believe you, never mind what I think about your trotting out such incomprehensible spelling and factless buncombe.


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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/16/2016 8:59:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sea level is actually very complicated to measure so rather than explain all the variables gravity, spin, light breeze, isostatic rebound can skew early measurements they did in ports of olde –actually let’s say Scotland is rising and England is sinking, thermal expansion, etc it’s a very long list I will just look at some muffin porn for a minute or two....ahhhh.

Sea levels rises and its kinda one Sea (Ocean) – there is no counter argument, none at all.

Why it rises is a little more complex.
1 The natural ebb and flow of mother earth a vast & truly complex system/equilibrium meandering and spanning all epochs.
2 Man – Working out precisely point 1 contribution is actually impossible, far from perfect. Therefore data will always be refined and that seems logical.
3. Saying man has no contributed is invalid. To prove that absolutely is impossible for now. But they will take their data/inferred from many sources: cores, coral, fauna, fossils, etc and say hmm there seems to be something amiss. And we attribute that to man. And so they should.

Who does it matter - many a reason as I said eg London is sinking, sea level are rising, and the Thames Barrier probably had a design life off 80 years originally and I think they have to redesign it/modify it within the next 20-40 years (alas i cant remember the exact figures) and eg New York too is susceptible to high tides/storm surges...

So looking at the fact most of the world population lives around about sea level, as they have since the beginning of time (hence all em underwater cities)...wait this will be too boring

Actually you can look at it this way
Major cities will be more susceptible to flooding/inundation. but they always have been since the beginning of time due to mother earth/LGM interglacial etc

So what man contributes a centimetre a century (yes I plucked that figure out of thin air to use as an example i could have used 10cm a foot) and mother earthly currently lets call that another cm a and thermal expansion a tenth of that. Big fuking deal and it isn't except but for the kick in the teeth bite in the ass in that more energy is going into the atmosphere and this is not a good thing..

I know you two know about glaciers, LGM glacial outburst, albido etc which would cause sea level to rise suddenly very short period of time, in big steps of oh 100 metre per century; from about 21K BP....well a few occurrences in-between bit no-one ios here for a lesson in geology..but worth a mention

Now Greenland is fuked. And if it all melted it would add 7 metres to current sea levels so in the next 100-300 years they have that to look forward to, plus the energy it adds to the atmosphere

Antarctica is a little bit different

But in the past iceball earth, or whatever they call it, happened they think on two occasions and planet earth has been ice free many a time (for a variety of reasons to many too mention) and life still goes on, has went on since the beginning of time..granted its been too the precipice on many occasions and even irradiated

But you have a brain Op, I think, unless you are just reading selective material so I never really understand anyone saying sea level temperatures arnt rise in part as a result of man.


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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/18/2016 9:04:15 PM   
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I seem to think the incompetence would lead one to walk into neuron reactors with paper and drywall.



Run into a lot of neuron reactors, do you? Perhaps you should look up the meaning of "neuron" before you opine on things over your grade level. Which apparently is kindergarden.

quote:


But let us consider empirical observations, because they are happening:
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2015/06/opinions/sutter-two-degrees-marshall-islands/
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-island-nations-could-be-underwater-in-as-little-as-fifty-years-2015-12
http://ecowatch.com/2015/05/22/maldives-underwater-climate-change/
http://www.ryot.org/island-nation-kiribati-preparing-mass-evacuation-underwater-soon/745509



Ah yes - explain to me please how one empirically observes things happening 50 years in the future....
So while you're looking up words - add empirically.



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merely a smattering, but would tend to disagree with the atrocious spelling


Here's something else you should have learned in kindergarden. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Or in your case, run with pointed objects.

Or chew gum and well in your case.. do anything. Gum optional.

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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/18/2016 9:10:55 PM   
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But you have a brain Op, I think, unless you are just reading selective material so I never really understand anyone saying sea level temperatures arnt rise in part as a result of man.




Quote me where I said that. For in fact, I have not.

What I have said is that observed oceanic rise is anywhere from 22-50% less than predicted by AGW alarmists.
What I have said is that leftist scientists, who wish to keep the gravy train (and hysteria) flowing have published falsified data, and /or breathless predictions that as yet have never ONCE been proved correct.

Ok. I lied. I never said that last bit before. It is nonetheless true. There has not been a single mainstream prediction of global warming regarding temperature or ocean rise over a period of 20 years that has been accurate. And sure, I'm not conversant with every paper out there -only a few thousand of them. But whether it was Al Gore's prediction of snowless USA; ice clear northwest passage, temperature rises of 1.2 degrees a decade, or the extinction of man by 2017, or the ipcc predictions of temperature warming.. None of them, NOT ONE has proven accurate.


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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/18/2016 9:19:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking of typical lefty bullshit engineering, which was the subject of discussion with me, joether and tklman a year or two back....

Turns out the solar facility that california was saying would suply 1/3 of its renewable requirements; that the Obama DoE provided a 1.6 billion dollar loan for. Well, of course it isn't working.

It produced half the energy promised, and a rate of 6 times a natural gas plant.

So lets just count the epic fails here.

1. It fries up to 28,000 birds a year.
2. It costs 6 times what NG power costs - 9 times what coal power costs.
3. Its delivering half the energy required.
4. It creates a problem for aviation
5. Requires WAY more space than a typical powerplant, (displacing plants that, yanno, suck up co2)
6. Costs double a regular power plant to build.
7. Provides no meaningful power for 3/4 of the day, requiring fossil fuel backup generators
and oh yeah.
5. Its going bankrupt.

As promised.


https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/03/18/government-backed-solar-plant-producing-only-a-fraction-of-the-energy-promised/

By the way - the other one of these plants (also underperforming, overcost) is burning natural gas to generate 1/4 of its power. Something about.. the sun not shining at night or when its cloudy so they need to use natural gas to heat the water.

Who knew, right?

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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/19/2016 2:57:46 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail


I seem to think the incompetence would lead one to walk into neuron reactors with paper and drywall.



Run into a lot of neuron reactors, do you? Perhaps you should look up the meaning of "neuron" before you opine on things over your grade level. Which apparently is kindergarden.

quote:


But let us consider empirical observations, because they are happening:
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2015/06/opinions/sutter-two-degrees-marshall-islands/
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-island-nations-could-be-underwater-in-as-little-as-fifty-years-2015-12
http://ecowatch.com/2015/05/22/maldives-underwater-climate-change/
http://www.ryot.org/island-nation-kiribati-preparing-mass-evacuation-underwater-soon/745509



Ah yes - explain to me please how one empirically observes things happening 50 years in the future....
So while you're looking up words - add empirically.



quote:


merely a smattering, but would tend to disagree with the atrocious spelling


Here's something else you should have learned in kindergarden. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Or in your case, run with pointed objects.

Or chew gum and well in your case.. do anything. Gum optional.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast-neutron_reactor

Yes, there is no doubt that neutron reactors exist, I dont run into them, but, as we all know, neurons created by fission are harmless it is not an atomic anything, somebody told us that, they cant make it through drywall or a piece of paper. It appears among the other grades you have never attended, kindergarten is first among them.


I am going to go out on a limb here, way out and suggest 50 years from the writing of this statement that to the earth the sun will appear to rise in the east and set in the west. And empirical observation. When I see water rising in my bathtub I can predict that without intervention it will continue to rise. When someone says stupid shit all the time, I can empirically observe it, and predict that they will continue to say stupid shit instead of realizing they are out of their class by a huge margin, and they should let go instead of doubling down on their foolish horseshit.

While there may be a misspelling or two due to the voluminous amount of actual fact I have had to explain to the untutored buffoons who spew the most ridiculous asswipe in their pretense at knowledgeable discourse, the fact is, that they probably found them by looking in dictionaries trying to understand what I was saying, that was so far above their heads, alas, they remain fucking retards.

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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/19/2016 12:00:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail


I seem to think the incompetence would lead one to walk into neuron reactors with paper and drywall.



Run into a lot of neuron reactors, do you? Perhaps you should look up the meaning of "neuron" before you opine on things over your grade level. Which apparently is kindergarden.

quote:


But let us consider empirical observations, because they are happening:
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2015/06/opinions/sutter-two-degrees-marshall-islands/
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-island-nations-could-be-underwater-in-as-little-as-fifty-years-2015-12
http://ecowatch.com/2015/05/22/maldives-underwater-climate-change/
http://www.ryot.org/island-nation-kiribati-preparing-mass-evacuation-underwater-soon/745509



Ah yes - explain to me please how one empirically observes things happening 50 years in the future....
So while you're looking up words - add empirically.



quote:


merely a smattering, but would tend to disagree with the atrocious spelling


Here's something else you should have learned in kindergarden. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Or in your case, run with pointed objects.

Or chew gum and well in your case.. do anything. Gum optional.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast-neutron_reactor

Yes, there is no doubt that neutron reactors exist, I dont run into them, but, as we all know, neurons created by fission are harmless it is not an atomic anything, somebody told us that, they cant make it through drywall or a piece of paper. It appears among the other grades you have never attended, kindergarten is first among them.


I am going to go out on a limb here, way out and suggest 50 years from the writing of this statement that to the earth the sun will appear to rise in the east and set in the west. And empirical observation. When I see water rising in my bathtub I can predict that without intervention it will continue to rise. When someone says stupid shit all the time, I can empirically observe it, and predict that they will continue to say stupid shit instead of realizing they are out of their class by a huge margin, and they should let go instead of doubling down on their foolish horseshit.

While there may be a misspelling or two due to the voluminous amount of actual fact I have had to explain to the untutored buffoons who spew the most ridiculous asswipe in their pretense at knowledgeable discourse, the fact is, that they probably found them by looking in dictionaries trying to understand what I was saying, that was so far above their heads, alas, they remain fucking retards.


When you 're making fun of people's spelling you shouldn't wax poetic about NEURON reactors. It makes you look like an idiotic spelling nazi. Oh wait - that's an accurate representation. Carry on.

Clearly you haven't looked up the definition of empirical. A prediction of the future is not an empirical observation. No matter how much you tap dance around, lie and behave like an honorless cunt.

You cannot observe the future. Well perhaps you can, with your crystal balls and tinfoil hat.


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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/19/2016 2:26:43 PM   
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Since it is a side issue, proving nothing, apropos of nothing and nobody remembers or has quoted the study heretofore or used it to buttress any argument and coupled with the atrocious spelling, and tertiated with no actual definition of variables and most of the equations alluded to, further demonstrated by facts that tell us the sea levels are rising, certainly as of late, lets just dismiss it as a really pathetic nothing.


Lol - so you - master of incomprehensible gibberish critique my spelling do you.

Lol - the fact that sea levels are rising is exactly new - how? It no doubt escaped your attention that the world was covered in ice sheets. The ice melting made our civilization possible.

The fact that ice melting raises sea levels isn't actually, yanno surprising. Its been happening for c9000 years. However, contrary to the gloom and doom prognosticators, also known as global warming alarmists, civilization has flourished, and will continue to flourish.

It would in fact be sea levels declining presaging another ice age that would actually cause great alarm. As for what you can't remember, try "seas rising fastest". Incompetent as you are - even you will find the breathless press releases.


No, you critiqued mine, dont cockgarlge where people can see you.
The sea is rising, we both admit that. it does not causually or corralate3 with civilization flourishing not even a nutsucker cockgarglling and felching rush limbaugh (even if they think that he is the newton of our time) could give a credible citation of that.

I know for a fact you were not around last ice age, and neither was any of your nutsucker retards, and cannot tie that to reality.

A rising tide lifts all boats, but nutsuckers are still gobblers of felch, put that in google.

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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/19/2016 2:29:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


I seem to think the incompetence would lead one to walk into neuron reactors with paper and drywall.



Run into a lot of neuron reactors, do you? Perhaps you should look up the meaning of "neuron" before you opine on things over your grade level. Which apparently is kindergarden.

quote:


But let us consider empirical observations, because they are happening:
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2015/06/opinions/sutter-two-degrees-marshall-islands/
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-island-nations-could-be-underwater-in-as-little-as-fifty-years-2015-12
http://ecowatch.com/2015/05/22/maldives-underwater-climate-change/
http://www.ryot.org/island-nation-kiribati-preparing-mass-evacuation-underwater-soon/745509



Ah yes - explain to me please how one empirically observes things happening 50 years in the future....
So while you're looking up words - add empirically.



quote:


merely a smattering, but would tend to disagree with the atrocious spelling


Here's something else you should have learned in kindergarden. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Or in your case, run with pointed objects.

Or chew gum and well in your case.. do anything. Gum optional.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast-neutron_reactor

Yes, there is no doubt that neutron reactors exist, I dont run into them, but, as we all know, neurons created by fission are harmless it is not an atomic anything, somebody told us that, they cant make it through drywall or a piece of paper. It appears among the other grades you have never attended, kindergarten is first among them.


I am going to go out on a limb here, way out and suggest 50 years from the writing of this statement that to the earth the sun will appear to rise in the east and set in the west. And empirical observation. When I see water rising in my bathtub I can predict that without intervention it will continue to rise. When someone says stupid shit all the time, I can empirically observe it, and predict that they will continue to say stupid shit instead of realizing they are out of their class by a huge margin, and they should let go instead of doubling down on their foolish horseshit.

While there may be a misspelling or two due to the voluminous amount of actual fact I have had to explain to the untutored buffoons who spew the most ridiculous asswipe in their pretense at knowledgeable discourse, the fact is, that they probably found them by looking in dictionaries trying to understand what I was saying, that was so far above their heads, alas, they remain fucking retards.


When you 're making fun of people's spelling you shouldn't wax poetic about NEURON reactors. It makes you look like an idiotic spelling nazi. Oh wait - that's an accurate representation. Carry on.

Clearly you haven't looked up the definition of empirical. A prediction of the future is not an empirical observation. No matter how much you tap dance around, lie and behave like an honorless cunt.

You cannot observe the future. Well perhaps you can, with your crystal balls and tinfoil hat.


oh, you have an alternate spelling of paper and drywall cockbreath? cuz you think your shit dont stink but your breath gives you away every time dicklick.







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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/19/2016 2:46:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


I seem to think the incompetence would lead one to walk into neuron reactors with paper and drywall.



Run into a lot of neuron reactors, do you? Perhaps you should look up the meaning of "neuron" before you opine on things over your grade level. Which apparently is kindergarden.

quote:


But let us consider empirical observations, because they are happening:
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2015/06/opinions/sutter-two-degrees-marshall-islands/
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-island-nations-could-be-underwater-in-as-little-as-fifty-years-2015-12
http://ecowatch.com/2015/05/22/maldives-underwater-climate-change/
http://www.ryot.org/island-nation-kiribati-preparing-mass-evacuation-underwater-soon/745509



Ah yes - explain to me please how one empirically observes things happening 50 years in the future....
So while you're looking up words - add empirically.



quote:


merely a smattering, but would tend to disagree with the atrocious spelling


Here's something else you should have learned in kindergarden. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Or in your case, run with pointed objects.

Or chew gum and well in your case.. do anything. Gum optional.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast-neutron_reactor

Yes, there is no doubt that neutron reactors exist, I dont run into them, but, as we all know, neurons created by fission are harmless it is not an atomic anything, somebody told us that, they cant make it through drywall or a piece of paper. It appears among the other grades you have never attended, kindergarten is first among them.


I am going to go out on a limb here, way out and suggest 50 years from the writing of this statement that to the earth the sun will appear to rise in the east and set in the west. And empirical observation. When I see water rising in my bathtub I can predict that without intervention it will continue to rise. When someone says stupid shit all the time, I can empirically observe it, and predict that they will continue to say stupid shit instead of realizing they are out of their class by a huge margin, and they should let go instead of doubling down on their foolish horseshit.

While there may be a misspelling or two due to the voluminous amount of actual fact I have had to explain to the untutored buffoons who spew the most ridiculous asswipe in their pretense at knowledgeable discourse, the fact is, that they probably found them by looking in dictionaries trying to understand what I was saying, that was so far above their heads, alas, they remain fucking retards.


When you 're making fun of people's spelling you shouldn't wax poetic about NEURON reactors. It makes you look like an idiotic spelling nazi. Oh wait - that's an accurate representation. Carry on.

Clearly you haven't looked up the definition of empirical. A prediction of the future is not an empirical observation. No matter how much you tap dance around, lie and behave like an honorless cunt.

You cannot observe the future. Well perhaps you can, with your crystal balls and tinfoil hat.


oh, you have an alternate spelling of paper and drywall cockbreath? cuz you think your shit dont stink but your breath gives you away every time dicklick.








Reaffirming that you are once again an honorless cunt. Notice that you left out the first criticism on spelling on post 122.

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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/19/2016 5:01:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Im trying to give this fuckstck a way to recoup his dignity, but he is a proud toiletlicker and is going to run it to ground.

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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/19/2016 8:16:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Speaking of typical lefty bullshit engineering, which was the subject of discussion with me, joether and tklman a year or two back....

Turns out the solar facility that california was saying would suply 1/3 of its renewable requirements; that the Obama DoE provided a 1.6 billion dollar loan for. Well, of course it isn't working.

It produced half the energy promised, and a rate of 6 times a natural gas plant.

So lets just count the epic fails here.

1. It fries up to 28,000 birds a year.
2. It costs 6 times what NG power costs - 9 times what coal power costs.
3. Its delivering half the energy required.
4. It creates a problem for aviation
5. Requires WAY more space than a typical powerplant, (displacing plants that, yanno, suck up co2)
6. Costs double a regular power plant to build.
7. Provides no meaningful power for 3/4 of the day, requiring fossil fuel backup generators
and oh yeah.
5. Its going bankrupt.

As promised.


https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/03/18/government-backed-solar-plant-producing-only-a-fraction-of-the-energy-promised/

By the way - the other one of these plants (also underperforming, overcost) is burning natural gas to generate 1/4 of its power. Something about.. the sun not shining at night or when its cloudy so they need to use natural gas to heat the water.

Who knew, right?


I know you tell the truth.

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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/19/2016 9:11:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am interested to know how solar power cells create a problem for aviation ? Also interested to know how those same cells fry 28,000 birds a year. Those cells GATHER solar energy and they radiate nothing. NOTHING at all, so how can they perform these anti-miracles ?
How do they cost more than any other power source (natural gas or coal )? They are passive and once installed, just need cleaning once a year or so.
How do they cost more than a regular power plant to build ? And even if there is a truthful answer for this, what are the running costs of solar power cells, compared to the running costs of those power plants ?Those cells gather power for about 12 hours a day (That's a half a day in my part of the world) and the storage facilities are expensive at the present time but getting less expensive by the month. But even with another form of backup power for the times when the sun don't shine, free energy is surely a lot cheaper than energy one has to pay for ? Our electricity bill is less than 25% of what it was before we had solar panels installed.
It DOES require more space for a solar field than a regular power-plant but once in place it is ecologically neutral.
Name calling rarely accomplishes anything but I have to say Ron, I think you have labelled fido totally correctly; in fact, maybe just a touch conservatively.

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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/19/2016 9:45:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Simply put: he's lying because he has a political agenda and he hates the idea that he is wrong. He hates the idea that there are people that are more intelligent than him so he latches onto the most absurd right wing conspiracy theories and sudeoscience claims to validate his intellectually lacking ideology, despite the fact that 94% of accredited climate and environmental researchers from around the world concur that Climate change is occuring due to human impacts. It's gone beyond the point of annoying to the point of being pathetic really.

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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/19/2016 9:51:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks TK....................There are solar farms going up all over the place here, as well as wind farms and experiments with wave-power ( we are a bit slow on the uptake with that one *smile*), but the things he said were way beyond bullshit, they were, as you said, total lies and if he cares to take a vacation in Aus one time, he would see that for himself and yes, we DO have a right wing government in power at this time, so he can see the solar farms and then go to Canberra and tell all those other grubs, that it's all a lie and those things don't really work.
Meanwhile, I will go on paying $100 every three months for my power bill as against $390 before we got solar panels on the roof.

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RE: So.. what moron said... - 3/19/2016 10:00:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only thing that makes sense is that solar panels do radiate some heat, all surfaces do since no surface is 100% efficient at capturing energy and converting it to electricity. But to say that they are major threats to avian life is completely absurd, after all there is considerable evidence that solar panels don't get any hotter than black coloured shingles, or even metal shingling does on most roofs. Wind turbines pose a greater threat to flight bound creatures for quite obvious reasons, but unless birds have a natural desire to land on warm objects, especially incredibly hot objects, you'd expect we'd have many more of them landing on our barbecues. Despite what Fido may think, birds in general are very smart creatures, and to assume that they can't learn that certain object are hot, especially solar panels which have never been proven to get hot enough to physically burn a person, let along birds which don't have skin nearly as sensitive as ours, is beyond ridiculous. Fido has proven time and again that no matter the topic, he's a right wing partisan hack who's only goal is to demonized everything the left stands for, regardless of whether there is scientific backing behind it or not. He might be working in the environmental industry, but his information is both out of date and muddled by his right wing politics which he worships like a god.

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