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Income Taxes and Voting - 1/21/2016 3:10:22 PM

KenDckey

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Sitting here with my H&R Block Tax Program for 2015. It requires you to provide your Driverslicense Number, Date of Issue, Date of Expiration and state. State ID is acceptable.

If you have to have ID to file taxes, why not vote? This is a new 2015 tax year requirement.

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RE: Income Taxes and Voting - 1/21/2016 3:16:59 PM

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So, if I don't have an ID, I don't have to file taxes? Wootels!

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RE: Income Taxes and Voting - 1/21/2016 3:21:20 PM

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LOL Just don't get caught. LOL

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RE: Income Taxes and Voting - 1/21/2016 3:27:37 PM

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ken just to clarify, are you sure its not H&R that's requiring the ID, and not the federal tax forms themselves?

I can see the federal government requiring tax preparer's to require ID, but not people doing their own forms.

I imagine there are all sorts of people who don't have drivers licenses or state identifications.

on a personal note, I don't think its the federal governments business what my driver's license number is.

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RE: Income Taxes and Voting - 1/21/2016 3:39:11 PM

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Unless I missread it, which is a possibility, it said that the IRS wanted it to cut down on filing fraud.

Appears it could be a state requirement https://www.irs.gov/Individuals/New-Security-Safeguards where IRS is used interchangeably.

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Why am I being asked for my driver’s license number?

In an effort to better protect you from identity thieves, some states will be trying new approaches. Some states may ask for additional identification information, such as your driver’s license number, when you are preparing your state tax return. This will be another layer of protection because identity thieves may already have your name and Social Security number, but perhaps not your driver’s license number. States requesting this information have the ability to match driver’s license information and other identifying records to help confirm your identity. You do not need a driver’s license number to file your federal tax return.

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RE: Income Taxes and Voting - 1/21/2016 3:42:01 PM

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H&R Block is requiring a photo ID. It is a requirement to prevent people from filing false returns and getting someone else's refund. If a person doesn't have a driver's license, there is a long list of acceptable alternatives, passport, work id, etc. If a person doesn't have photo id, 2 non photo items are acceptable, one is motor vehicle registration and off the top of my head I can't think of the others.

I could be wrong, but it is my understanding that a drivers license or some other sort of identifier such as a pin number from your last years return is required to file with most e-filings.

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RE: Income Taxes and Voting - 1/21/2016 3:42:46 PM

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ah---state level, makes more sense...

but even then, I can imagine tons of people without driver's licenses or state ID's---going to be lots of complaints.

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RE: Income Taxes and Voting - 1/21/2016 3:44:44 PM

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yeah, so that speaks to the professional preparer it seems and not the individual doing his own paper forms.

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RE: Income Taxes and Voting - 1/21/2016 4:15:39 PM

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I used the disk that I get every year from H&R Block. No I didn't have to send a copy of my ID with my taxes, just the info.

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RE: Income Taxes and Voting - 1/21/2016 11:03:32 PM

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theres a lot of people filing fraudulent returns to get the tax return.

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RE: Income Taxes and Voting - 1/21/2016 11:37:38 PM

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Such fraudulent returns have been going on since over-withholding began. I simply don't use such organizations as H & R Block. Never have needed them.

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RE: Income Taxes and Voting - 1/22/2016 8:14:52 PM

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I just gotta tellya about the case of Michael Rodent. (not his real name)

This is from a newspaper many decades ago though they probably got it from the wire. This guy was getting the blank W-2 forms and filing income tax returns in a whole bunch of names. He got the IRS for many thousands of dollars, hundreds of thousands. Back then, I guess the records were not always on time and the computers were, well not what we have today.

I can't believe I can actually substantiate this somewhat :

https://books.google.com/books?id=p-MAtoCG74EC&pg=PA34&lpg=PA34&dq=michael+rodent+irs&source=bl&ots=7CS3cUhl9u&sig=KvnQAwD3Lqcpzb5qIkgfbEscCHs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjDopSXhL_KAhXG7SYKHce4DX8Q6AEIJTAB#v=onepage&q=michael%20rodent%20irs&f=false

I am not reading that whole thing and the link goes directly to the page which mentions our favorite leader of the Mouseketeers. But I bet it leaves out one thing we thought was totally hilarious. The local article said that they did of course eventually bust him. (none of this could happen today) He wound up in the federal pen of course.

While there, he was at it again. Rules in prison vary on what is allowed in and not, but for the most part if it comes from a company it is more likely to get in. Well in this case, it was from an office supply store, and it was more W-2s and W-1040s. Well he was back in business again, though he probably couldn't get the checks cashed in prison, he still filed the fraudulent returns.

So they catch him AGAIN, while in prison doing this and at his trial his lawyer says "Well you might as well release him because you are obviously not rehabilitating him".

I also knew someone who almost bought a bar on welfare. It was just a matter of having the W-1040s. The bank would accept them as proof of income. He filed on X amount for the last few years and the loan got approved. There were other problems but the loan got approved. Now get this, when you apply for a loan, you are not under oath. If you lie, and make the payments there is not a damnthing they can do to you. However, if you do not make that FIRST payment at least, you can be charged with fraud.

The IRS has responded to this by requiring alot of record keeping and data entry. The data are entered for each SSN each quarter. If you file claiming $300,000 in income and they see nothing for the first three quarters of the tax year it puts up red flags. Also, banks have responded by making you get the official IRS form, which ONLY YOU can get, but requiring you to submit it to them. I would bet that they also require a notarized statement that the report is actually from the IRS. Bottom line, many many years ago I forged a few of those with software and a good LASER printer. But the IRS is not allowed to divulge that information unless it comes through you somehow.

(ETA: they MIGHT just make you open the envelope in front of them in the office instead of an affidavit these days, it wouild work fine)

If you are being investigated by the IRS and they tell anyone else, they have a $100,000 fine per instance which is paid directly to you. A while back a guy won against them and they were found guilty on 13 counts, which got him a cool million three. I suppose the three went to his lawyer, but he still netted around a cool million.

Tell you what though, the IRS does this by mail, there is no ID involved. Tax companies often give advance refunds and sometimes might (have) cashed the check(s) for the customer. Bottom line, try to cash the refund check ANYWHERE without ID.

There are places to cash checks without ID. They require a few other things, pieces of recent mail, preferably utility bills or something like that - and a thumbprint. They take it on that white Scotch type tape and attach it directly to the check in front of a camera.

And now, there are no third party endorsements on most government checks including income tax refunds. That means no more just getting anyone to cash them. Michael Rodent would sure be out of business eh ?

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