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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

I am interested to know how solar power cells create a problem for aviation ? Also interested to know how those same cells fry 28,000 birds a year. Those cells GATHER solar energy and they radiate nothing. NOTHING at all, so how can they perform these anti-miracles ?
How do they cost more than any other power source (natural gas or coal )? They are passive and once installed, just need cleaning once a year or so.
How do they cost more than a regular power plant to build ? And even if there is a truthful answer for this, what are the running costs of solar power cells, compared to the running costs of those power plants ?Those cells gather power for about 12 hours a day (That's a half a day in my part of the world) and the storage facilities are expensive at the present time but getting less expensive by the month. But even with another form of backup power for the times when the sun don't shine, free energy is surely a lot cheaper than energy one has to pay for ? Our electricity bill is less than 25% of what it was before we had solar panels installed.
It DOES require more space for a solar field than a regular power-plant but once in place it is ecologically neutral.
Name calling rarely accomplishes anything but I have to say Ron, I think you have labelled fido totally correctly; in fact, maybe just a touch conservatively.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

I am interested to know how solar power cells create a problem for aviation ? Also interested to know how those same cells fry 28,000 birds a year. Those cells GATHER solar energy and they radiate nothing. NOTHING at all, so how can they perform these anti-miracles ?
How do they cost more than any other power source (natural gas or coal )? They are passive and once installed, just need cleaning once a year or so.
How do they cost more than a regular power plant to build ? And even if there is a truthful answer for this, what are the running costs of solar power cells, compared to the running costs of those power plants ?Those cells gather power for about 12 hours a day (That's a half a day in my part of the world) and the storage facilities are expensive at the present time but getting less expensive by the month. But even with another form of backup power for the times when the sun don't shine, free energy is surely a lot cheaper than energy one has to pay for ? Our electricity bill is less than 25% of what it was before we had solar panels installed.
It DOES require more space for a solar field than a regular power-plant but once in place it is ecologically neutral.
Name calling rarely accomplishes anything but I have to say Ron, I think you have labelled fido totally correctly; in fact, maybe just a touch conservatively.

Well asshole, because, if you knew a damn thing about solar power plants you would know this ISN'T a powercell application. They take a few hectares of land - cover them with heliotropic mirrors, and then focus sunlight on a tower, which typically uses pressurized water or molten salt to then generate power via a turbine.


But of course, you'd rather call names rather than actually read an article.

As for "those cells gather power".. reiterating - pv cells are not in use here, and if there isn't adequate power to pressurize the water, or superheat the molten salt - no power gets generated...

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Simply put: he's lying because he has a political agenda and he hates the idea that he is wrong. He hates the idea that there are people that are more intelligent than him so he latches onto the most absurd right wing conspiracy theories and sudeoscience claims to validate his intellectually lacking ideology, despite the fact that 94% of accredited climate and environmental researchers from around the world concur that Climate change is occuring due to human impacts. It's gone beyond the point of annoying to the point of being pathetic really.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Simply put: he's lying because he has a political agenda and he hates the idea that he is wrong. He hates the idea that there are people that are more intelligent than him so he latches onto the most absurd right wing conspiracy theories and sudeoscience claims to validate his intellectually lacking ideology, despite the fact that 94% of accredited climate and environmental researchers from around the world concur that Climate change is occuring due to human impacts. It's gone beyond the point of annoying to the point of being pathetic really.

Simply put junior birdman, you engage in character assassination rather than read an article. The failure of these plants has been well documented and you can google it and find a 100 different cites for it.

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

One thing you could suggest to them TK is to use REAL birds of prey. No, I am not joking. A friend of mine in the village I lived in in England, won the football pools there one year, quit his job as a barber and bought a bunch of hawks that he trained( that had always been his hobby). Within a few months, he had a very lucrative contract with the Heathrow Airport Authority to fly his hawks there to keep the seagulls away. Apparantly it worked really well and he combined a good living with a hobby he really enjoyed.

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

I am interested to know how solar power cells create a problem for aviation ? Also interested to know how those same cells fry 28,000 birds a year. Those cells GATHER solar energy and they radiate nothing. NOTHING at all, so how can they perform these anti-miracles ?
How do they cost more than any other power source (natural gas or coal )? They are passive and once installed, just need cleaning once a year or so.
How do they cost more than a regular power plant to build ? And even if there is a truthful answer for this, what are the running costs of solar power cells, compared to the running costs of those power plants ?Those cells gather power for about 12 hours a day (That's a half a day in my part of the world) and the storage facilities are expensive at the present time but getting less expensive by the month. But even with another form of backup power for the times when the sun don't shine, free energy is surely a lot cheaper than energy one has to pay for ? Our electricity bill is less than 25% of what it was before we had solar panels installed.
It DOES require more space for a solar field than a regular power-plant but once in place it is ecologically neutral.
Name calling rarely accomplishes anything but I have to say Ron, I think you have labelled fido totally correctly; in fact, maybe just a touch conservatively.

Well asshole, because, if you knew a damn thing about solar power plants you would know this ISN'T a powercell application. They take a few hectares of land - cover them with heliotropic mirrors, and then focus sunlight on a tower, which typically uses pressurized water or molten salt to then generate power via a turbine.


But of course, you'd rather call names rather than actually read an article.

As for "those cells gather power".. reiterating - pv cells are not in use here, and if there isn't adequate power to pressurize the water, or superheat the molten salt - no power gets generated...

And yet the number of solar generators such as the one you're referring to are in the minority, there are less than 100 of these power stations worldwide. Smaller scale and localized solar panels are a much bigger market in the first place, not to mention the kind of solar factories you mention are typically located in locations with high levels of solar activity. I.E. deserts and other locations where avian acitivity is minimal when compared to other locations. Environments where the impact of these "solar factories" have a minimal impact on the local environment. Plus why are you so concerned about environment impacts when you're defending the use of fossil fuels which are warming the atmosphere and oceans and are causing a greater overall impact on various forms of life in general? Seems rather hypocritical to claim one impacts organisms and the other doesn't. But, oh wait, you don't care about facts. You just love the fact that oil is rather cheap right now and you don't want things to change. Pathetic.

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Simply put: he's lying because he has a political agenda and he hates the idea that he is wrong. He hates the idea that there are people that are more intelligent than him so he latches onto the most absurd right wing conspiracy theories and sudeoscience claims to validate his intellectually lacking ideology, despite the fact that 94% of accredited climate and environmental researchers from around the world concur that Climate change is occuring due to human impacts. It's gone beyond the point of annoying to the point of being pathetic really.

Simply put junior birdman, you engage in character assassination rather than read an article. The failure of these plants has been well documented and you can google it and find a 100 different cites for it.

There is always a cost with any project senior birdbrain, the fact that you can't understand that is quite narrow minded. However the cost benefit analysis with regards to environmental impacts makes projects such as these much more environmentally friendly when compared to the global impacts of human induced climate change. You're comparing localized environmental impacts to global environmental impacts. It's like comparing an infected nail to cancer, it's far from the same in terms of threat to life.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

I am interested to know how solar power cells create a problem for aviation ? Also interested to know how those same cells fry 28,000 birds a year. Those cells GATHER solar energy and they radiate nothing. NOTHING at all, so how can they perform these anti-miracles ?
How do they cost more than any other power source (natural gas or coal )? They are passive and once installed, just need cleaning once a year or so.
How do they cost more than a regular power plant to build ? And even if there is a truthful answer for this, what are the running costs of solar power cells, compared to the running costs of those power plants ?Those cells gather power for about 12 hours a day (That's a half a day in my part of the world) and the storage facilities are expensive at the present time but getting less expensive by the month. But even with another form of backup power for the times when the sun don't shine, free energy is surely a lot cheaper than energy one has to pay for ? Our electricity bill is less than 25% of what it was before we had solar panels installed.
It DOES require more space for a solar field than a regular power-plant but once in place it is ecologically neutral.
Name calling rarely accomplishes anything but I have to say Ron, I think you have labelled fido totally correctly; in fact, maybe just a touch conservatively.

Well asshole, because, if you knew a damn thing about solar power plants you would know this ISN'T a powercell application. They take a few hectares of land - cover them with heliotropic mirrors, and then focus sunlight on a tower, which typically uses pressurized water or molten salt to then generate power via a turbine.


But of course, you'd rather call names rather than actually read an article.

As for "those cells gather power".. reiterating - pv cells are not in use here, and if there isn't adequate power to pressurize the water, or superheat the molten salt - no power gets generated...

And yet the number of solar generators such as the one you're referring to are in the minority, there are less than 100 of these power stations worldwide. Smaller scale and localized solar panels are a much bigger market in the first place, not to mention the kind of solar factories you mention are typically located in locations with high levels of solar activity. I.E. deserts and other locations where avian acitivity is minimal when compared to other locations. Environments where the impact of these "solar factories" have a minimal impact on the local environment. Plus why are you so concerned about environment impacts when you're defending the use of fossil fuels which are warming the atmosphere and oceans and are causing a greater overall impact on various forms of life in general? Seems rather hypocritical to claim one impacts organisms and the other doesn't. But, oh wait, you don't care about facts. You just love the fact that oil is rather cheap right now and you don't want things to change. Pathetic.

Oh, by which you are conceding that you were completely incorrect in your original post. And rather than admitting it you engage in further character assassination.

So, brilliant birdman - do you understand that chinese companies were dumping solar panels in the US market far below price to produce? That the US opened a trade dispute vs china on this very matter?

Do you know that no such a luminary as Warren Buffet (liberal icon) has said - that if it were not for tax incentives, solar and wind farms would make no sense whatsoever?

Why am I concerned about environmental impacts? Because unlike you, I actually care about actual science, and actual wildlife.
For example - your beloved windfarms are killing more than a million golden eagles a year in the US. The fine to kill one is $10K. For killing 38 of these protected species - as well as 336 other protected species - and oregon wind farm will be paying 2.5 million. And its only just starting.

http://savetheeaglesinternational.org/new/us-windfarms-kill-10-20-times-more-than-previously-thought.html
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/01/09/wind-power-co-pay-25-million-killing-golden-eagles-other-protected-birds-158633

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Simply put: he's lying because he has a political agenda and he hates the idea that he is wrong. He hates the idea that there are people that are more intelligent than him so he latches onto the most absurd right wing conspiracy theories and sudeoscience claims to validate his intellectually lacking ideology, despite the fact that 94% of accredited climate and environmental researchers from around the world concur that Climate change is occuring due to human impacts. It's gone beyond the point of annoying to the point of being pathetic really.

Simply put junior birdman, you engage in character assassination rather than read an article. The failure of these plants has been well documented and you can google it and find a 100 different cites for it.

There is always a cost with any project senior birdbrain, the fact that you can't understand that is quite narrow minded. However the cost benefit analysis with regards to environmental impacts makes projects such as these much more environmentally friendly when compared to the global impacts of human induced climate change. You're comparing localized environmental impacts to global environmental impacts. It's like comparing an infected nail to cancer, it's far from the same in terms of threat to life.

Yeah? You got any cites for that - or just your usual wishful thinking?

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


Asshole most certainly applies to you.