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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Drudge is as conservative as they come, as partisan as the daily kos...
Is it a viewer poll or a legitimate one.
I see its closed, but there is no link to any methodology?
I trust online polls as much as I trust three year old condoms.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


I've heard Drudge described as a "conservative" news sheet, and his polls dismissed as biased. But that only makes this result more interesting. With over a million votes tallied, Sanders collected an amazing 29.69% to beat Cruz for second place behind Trump's 36.05%.

If Drudge's readership is conservative, they're a strange bunch.

Drudge Super Poll

K.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Drudge is as conservative as they come, as partisan as the daily kos...

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Drudge?
A pol on dems.....
Snickets

Tim Groseclose, a Political Science and Economics professor at UCLA who invested years developing a quantitative measure of bias in the media, would not agree with your "snickets".

According to my analysis, the Drudge Report is approximately the most fair, balanced, and centrist news outlet in the United States. Yet, the overwhelming majority of media commentators claim that it has a conservative bias... Groseclose determines that Drudge, on a conservative to liberal scale of 0-100, with 50 being centrist, actually leans a bit left of center with a score of 60.4. The reason: Drudge mostly links to the sites of the mainstream media, with just a few written by Matt Drudge himself. "Since these links come from a broad mix of media outlets, and since the news in general is left-leaning, it should not be surprising that the slant quotient of the Drudge Report leans left," he writes ~U.S.News and World Report

K.

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ORIGINAL: lamale
All polls are increasingly rubbish, except for Internet polls, which have always been utter trash, easy to manipulate. The sample rates on non-Internet polls are too low because people don't answer their cell phones willingly the way they used to answer their landlines, and because they have discovered the sport in lying to pollsters when they do, punishing them for their intrusiveness.

I present as evidence recent elections in the two countries that most strongly resemble us - not in the way their government works, since both are parliamentary systems - in the way their people are similar to us culturally and economically.

In both England (where the conservatives ran the table) and Canada (where the liberals did the same), the polls right up to election day called it too close to call. Yet one party simply dominated (so to speak) in both places, much to the surprise of those who paid for and paid attention to those polls.

Also, keep in mind that Mitt Romney was so utterly certain, based on polling, that he was going to win the election in 2012 that he didn't even prepare a concession speech.

So really, especially this early on, polls are utterly meaningless regardless of the source.

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no, polls are a research methodology subject to certain statistical parameters that give snapshots of the present state of things.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
And of course we find out that Groseclose is a lying nutsucker. Faux and Drudge being 'moderate' to left leaning.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Drudge is as conservative as they come, as partisan as the daily kos...

you were broadly in on this conversation:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4847604/mpage_1/key_drudge/tm.htm#

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Drudge?
A pol on dems.....
Snickets

Tim Groseclose, a Political Science and Economics professor at UCLA who invested years developing a quantitative measure of bias in the media, would not agree with your "snickets".

According to my analysis, the Drudge Report is approximately the most fair, balanced, and centrist news outlet in the United States. Yet, the overwhelming majority of media commentators claim that it has a conservative bias... Groseclose determines that Drudge, on a conservative to liberal scale of 0-100, with 50 being centrist, actually leans a bit left of center with a score of 60.4. The reason: Drudge mostly links to the sites of the mainstream media, with just a few written by Matt Drudge himself. "Since these links come from a broad mix of media outlets, and since the news in general is left-leaning, it should not be surprising that the slant quotient of the Drudge Report leans left," he writes ~U.S.News and World Report

K.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
And of course we find out that Groseclose is a lying nutsucker. Faux and Drudge being 'moderate' to left leaning.

given a choice between a full professor whose area of expertise this is, and you, im going to go with him.

but by all means comrade vile critter parts, critique the methodology he used in his determination concerning drudge, and then by extension, explain how he "lied" despite what the evidence in front of him was saying.

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tweakabelle

It appears that Mr Groseclose might have an agenda of his own. According to wiki:

"In 2005, Groseclose co-authored an article with Jeffrey Milyo, a Professor of Economics at the University of Missouri, in the Quarterly Journal of Economics, entitled 'A Measure of Media Bias'.[4] The article suggested the American media had a liberal bias.[4] Drawing upon this article, Groseclose published Left Turn: How Liberal Media Bias Distorts the American Mind in 2012.[4] The book suggests that all media outlets in the United States are left-leaning.[5] He adds that conservative media outlets like Fox News and the Drudge Report are only moderately conservative.[5] Furthermore, he goes on to argue that the left-wing media bias influences American voters to lean left.[5] Were it not for the media, he hypothesizes that Republican candidate John McCain would have won the 2008 United States presidential election.[5]

In a review for The Washington Times, L. Brent Bozell III, the president of the Media Research Center, praised Groseclose's "fierce intellectual honesty," explaining, "He makes no bones about his own political biases."[6] Brozell also praised Groseclose's willingness to accept peer review, even from liberal critics.[6] However, he was critical of the preponderance of "quantitative mathematical formulations" at the expense of "qualitative analysis."[6] Similarly, he dismissed Groseclose's use of "statistical jargon" as "pure mumbo-jumbo that the layman just must accept."[6] Meanwhile, in the Huffington Post, Terry Krepel suggested Groseclose was "more interested in trying to forward a conservative agenda than objective research."[4] He also criticized the "lack of attention to detail in Groseclose's book that raises questions about his larger conclusions."[4]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Groseclose (emphasis added)

It seems that, like so many of his fellow right wingers, he has quite a bee in his bonnet about the "liberal media". His claim that McCain's loss to Obama was due to the media is laughable - and suggests he has a very low opinion of the intelligence of Americans.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

he was critical of the preponderance of "quantitative mathematical formulations" at the expense of "qualitative analysis."

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.[8] In addition, GMU Economics professor and co-author of the Marginal Revolution blog, Tyler Cowen, stated, “This book serves up the most convincing evidence for media bias I have seen, ever. Tim Groseclose is the leading academic scholar in the area, but this is a smartly-written book which every person can read for enlightenment and also for pleasure.” [9] Furthermore, Steven Levitt, Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago and co-author of Freakoconomics took the position that, “I'm no conservative, but I loved Left Turn. Tim Groseclose has written the best kind of book: one that is firmly anchored in rigorous academic research, but is still so much fun to read that it is hard to put down. Liberals will not like the conclusions of this book, which in my opinion, is all the more reason why they should want to read it.” [9]

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"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, okay? It's, like, incredible." –Donald Trump