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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/5/2016 11:23:40 PM   
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The world is fucked up, and your bosses are fucked up twice over and I guess your date wanted to see some boobies? I don't know what chastised means, your scenarios are so bloody unusual to me that I don't know what to add =p

I had unprofessional bosses who were fucking some female staff, even though they were married. I mean in the working world, all sorts of unsavouries happens. Men in positions of power will take advantage of the weaker sex. And some women, who wants to keep their job and not cause trouble, some of these women are single mom's with fucked up husbands who were in jail, and really needed the job, and it may be one of the rare jobs that gave them the flexibility to also take care of 3 kids by their own, may also keep quiet about unwanted attention and just grit it. I just wanted to stay out of it and not be noticed as a woman so I don't get into a situation where I have to say no to sexual advances and start a war. I don't want any sexual advances made to me AT ALL! I mean, the bosses pressured me to dress more feminine, like they would say like, "You're so pretty, why are you hiding all that beauty?", and they would verbally abuse me like, "You look disgusting in that pants!", and I would smile and be happy that I look disgusting in it, and I flat right refused to wear skirts and resigned. The fact that they kept me on and left my dressing alone, tells me, because I stood up for myself, they started treating me respect. And realise I am not someone they can fuck around with. I am definitely one of the females, they kept their hands to themselves with.

I was also very young at this time, I waitressed from 15 yr old onwards into my early twenties, and as a young teenage girl, is even worst, you get all these older married men, always hitting on you. I learn to look ugly to stay out of unwanted attention, but I still still hate hearing any man to accuse any woman dressing for receiving unwanted attention, I only do it myself, because I recognise, there are alot of bad men in this world, and I can't control their behaviour but I can try to minimise myself as their potential target. I mean, you really feel like an older man thinks they can bribe any young girl with material things and they will just get what they want. When you are teenager, you see that alot, but I was never impressed with material things because I was always a girl who didn't like branded goods, hand bags, jewellery, even offers of travel, nothing they offered me interest me. I don't like any girlie things. I was a jock, who love sports. I'm more impressed if a man kick my ass in sports, which most of these guys are too unfit to out run me. If they just watch sports but don't participate in it, I am not impressed either. I actually don't like men who watch sports and don't play in it. I prefer if they just play.

I worked in night clubs, in functions that finishes at 2am. I was always working till late. And as a young girl, predators was everywhere. I was molested twice at 10 yrs old and 12 yr old, by strangers, and back then, I wasn't even dressing sexy. Just baggy pants and baggy shirt. The first time I got molested at 10 yr old, I was just playing soccer in the field, and some boy I never met about 14 yr old, came to me when I was standing alone, and asked me for the time, and then he dipped his fingers into my pants and fingered me, I was young and I frozed in confusion and disgust but I didn't know to do and I didn't know whether what he did was a crime or not, except I felt so violated. I mean, fuckin predators are everywhere! You don't even need to dress for it.

Second time I was molested right infront of my mom by a fuckin' 50 yr old when I was 12 and my mom scolded me for being the one enticing him. I was dressing in the nerdiness possible way. Baggy polo shirt tugged in with berms, with belt, pulled up to waist. Like a nerdy boy. I wasn't even in a dress or anything. I would describe it like this

The man gave me candy and told me to sit with him in a tour bus. And started touching me.

This is why, I will always defend ALL woman's right to wear what they want, because it doesn't matter what you wear! It doesn't freaking matter at all! You'd still get hit if you are unlucky at the wrong place at the wrong time and you bump into the wrong guy.

Chastise means to tell you disapprovingly. No he felt embarrassed that it was so obvious, the outline of my breast and nipples in my dress, without bra. He said it embarrass him to have people staring at me while his walking beside me. So he would appreciate if I could wear a bra if I go out with him. This dude was American from Boston by the way ha. I don't know if Boston men generally hates seeing women without bra.

My current best sex is European and he loves me without underwear going out with him.

This is what I usually love to wear without underwear. THIS! It's cooling, comfortable and great for our climate. Easy in and Easy out! Most comfortable dress ever!


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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/6/2016 12:24:10 AM   
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Ancient Pictic female warrior, the tribe that inspired the Avatar movie> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7629181/Hollywood-turns-to-ancient-warriors-and-legends-to-win-audiences.html

This kinda reminds me till this day, brazilian indigenous people still live in the amazon forests, are self-sufficient and away from the modern world or modern life. And all the women walk around top less and dance top less.
I'm pretty sure they aren't being sexual.

Infact, because of the heat of the amazon forest, and thanks them not having societal constrains of nudity being offensive or distastefully sexual, they can prance around naked normally, going about their day without men molesting them.

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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/6/2016 4:58:17 AM   
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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/6/2016 10:07:11 AM   
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If Edwards is aroused by high school girls, no matter what positions they're in or what they're wearing, he's the one with the problem.


You bring up a very good counterpoint, which is that a bible-belt politicians' view isn't always to be trusted.

You will note, in my favor I hope, that I have almost NEVER participated in political discussions here, and I didn't take a particularly parochial view on Edwards' goals.

When I was a wide-eyed boy, I believed EVERYTHING a seemingly responsible adult or someone of authority (nuns, priests, teachers, coaches, etc.) told me. Everything!

I couldn't imagine people of authority speaking a mistruth, or a distortion of the truth, or, heaven forbid, them not having everyone's best interest in mind on everything that they do (like I have).

Only over time, I found out the hard way, harder than I should have, that people in authority don't always have your best interest in mind.

As a result of this realization, it was an utter shock to me, at the time, that the words spoken sometimes had no relationship to the acts performed.

You can't possibly have any idea how sadly crestfallen I was when I found this out.

That may be because my brain is wired in a certain way (which yours is probably not).

My brain wants to trust those above me.

Inherently I believed politicians were good in general and that they truly had the good for all in mind, such that they said what they meant and they meant what they said.

I was literally depressed when I found out that politicians lie, cheat, steal, and that they don't always have the good of everyone in mind in all that they do.

I really was (you probably can't imagine how much I was saddened by that realization, and I don't even have the words to convey this lost and disappointed feeling that I still harbor over that realization.)

To your point, I learned politicians sometimes don't do things for the right reasons.
Such is politics.

Instead of politics, what I found most fascinating about the article quoted was that it contained a HISTORY of American cheerleading, from the George Bush days when MEN (like he) were the cheerleaders, to the prim-and-proper skirt-to-the-ankles days just after WWII when women showed up, and then to the heady 70s, when, apparently, the "modern" concept of the scantily clad cheerleader was born (which, pretty much, is what seems to evolve from all female sports).

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Since the concept was always WHAT ARE THE WOMEN THINKING?, I could get myself into trouble by idly postulating that all female sports (such as swimming, tennis, track & field, etc.) might tend to evolve from full-length to scanty over time, simply because we might presume that the women are thinking the same thing in each sport.


But, before I get myself into trouble, I'd need to research if that was truly the case.

Certainly, since HUMAN BIOLOGY is apparently the driver here, one would expect (upon first blush anyway) to see that trend in all sports where females predominate; but again, were I to go there, I'd not only be not armed with years of OBSERVATIONAL DATA but I'm sure, even with reams of data, there would be a rising chorus from the crowd to punish me for that transgression.

But, I won't go there ... (for lack of data, but not for lack of interest ... since the one thing that interests me most ... is what makes women tick!

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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/6/2016 1:17:59 PM   
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Unfortunately, you gave me the long-held secret.

Specifically...
  • You kindly provided the clever secret of how to link safely to a photo through your collarspace mail.
  • Then, for the good of all, I selflessly and innocently wrote up a detailed step-by-step howto
  • Others benefited from that howto (being able to post pictures safely for the first time!)
    Ways to be safe when posting to sex-related web forums

    And then, Wham! Collarspace removed the capability!

    Had I kept the secret as our special little thing, our sneaky gig would have gone on forever!

    Lesson learned.. don't try to help make it easy for others...as the good deed will bite you in the end.

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    RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/6/2016 1:32:15 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    And all the women walk around top less and dance top less.
    I'm pretty sure they aren't being sexual.

    This is an excellent counterpoint in that what is considered sexual depends on the more of the society, such that naked breasted women in most tribes, are not considered sexual in vivo.

    For example, all the little boys in the neighborhood where I grew up used to go to our tree house (we had the best around!) and look at National Geographic and the Sears Catalog, flipping through the pages and getting all excited over what would now amount to barely anything at all (particularly the undies section of the Sears Catalog, which even then, was second in titillation value to National Geographic).

    I'll bet our parents were proud of us that we were so interested in people around the world!
    - Article on National Geographic Nudity

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    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    they can prance around naked normally, going about their day without men molesting them.


    Again, to your point, while they are probably not being sexual in situ, on the Internet, in vitro, there are a plenty of sites devoted exclusively to showing off those African nekked women, so someone is considering them to be sexual (ask me how I know).


    Of course, they also often showed off nekked men...


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    RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/6/2016 1:53:42 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: dreamlady
    There's been some thread drift, but you still haven't made a case for the behavioral incongruencies you've observed beyond the obvious.


    With respect to thread drift ...

    Just as a perfectly symmetrically round volvox in pond water always manages to move in the direction toward light and yet, quickly backs away from too-strong light, this thread has both slowly drifted toward the inevitable classics for many (men are creepers, I can wear what I want, men are creepers, it's none of your business what I wear, men are creepers, breasts aren't sexual, men are creepers, consent must be explicit, men are creepers, the workplace is prejudiced against women, men are creepers, how dare you try to understand why I do what I do, men have no right to leer, etc.), and has quickly shied away from the more outlandish statements by some.


    When you study how a perfectly symmetrical round group of individuals with flagellae can actually move and communicate the direction to illuminate this thread, you find the locomotion method is exactly the same. There are small channels of communication between clusters of individuals, and there are leader cells with larger eyes, such that their electrical impulses determine the overall direction of the organism as a whole.


    With respect to behavioral incongruities...

    Thanks to everyone's kind input, and particularly to the folks with an acumen of the likes of UllrsIshtar and you, including Andalusite, NookieNotes, LadyConstanze, LucyLastic, LadyPact, Greta75, CodeOfSilence, Cinnamongirl67, et. al., my first post-thread in vivo test of the new knowledge finally made sense!

    The situation was that I was down in the valley today, and as I passed the Apple Store, in a high-end part of town, a gaggle of well dressed women cheerfully walked out, oblivious to me of course, but I noticed them, and, as I observed what they were wearing, I thought about why they were wearing what they were wearing, and, with a smug now-knowing nod of my head, even what they thought about what they were wearing and why.

    Thanks to all of you, the puzzle (finally) fits Occam's Razor (aka, the Law of parsimony).






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    RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/6/2016 8:13:18 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: crumpets
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    ORIGINAL: dreamlady
    http://cdn.collarspace.com/attachments/020616/998C9D5C-EF13-4C30-BC09-6A2F51E1D8B31.jpg
    http://cdn.collarspace.com/attachments/020616/5AC3CBF6-921D-44F6-AF5A-6FB7B5DDCF421.jpg

    Unfortunately, you gave me the long-held secret.

    Specifically...
  • You kindly provided the clever secret of how to link safely to a photo through your collarspace mail.
  • Then, for the good of all, I selflessly and innocently wrote up a detailed step-by-step howto
  • Others benefited from that howto (being able to post pictures safely for the first time!)
    Ways to be safe when posting to sex-related web forums

    And then, Wham! Collarspace removed the capability!


    • Hey, it came back momentarily. (Btw, a couple of weeks ago, I was able to upload an image from my pc with the Collarchat post pic file feature and figured it had gotten fixed, not later disabled completely.)

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    RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/6/2016 9:33:00 PM   
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    Hey, it came back momentarily. (Btw, a couple of weeks ago, I was able to upload an image from my pc with the Collarchat post pic file feature and figured it had gotten fixed, not later disabled completely.)


    Like everything here once they switched to Cloudflare, their user interface has been as unstable as they can make it, so, like you, I had also noticed the same thing in the "is the network down" thread, [which, BTW, surreptitiously, they have removed giving no courtesy notice to the OP].

    That's disappointing because I put a LOT of effort into my threads, and well, it's discouraging to see all that effort put in good faith going to utter waste.

    Anyway, the latest error trying to view your pics specifically disavows "hotlinking" (see screenshot above), so, that's pretty indicative that they INTEND to prevent it from working.

    Here's the definition of hotlinking, by the way, which they specifically and purposefully now disallow (although, to be fair many other revenue-generating sites hate hotlinking):
    - What is Hotlinking and why do sites hate it?
    - What is hotlinking? How to find and protect hotlinks…


    PS: We should have left everything as it was, and not divulge what we knew that others didn't; giving out information is not the best policy sometimes.

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    RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/29/2016 2:41:33 PM   
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    Or maybe they were sexually molested at a young age when they were just starting to explore what it meant to be female. And that event pretty much shut them down from ever wanting to be viewed as a sexual object.
    That's actually a good point. Feminism also draws its recruits from the ranks of damaged women who've been molested. Thank you for suggesting another category of women who attempt to use the behaviour-shaming of feminism to work out their own issues by attempting to control the behaviour of other women.

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    You always paint using such a broad brush Awareness. There are always other reasons. Always. And you miss that. Plus, you aren't a woman so you can't possibly know all that is going on in the mind of a woman.
    I paint with a broad brush because people are not the unique special snowflakes they think they are. On the contrary, their behaviour is common... unthinking... and predictable. Tell a woman she's not unique and the first thing her ego commands her to do is stand up and proclaim that she is. And you all fucking do it.

    I wouldn't be able to speak in cliches if you weren't all so fucking predictable.


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    RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/29/2016 5:05:34 PM   
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    Given that it's the height of the football season, I have a question that I have never been able to come to grips with the answer to.

    It's a given that women don't want to be treated as sex objects, especially while in public, yet, it's just as much a given that (some) women shove their panties in our faces every chance they get.

    How do you reconcile those two halves of the same statement?


    Funny story.

    I visited Facebook's HuffPost Women page a while back. It was around Halloween and there was a thread going about gender-based differences in Halloween costumes- how those differences point to the widespread objectification of women and the fact that women are constrained by traditional gender roles. (I think I argued that, in fact, they indicate that men are equally objectified and even more constrained by traditional gender roles. But perhaps that's a topic for another thread.)

    Here's the thing that I thought was so funny. There was a whole line of women chiming in to decry how awful it was that men dare to look at their bodies. One of the most vocal and vehement of these women happened to have as her avatar... a picture of herself, dressed for Halloween in a sex kitten costume.

    So... I called her attention to the apparent contradiction between her attitude and her behavior, and I was pretty civil in doing so, I think. I was promptly called a cunt and told to mind my own f-ing business. What's more, the site's mods immediately deleted the entire conversation without a word. Soon after that, I discovered that my comments on HuffPostWomen threads were being hidden from ordinary view (although you could still access them by hitting the "reveal all posts" button).

    In my opinion, it's easy to reconcile those two halves: feminists in general are unabashedly hypocritical.

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