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joether -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 8:44:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic And fucking ignorant to think you can just wipe out a billion people. Jew is a race. Give me the physical characteristics of a Jew. How would I tell them apart from anyone else? Be very detailed! quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Discrediting a belief system is not wiping out a billion people. You would bring freedom to a billion people who will finally have choice. Liberals have been discrediting the conservative belief system for years now. What has happened? Conservatives have become more and more extremist in their views and words. Even now, they are deciding on whom should represent them in the GOP nomination: A Pro-NAZI or a Traitor to the United States of America. Ten years ago, conservatives would have never allowed either to get so far or be taken seriously! Twenty years ago, conservative media wasn't really a 'thing'. It was a concept created by extreme individuals whom were brainwashing conservatives to view anything outside of their 'religion' as evil. Fast forward those twenty years, and conservatives only view conservative media for their 'facts' and 'evidence' (which is often debunked by journalists on a daily basis). The planet has tried to wipe out the concept of NAZI's since the end of world war two. Scientists have tried to educated the stupid and moronic on many concepts in science: Theory of Evolution, Theory of Climate Change, etc. Democrats have tried to show how supporting things for the poor and middle class are better options than giving the super rich and mega-corporations total power. Or have you not seen the throngs of gun nuts whom can not understand the President's viewpoint on background checks only being about background checks and not 'taking away guns'? quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 As with Nazism, we discredited it. It was a belief system that promoted negative beliefs and the world discredited it and condemned it. There are fewer Nazis in the world today. Almost miniscue. When Nazism was discredited, the world brought freedom to Jews, who the Nazis were oppressing. Freedom to the Jews? That's why we gave them free land in the Middle East, right? They didn't have to fight for it. In fact, the Arabs were very welcoming of those poor Jews. With open arms and many kisses, right? Maybe you should check the history books on that one.... Nazism is alive and well. They tend to vote Republican and Tea Party. Basically, anyone that will reduce the federal government's power enough for them to operate more openly without threat. They enjoy the Tea Party, since most of those people are either uninformed or misinformed on subjects. Easy to manipulate and control. quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 It's possible. And I see Islam as oppressing people into being Muslims. They have no choice, those born in Muslim countries. If the US Government was not around (or limited), I wouldn't be surprised if Southern Baptists and Fundamentalist 'christians' were telling US Citizens "convert or die!". If you believe only one religion is capable of tyranny your an idiot! Any religion, when in the hands of individuals that are evil, can do untold terrors without fear of prosecution. Or did you forget the running joke of Catholic Priests and little kids behind closed doors and off the record? How about those Branch Davidians in Waco, TX? I'm sure the adults would have allowed the children to decide on their own whether to follow the religious viewpoints of their elders, right? quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I know because you guys are in a western world where freedom of religion is assured to everyone, but none of those Muslims were given that same freedom in their Islamic Politically runned system. I don't know why you are all in denial about that. Is Japan counted as "in the western world"? They have Freedom of Religion. How about Israel? Is Israel in the West? India? 'Freedom of Religion' is not a concept for only the United States of America. Many countries have the concept. Some just handle it better than others. If 'freedom of religion' was 'a given', explain why it took the GLBT community over forty years to gain the right to marriage in the United States? Why it needed court orders to accomplish things? Up until ten years ago, it was only allowed in a handful of states.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 8:48:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Facepalm as always with you, Greta. No, we just need people to stop being Islamist terrorists. I don't know why everybody is in denial about Islamist Terrorism came from the Quran?? Those beliefs originated from there! We shouldn't be supporting those beliefs! To me, Muslims also have a choice to pick and choose what they want to follow in that book. All the more important to acknowledge the book is evil teachings. So when they make the choice, it is clear what is bad in the book and what is good. Just like Christians. Christians get condemned to high heaven about their bible and negative things in there. Makes Christians more peaceful and make them stick to the kinder verses. Same needs to be done towards the Muslims. Christians in this nation are just like Muslims when it comes to committing great evils upon the people: kept from doing such by the US Government. That big government that so many whom would do such things, keeps them from doing it. There are plenty of 'christian' individuals and groups that would use terror and fear onto other people if the US Government were not in operation. They would go after anyone whom did not convert to their way of thinking. In essence, become exactly what those extremists Muslims have in parts of Iraq and Syrian now called ISIS. ISIS could flourish because the government in those areas is neither big nor powerful. But we have extreme 'christian' groups and individuals here in the states. And the US Government keeps them on a very short leash. The moment anyone gets out of line, they are dragged to a court house to face charges. So these 'christians' have everything to gain by convincing people that the US Government should be made very limited and not so powerful as it exists now. Again with bullshit. Of the 250-some suicide-terror bombings last year, how many were done by Christian extremists? Yes, there are extreme Christian groups. And if it's ONLY the U. S. Government's short leash that keeps them at bay...keeps them from becoming violent, why doesn't that same government put the same type of leash on street gangs? the Nation of Islam? Etc, etc

bounty44 -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 12:32:10 PM)
no offense at all cd, because i do it too, but its increasingly mind boggling that we even take the time, effort and energy to respond to people who think such things. I just wanna put joether's comments back out there for everyone to see and so my comments and question will have some context and make sense: "Even now, [conservatives] are deciding on whom should represent them in the GOP nomination: A Pro-NAZI or a Traitor to the United States of America." "Twenty years ago, conservative media wasn't really a 'thing'. It was a concept created by extreme individuals whom were brainwashing conservatives to view anything outside of their 'religion' as evil." "Nazism is alive and well. They tend to vote Republican and Tea Party. Basically, anyone that will reduce the federal government's power enough for them to operate more openly without threat." "If the US Government was not around (or limited), I wouldn't be surprised if Southern Baptists and Fundamentalist 'christians' were telling US Citizens "convert or die!"" "Christians in this nation are just like Muslims when it comes to committing great evils upon the people: kept from doing such by the US Government. That big government that so many whom would do such things, keeps them from doing it. " have you ever paused, taken a step back, and considered how off the wall your thoughts are? one wonders if you actually believe this tripe, or are being perversely provocative? or if your fellow comrades are in sync with you on those things or if they rather cringe inside whenever you get rolling.

NorthernGent -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 1:50:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Anyway, I've already said, my solution will never be implemented by the world. And you guys accuse me of not understanding how the world works. I clearly understand how the world works, that's why I say my plan will never be implemented by the world. You have it the wrong way 'round. You have no clue as to 'how the world works' and that's why no-one will ever be remotely interested in implementing your plan or even what your plan is.

PeonForHer -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 2:49:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer FR You don't have to get rid of a religion - any religion. All you have to do is, bit by bit, cover it in oil so it slots in better. As people find their lives more congenial in this or that society, with its latest freedoms and its burgeoning economy, they begin to reinterpret, massage, or outright ignore more and more of their holy books such that said holy books fit better with people's more comfy lives. This bit of the relevant holy book is newly seen to be central; that bit - once crucial - is now relegated to the periphery. That's what happened to Christianity (and Islam, too, in most parts of the world). The jagged edges in the Bible and the Koran got sanded away, without people ever having to say they were 'no longer Christians', or 'no longer Muslims'. That's how you do it. How do you solve the problem of Muslims living in Muslim countries unable to convert out of Islam? You solution works only in the western world. People who grew up in Western world will also adopt western value and if they find that they like it, they may find it incompatible with Islam. It's an environment where it's more friendly to ditch it. But it doesn't save the Muslims in Muslim countries. It does and already has. There have been many, many examples going back as far as individual nations have wanted to cooperate with each other for mutual advantage. Essentially, you offer the goodies of international trade and influence on world politics in return for nations falling in line with certain requirements as to how they conduct themselves in various spheres. Thus, for instance, the mainly Muslim state of Turkey has made all sorts of changes in order to achieve better relations with the European Union. What this translates to, re the religion of Islam itself, is an erosion of those fundamental tenets that basically rub up other nations the wrong way. Even the mighty Saudi Arabia, despite all its economic power, is feeling the pressure now from the world community, now. Iran, the other main Muslim power in the Middle East and SA's contender, is suddenly having better relations with the USA (and the West in general) and this adds greatly to the pressure on SA. Nations learn which side their bread's buttered, sooner or later.

PeonForHer -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 2:58:03 PM)
quote: Anyway, I've already said, my solution will never be implemented by the world. And you guys accuse me of not understanding how the world works. It seems to me that you work on the assumption that a given religion determines everything that a person - or a nation - is and does. That's hopelessly simplistic. It takes no account of the factors of politics, economics, society or culture. Throughout history the Christian religion has been adapted to serve the latest aims: in order to pursue 'just wars'; in order to accumulate wealth - to name just two examples - so why would Islam be any different?

Kirata -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 4:01:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 have you ever paused, taken a step back, and considered how off the wall your thoughts are? Actually he has. But he concluded that the people suffering from paranoid schizophrenia were them, not him. K.

thompsonx -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 4:01:48 PM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 There is nothing wrong in convincing people to abandon their faith. There is little chance anyone will convince you to abandon your faith of hatred for islam. People switch religions all the time! You are full of shit. Most people die adhearing to the religion they were born into. Muslims are enslaved in their faith because Muslim countries prosecute them from abandoning their faith. We need to free them! You must have a turd in your pocket. There is no we here, just your hatred. "Free Muslims from Islam" should be my new slogan! I thought that was your old slogan Also, I hate their beliefs and the evil religion they support. I hate their treatment of women. I hate that their religion teach their husbands to beat their wives. Then perhaps you should not become one...pretty simple ehh??? I hate seeing women being forced to cover up when they should have the freedom to wear whatever they want. But you claim to live in a third world shithole that does that very thing. I have posted the laws of singapore which forbid such behaviour. I hate women being raped and then stoned for being raped. When they convert out, they are no longer the enemy. And I cannot believe how many people support these atrocities a religion brings and defend an evil ideology. I akin it to people defending Nazism. But you contiunally defend nazism. And guess what? I am sure good Nazis exist too. Some even marry other races. I knew a Hispanic American girl who was married to a Nazi male, and she used to cry to me that she doesn't understand how he could say all these horrible things about people of her race when he loves her and she's of that race. Only the graduates of the university of dumbass think hispanic is a race. And their son is half of that race. But am I gonna stop condemning Nazism because good Nazis exist? No! You claim to be an atheletic supporter of nazism. At core, everyone is still a human being, capable for both good and bad. But when they support evil beliefs that take away freedom from others. I think it deserves heavy condemnation. That is one reason why you are so roundly condemed. You believe in oppression of others in the name of $$$$$. That would make you a good nazi but a bad person.

thompsonx -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 4:06:15 PM)
And I don't eat beef myself. I hate the smell of it, and it makes me puke, but I will sit down around friends who eat beef, and I will eat with them. How do they feel about you puking at the diner table?

thompsonx -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 4:08:35 PM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 It's pretty weird again. I would assume there is a stronger left movement from the west who are fiercely defending Muslims from their stereotypes. Especially Europe. Super Leftist Continent! Are you being forced to go to europe? If not then why are you bitching about what they do in their own countries?

thompsonx -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 4:11:39 PM)
ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 You have to forgive Greta - she lives in such an insular environment that the whole country's population is just over half that of London. She really has no clue on how the rest of the planet works. I would bet a nickle that she lives in idaho.

thompsonx -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 4:18:26 PM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 Jew is a race. You must have graduated from the university of dumbass. Muslim is not race. Please do not confuse the issue. The sky is blue and the whale is the largest sea mamal. You have a pretty good grasp of the obvious.[8\|] Discrediting a belief system is not wiping out a billion people. You would bring freedom to a billion people who will finally have choice. Why is that my job? As with Nazism, we discredited it. Then why do you continue to defend it?

thompsonx -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 4:20:39 PM)
ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant Of the 250-some suicide-terror bombings last year, how many were done by Christian extremists? Which christian country invaded the sandbox and killed how many people since 1992?

PeonForHer -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 4:44:18 PM)
quote: Nazism is alive and well. They tend to vote Republican and Tea Party. I'd not put it that way. Nazism had a lot of components to it, some of which are lacking in the USA today. But the worst and most dangerous parts - they're absolutely there, to my mind. Stupid, simple, prejudiced and aggressive people who want stupid, simple, prejudiced and aggressive solutions to all the world's ills - they're abundant in the USA, from what I've seen. Trump and his nasty, thick, ugly-minded supporters are a fucking menace to the rest of the world - and some of the other Republican presidential candidates aren't much better. Yes, I'll agree with that. I don't know anybody at all this side of the pond (or indeed the non-American English speaking world) who wouldn't, actually.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 5:34:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant Of the 250-some suicide-terror bombings last year, how many were done by Christian extremists? Which christian country invaded the sandbox and killed how many people since 1992? Hello, Joether II...care to answer the question asked? Or do you plan on making hit and runs like the original?

thompsonx -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 5:41:25 PM)
ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant Of the 250-some suicide-terror bombings last year, how many were done by Christian extremists? Which christian country invaded the sandbox and killed how many people since 1992? Hello, Joether II...care to answer the question asked? Or do you plan on making hit and runs like the original? I have no idea what you are talking about. If bombing the shit out of civilians is not terror bombing then I don't know what the phoque is. That our pilots and drone operators don't suicide is hardly relevant.

Trucker6254 -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 5:53:35 PM)
Wait.....what? ? ? Nazi's vote Republican and Tea Party? Nazi is short for Nationalists answer Socialists. That is what the Democrat party is famous for. You might get your facts straight before you shoot off your mouth.

thompsonx -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 5:57:49 PM)
ORIGINAL: Trucker6254 Wait.....what? ? ? Nazi's vote Republican and Tea Party? Nazi is short for Nationalists answer Socialists. That is what the Democrat party is famous for. You might get your facts straight before you shoot off your mouth. You might try learning how to post properly dumbass. I did not say that. That said welcome to the boards.[:D] Now learn how to properly address your responses.

Lucylastic -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 5:59:48 PM)
do fucking what? thats your second post and WHAT? "nazi is short for nationalists answer socialists" Did you leave your brain at the door? As you seem to be factless and clueless, Ill give you a chance to back up your delusion. But im not holding out much hope.

ifmaz -> RE: Charlie Hebdo racist cartoon. (1/17/2016 7:04:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Trucker6254 Wait.....what? ? ? Nazi's vote Republican and Tea Party? Nazi is short for Nationalists answer Socialists. That is what the Democrat party is famous for. You might get your facts straight before you shoot off your mouth. You might try learning how to post properly dumbass. ... Ignoring the rich irony in your statement, I'm assuming he meant Nazi is short for "Nationalsozialist" or "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei". As joether apparently believes the conservative group regularly votes for pro-Nazi-like laws, I'm assuming Trucker is citing the socialist tendencies of the democratic party and equating them to Nazis.

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