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ifmaz -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/19/2016 8:08:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: ifmaz

I don't trust you so you must prove to me you are capable of expressing your First Amendment rights properly or I will take them away.

What do we do with people who shout fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire?


Do you mean "how do we punish someone after they've broken the law"? Because I'm reasonably certain that's not the solution joether is aiming at (no pun intended).




itsSIRtou -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/19/2016 8:34:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Yeah, the NRA decides not to attend a townhall where the participants are chosen by a pro gun control group, where the moderator already has enumerated pro-gun positions, where the president has already in numerated pro gun control positions, and CNN is pro gun control.

And the NRA should want to go why?


Oh I don't know.... Maybe show that all their fear-mongering isnt just that? Or just another way to drive up the stock of gun company's?

Seriously, IF the gun lobby is so damn correct, it should of been able to walk in with best jock strap on and prove it. Even if they thought it was a set up.

Or is it only that ballsy when it has a gun in its hand? Or you gun lovers big mouths to spew with?





Or maybe they could say .. the time would be better spent raising money, and motivating NRA voters, and defeating whatever idiots the democrats nominate.



yea,.... like they did the last 2 elections...

And ya don't think that by having the balls to join in the conversation might give them a chance to covert their naysayers by doing so?

Or maybe show that y'all aren't the brainwashed people you infer we are?

Nope, "maniac" money tigers only. And the President is smarter than nra 5th graders.





We're the brainwashed idiots?
Terrorist act.. promote gun control.
Deflation.. promote gun control.
Tuesday.. promote gun control.


As for the last two elections - it seems to have escaped your attention - but they have been the best republican showing since 1929.



But not the Presidential elections. Obama handed the GOP its ass more the second time around. And with the shutdown, the time waste of 100's of votes against the AHCA, and still..... just the party of no.

brainwashed?...... so much u cant see any other way to live without having instant death on your hip. Even though the odds are better that you accidentally kill a family member than protect them.
So much that you cant see that you are as much the supplier to what you fear, as much as u hate what u fear.

political campaign... Promote gun buying
BLM protests... Promote gun buying
Terrorist act.. promote gun buying.
Deflation.. promote gun buying.
Tuesday.. promote gun buying.
weekends... promote gun buying at gun shows.


yea, brainwashed works. a Maladaptive Culture is better.

"idiots" is your description. I didn't say that, but I'll kindly not disagree.









Kirata -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/19/2016 10:15:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

shit even your sorry ass will take one look at a Black Man fighting with one of your own kind and in that spit second shoot Me first...

None of u with a gun are safe to be around.

In 2014, 90% of the blacks who died in single victim/single offender homicides were killed by other blacks, and the percentage of whites who were murdered by blacks was double that of the reverse. But, of course, I'm only talking about here on Earth. Things may be different where you live.

FBI Uniform Crime Reports

K.




CreativeDominant -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/19/2016 11:37:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

shit even your sorry ass will take one look at a Black Man fighting with one of your own kind and in that spit second shoot Me first...

None of u with a gun are safe to be around.

In 2014, 90% of the blacks who died in single victim/single offender homicides were killed by other blacks, and the percentage of whites who were murdered by blacks was double that of the reverse. But, of course, I'm only talking about here on Earth. Things may be different where you live.

FBI Uniform Crime Reports

K.

Dammit Nana, that doesn't fit his narrative. Only white men with guns are murderers.




DesideriScuri -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/20/2016 3:10:02 AM)

FR,

Don't want to own a gun?

Conservative: Don't own a gun.

Liberal: No one can own a gun.

And, yes, those are generalities, so treat them as such.




thompsonx -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/20/2016 3:43:39 AM)


ORIGINAL: ifmaz

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


I don't trust you so you must prove to me you are capable of expressing your First Amendment rights properly or I will take them away.

What do we do with people who shout fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire?


Do you mean "how do we punish someone after they've broken the law"?

I meant what I said.
The answer to the question I posited is that we curtail their first ammendment rights both before and after the fact. The law exists not only to punish but to prevent the abuse of a right...liberty is not license.


Because I'm reasonably certain that's not the solution joether is aiming at (no pun intended).

Joe's issue is trying to legislate against a non issue. Or as has sometimes been stated "he is a man with a paper asshole trying to fight a forest fire"




thompsonx -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/20/2016 3:45:21 AM)

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

FR,

Don't want to own a gun?

Conservative: Don't own a gun.

Liberal: No one can own a gun.

And, yes, those are generalities, so treat them as such.

Actually they are not generalities, they are a false premise followed by false conclusions.




bounty44 -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/20/2016 1:32:20 PM)

so just curious there---is the premise you are contesting restricted to guns, or is it the larger premise having to do with liberals wanting to ban things for everyone that they themselves don't like?




mnottertail -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/20/2016 1:51:36 PM)

nutsuckers, voters
nutsuckers, healthcare
nutsuckers, veterans health
nutsuckers, planned parenthood
nutsuckers, campaign finance reform
nutsuckers, clean water
nutsuckers, clean air

nutsuckers are generally not viewed as liberal, rather as feebleminded felchers.





ifmaz -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/20/2016 5:35:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: ifmaz

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


I don't trust you so you must prove to me you are capable of expressing your First Amendment rights properly or I will take them away.

What do we do with people who shout fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire?


Do you mean "how do we punish someone after they've broken the law"?

I meant what I said.
The answer to the question I posited is that we curtail their first ammendment rights both before and after the fact. The law exists not only to punish but to prevent the abuse of a right...liberty is not license.


Because I'm reasonably certain that's not the solution joether is aiming at (no pun intended).

Joe's issue is trying to legislate against a non issue. Or as has sometimes been stated "he is a man with a paper asshole trying to fight a forest fire"



There is no way to legislate away the ability of someone to shout "fire" in a crowded theater.




Kirata -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/20/2016 5:50:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

There is no way to legislate away the ability of someone to shout "fire" in a crowded theater.

Nevertheless, we don't want mentally unstable people in a theater gossiping with each other or talking on their cell phones while the movie is playing. There should be some kind of background check. If you don't qualify, you're not allowed to have a tongue.

K.





ifmaz -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/20/2016 5:54:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

There is no way to legislate away the ability of someone to shout "fire" in a crowded theater.

Nevertheless, we don't want mentally unstable people in a theater gossiping with each other or talking on their cell phones while the movie is playing. There should be some kind of background check. If you don't qualify, you're not allowed to have a tongue.

K.




I think we should protect the First Amendment by using common-sense laws.

Anyone selling religious texts must be authorized to do so by the government
It's common sense to have persons selling religious material that may advocate the use of violence be vetted by the US Government. We cannot have random people selling violent religious text to others without the sellers being authorized to do so!

No one may read more than 10 pages of religious text at time
Those who use religion to perpetrate violence read many, many verses from their religious texts. By limiting the reading to 10 pages at a time, we can ensure people only read a limited amount of potentially incendiary ideas. These people will then be less likely to inflict violence on Americans.

Purchasing religious texts requires a background check
Because religious texts may advocate the use of violence, it's common sense to require the purchase to be verified by the US Government. A division of the government will perform background checks on purchasers to ensure they are not violent offenders or potential terrorists.




Phydeaux -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/20/2016 6:00:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

But not the Presidential elections. Obama handed the GOP its ass more the second time around. And with the shutdown, the time waste of 100's of votes against the AHCA, and still..... just the party of no.

brainwashed?...... so much u cant see any other way to live without having instant death on your hip. Even though the odds are better that you accidentally kill a family member than protect them.
So much that you cant see that you are as much the supplier to what you fear, as much as u hate what u fear.

political campaign... Promote gun buying
BLM protests... Promote gun buying
Terrorist act.. promote gun buying.
Deflation.. promote gun buying.
Tuesday.. promote gun buying.
weekends... promote gun buying at gun shows.


yea, brainwashed works. a Maladaptive Culture is better.



Yep, I'm quite happy with the party of no. Wish we had more of it. No obamacare. No EPA rulings. No global warming twaddle.
No campaign finance reform. No illegal immigration. No jihad invasion.





Tkman117 -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/20/2016 6:24:46 PM)

Just to add: No civil freedom, no peace, no personal safety, no lack of fear, no equality, no middle class, no clean air, no clean water, no savings, no compromise, no understanding, no tolerance, no intelligence, no common sense, really the list can go on and on and on...




bounty44 -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/20/2016 6:39:34 PM)

just to be clear, you honestly think all those things are hallmarks of the left and that their existence is only manifested because we have liberals??

looking forward to a rational argument as well as historical documentation for all that...although, that is a pretty tall order. how about you just pick three or four and have at it?

while youre at it, do some reading on demagoguery?

im not sure you took that "academically embarrassing" statement I recently made to you to heart did you?






Tkman117 -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/20/2016 6:49:58 PM)

Well they do call the left "progressive" for a reason. And I'm not wasting any more time on explaining history to an old man, I've already wasted enough time with old man Phydeaux on the other forum. I've got actual work to do, so if you'll excuse me...




bounty44 -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/20/2016 6:51:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Well they do call the left "progressive" for a reason. And I'm not wasting any more time on explaining history to an old man, I've already wasted enough time with old man Phydeaux on the other forum. I've got actual work to do, so if you'll excuse me...


just when I thought you couldn't look any more foolish...




Tkman117 -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/20/2016 6:58:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Well they do call the left "progressive" for a reason. And I'm not wasting any more time on explaining history to an old man, I've already wasted enough time with old man Phydeaux on the other forum. I've got actual work to do, so if you'll excuse me...


just when I thought you couldn't look any more foolish...


Says the old man arguing DAILY with people who won't have their minds changed. I come here because it's entertaining to watch people go at each other, and to jump in to add something here or there or attempt to talk some sense into idiots who either fail to understand science or are willfully ignorant about it for political reasons. If anything is foolish, it's the amount of time you and the others waste on a forum where nothing constructive ever comes of this kind of bickering.




Kirata -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/20/2016 7:39:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Well they do call the left "progressive" for a reason.

To confuse the British?

America, we need to have a talk about the word "progressive"

K.




Phydeaux -> RE: The NRA Conspiracy (1/20/2016 9:30:43 PM)

That article was good enough to bear quoting in full:
thanks to a quirk of American English, it has long been difficult for people who believe in personal freedom to describe themselves without risking confusion. In Britain, the word ‘liberal’ is still more likely to evoke thoughts of liberty rather than visions of socialism, but this is being gradually worn away by the influence of political rhetoric from the US, where a tipping point occurred many decades ago. By the time Kenneth Minogue wrote his classic critical appraisal, The Liberal Mind (1963), the word had long since been lost to the American left.

Today, Americans who espouse personal and economic liberty have to settle for terms like libertarian, classical liberal or neoliberal. This is slightly irksome to British liberals, but we get our own back by calling private schools ‘public schools’ and talking about smoking fags. In the great scheme of things, perhaps it doesn’t really matter. We understand that liberals and conservatives are the two main factions in American politics and we can predict the views of each with reasonable accuracy.

The word ‘progressive’, however, is a different beast. In the US, it is virtually a synonym for ‘liberal’ (in the corrupted sense of the word), whereas in the UK every major political party, with the possible exception of UKIP, describes itself as progressive. David Cameron describes himself as a ‘progressive Conservative’ and Nick Clegg says that he and his coalition partners are the ‘new progressives’. The socialists, meanwhile, hope to form a ‘progressive majority’ to defeat the government. The word is near meaningless. At best, it implies a vague belief in modernity and pragmatism. At worst, it implies a self-satisfied conviction that one’s policies are the way of the future (and what politician doesn’t believe that?).

In the US, the progressive cause has a firmer definition and a longer history (a history from which policies such as prohibition and eugenics have been largely written out). To see what the word progressive means today, consider the city of Berkeley, California. According to Robert Reich, a professor at UC Berkeley, it is ‘the most progressive city in America’. It has also been described as a ‘liberal bastion’. How liberal is it? So liberal that it is illegal to smoke a cigarette in your own flat (sorry, ‘apartment’) and, at the city’s university, it is against the rules to chew tobacco or use e-cigarettes anywhere at all, including in the open air.

Berkeley is also seriously considering a tax on sugar-sweetened beverages – aka a ‘soda tax’. A public vote will settle the matter next month, and, in the view of Robert Reich, ‘if a soda tax can’t pass in the most progressive city in America, it can’t pass anywhere’.

Consider that statement for a moment. If you didn’t know what the word ‘progressive’ meant – and you knew nothing about Berkeley – what could you infer from the context? If the sentence was changed to ‘if a soda tax can’t pass in the most oppressive city in America, it can’t pass anywhere’, it would make sense. If words like ‘tax-hungry’, ‘anti-business’, ‘puritanical’ or ‘illiberal’ were substituted for ‘progressive’, it would still read correctly.

If, however, the sentence was changed to ‘if a soda tax can’t pass in the most tolerant city in America, it can’t pass anywhere’, it would be incongruous. Words like ‘permissive’, ‘libertarian’, ‘easygoing’ and ‘broad-minded’ would also be confusing substitutes for ‘progressive’ in this context, and yet these are all adjectives that appear in the thesaurus under the word ‘liberal’. From this we might conclude either that soda taxes are not terribly liberal or that progressives are not terribly liberal. Or both.

In economics, unlike politics, the word ‘progressive’ has a fixed meaning. A progressive tax is one that takes a larger share of income from the rich than from the poor. The alternative is a regressive tax, one that takes a larger share of income from the poor than from the rich. Taxes on fizzy drinks are highly and indisputably regressive, not only because the rate of tax is the same for all income groups, but also because the poor tend to consume more of them in the first place. So while it is true that Berkeley is a bellwether city when it comes to eye-catching ‘public health’ initiatives, the adoption of punitive taxes on soft drinks would be a step towards it becoming America’s most regressive, not progressive, city in economic terms.

This is what confuses us, America. If a ‘liberal bastion’ – your ‘most progressive city’ – is one in which the government effectively fines people for drinking the wrong type of soft drink, what on earth are your illiberal bastions like?




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